Dave F more photos added 21 June from 1947 to 1955ish

[DaveF]

Hi David,

 

When did the Nottingham to Derby Friargate (GNR) service cease?

 

Derby Friargate closed to passengers on 7th September 1964 and goods on 4th September 1967

[great central]

Hi David, can I put my picky hat on again please?

The last one of todays batch is actually the GN carriage sidings at Basford North (or Basford and Bulwell)  rather than New Basford which were the GC carriage sheds. These were just to the right of the V2 in the last but one photo.   

[DaveF]

Hi David, can I put my picky hat on again please?

The last one of todays batch is actually the GN carriage sidings at Basford North (or Basford and Bulwell)  rather than New Basford which were the GC carriage sheds. These were just to the right of the V2 in the last but one photo.   

 

Thanks again, believe it or not I knew that but saw the word Basford in Dad's notes and typed without thinking (as usual, some might say).

 

David

[DaveF]

This evening's batch.  Grantham and Nottingham again.

 

Nottingham Midland D11 62666 Zeebrugge Nottingham to Lincoln c1954 JVol2060

 

Nottingham Midland Gresley cafeteria Car M9216E c1954JVol2061

 

Nottingham London Road Junction WD 90156 up goods c1954 JVol2062

 

Nottingham Victoria A5 pass Nottingham to Derby Friargate c1954 JVol2063

 

Grantham V2 60897 up goods c1953 JVol2064

 

Grantham Barrowby Road Junction A1 60125 Scottish Union down ex pass c1953 JVol2065

 

Grantham North WD down goods c1953 JVol2066

 

Bagthorpe Junction O4 up goods c1952 JVol2067

 

David

 

[Anthony]

David

 

Good grief! What an absolutely wonderful selection of photographs that I have only just caught up with.

 

Locos of course wonderful, but so much prototypical railway scenery and so on - and then all the selection of passenger stock - perhaps Coachman should give us chapter and verse on every one! Plus there is the almost total absence of steel good wagons.

 

All marvellous and what a great memorial tribute to your father.

 

Thank you so much.

 

 

 

Anthony

[coachmann]

They just keep getting better!

[Peter Kazmierczak]

I've seen many shots taken around Bagthorpe Jn, but the one of the 04 clanking past, counterbalanced by the semaphore signal, is really good. Your Dad certainly had an eye for a great picture David.

Edited April 6, 2013 by Western Sunset

[DaveF]

This afternoon's batch are around Nottingham and York.  Some are not of the usual railway subjects.

 

A number of the images have small white speckles.  The original prints were on a lustre paper which has a slightly rough surface and causes pinpoint reflections during scanning.  So far I've not found a way around this.

 

Bestwood Colliery J39 64750 c1953 JVol2068

 

I know the next image has been on RMWeb before, in another thread, but I have found that this is a much better, undamaged print and it forms part of a set, now shown together.

 

Nottingham Wilford Bridge GCR Mr Everett BR Civil Engineers Dept Barrow in Furness about to inspect bridge 1953 JVol2069

 

Nottingham Wilford Bridge divers boat 1953 JVol2071

 

Nottingham Wilford Bridge Mr Everett surfacing 1953 JVol2072

 

York A1 60121 Silurian down ecs 1953 JVol2075

 

York A1 60121 Silurian down ecs 1953 JVol2073

 

York J27 up goods 1953 JVol2074

 

York B16 up goods 1953 JVol2076

 

 

York D49 pass Leeds to Scarborough 1953 JVol2077

 

David

Edited April 7, 2013 by DaveF

[DaveF]

Second batch for today.  Trowell and an exhibition about Royal Trains in 1953.  It's one of the first railway events I can remember as I was taken to it by Mum and Dad.

 

Trowell 4F 44211 up mineral c1953 JVol2078

 

Trowell 3F up mineral 43254 c1953 JVol2079

 

 Photos taken at the "Royal Journeys Exhibition" at Nottingham London Road Low Level.  There is an accompanying booklet,  Royal Journey, by C Hamilton Ellis, published by the British Transport Commission in 1953.  It was part of the Coronation celebrations.

 

Nottingham London Road Low Level Caledonian 123 as part of the Royal Journeys exhibition 1953 JVol2080

 

Nottingham London Road Low Level Caledonian 123 as part of the Royal Journeys exhibition 1953 JVol2081

 

Nottingham London Road Low Level Caledonian 123 cab as part of the Royal Journeys exhibition 1953 JVol2082

 

Nottingham London Road Low Level royal coach on Lowmac part of the Royal Journeys exhibition 1953 JVol2085

 

Nottingham London Road Low Level Royal coach part of the Royal Journeys exhibition 1953 JVol2086

 

 

Nottingham London Road Low Level Royal coaches part of the Royal Journeys exhibition 1953 JVol2084

 

 

Nottingham London Road Low Level coaches froming a part of the Royal Journeys exhibition 1953 JVol2083

 

Nottingham London Road Low Level LBSCR Royal Coat of Arms decoration 1953 JVol2087

 

David

 

 

[Oldddudders]

This amazing thread just gets better. Few of the subjects, still less the locations, are really well-known to me, but the sheer "style" of the photography, and its era, make it an ongoing pleasure to visit. Thankyou so much for bothering.

 

EDIT Just to mention that C.H Ellis was the author of the Ian Allan history of the LBSCR, published in 1960. While he was a prolific author, the LBSCR was his "home" railway, being brought up in Dorking.

Edited April 7, 2013 by Oldddudders

[coachmann]

The converted coach in the Royal Journeys train looks like an ex LSWR brake.  The tapering of the body was so that guard's look outs could be fitted at the end of the coach, but remain within gauge.  The bogie is the 'Dreadnought' type, but appears to have been subject to some modification during its life.

Ex-Lancashire & Yorkshire 4-compartment corridor brake thirds with typical outside frame L&Y 10ft w.b. bogies. Probably Diagram 91.

[gresley]

This afternoon's batch are around Nottingham and York.  Some are not of the usual railway subjects.

 

A number of the images have small white speckles.  The original prints were on a lustre paper which has a slightly rough surface and causes pinpoint reflections during scanning.  So far I've not found a way around this.

 

Bestwood Colliery J39 64750 c1953 JVol2068.jpg

Bestwood Colliery J39 64750 c1953 JVol2068

 

I know the next image has been on RMWeb before, in another thread, but I have found that this is a much better, undamaged print and it forms part of a set, now shown together.

 

Nottingham Wilford Bridge GCR Mr Everett BR Civil Engineers Dept Barrow in Furness about to inspect bridge 1953 JVol2069.jpg

Nottingham Wilford Bridge GCR Mr Everett BR Civil Engineers Dept Barrow in Furness about to inspect bridge 1953 JVol2069

 

Nottingham Wilford Bridge divers boat 1953 JVol2071.jpg

Nottingham Wilford Bridge divers boat 1953 JVol2071

 

Nottingham Wilford Bridge Mr Everett surfacing 1953 JVol2072.jpg

Nottingham Wilford Bridge Mr Everett surfacing 1953 JVol2072

 

York A1 60121 Silurian down ecs 1953 JVol2075.jpg

York A1 60121 Silurian down ecs 1953 JVol2075

 

York A1 60121 Silurian down ecs 1953 JVol2073.jpg

York A1 60121 Silurian down ecs 1953 JVol2073

 

York J27 up goods 1953 JVol2074.jpg

York J27 up goods 1953 JVol2074

 

York B16 up goods 1953 JVol2076.jpg

York B16 up goods 1953 JVol2076

 

 

York D49 pass Leeds to Scarborough 1953 JVol2077.jpg

York D49 pass Leeds to Scarborough 1953 JVol2077

 

David

David,

Thanks for those stunning pics in York station - the way it used to be.   Brilliant !!!!!

 

Stuart

[DaveF]

Today we pay another visit to Rugby around 1952.  Remember we have a "track pass" so whilst walking around you must keep your eyes and ears open and make sure drivers know you have seen them!  There was no car in the family then so Dad caught the train to Rugby Central (usually) and then walked.

 

I think the photos may have been taken over several visits that year.

 

Rugby Royal Scot down ex pass c1952 JVol2088

 

Rugby Jubilee 45574 India up ex pass c1952 JVol2089

 

Rugby Royal Scot down ex pass c1952 JVol2090

 

Rugby Jubilee up ex pass c1952 JVol2091

 

Royal Scot 46170 British Legion up ex pass c1952 JVol2092

 

Rugby Royal Scot up ex pass c1952 JVol2093

 

Rugby 4F down ecs c1952 JVol2094

 

Rugby Class 5 45282 down ex pass c1952 JVol2095

 

David

[coachmann]

Coachmann,

 

As there are similarities in overall design between the LYR and LSWR Ironclads, which lead to my mistake, was there any links between the two carriage works?

Not to my knowledge. The L&Y featured the fishtail brake end first so we can only presume the LSWR thought it worth using on their 'Ironclad' coaches.

 

In entry #195 the first Scot's train has a two Period I coaches and a 1935-ish brake third, then what looks like three post-war Coronation Scot type coaches with deeper cantrail. The third pictures' leading coaches are an LNWR corridor coach leading in LMS maroon with two LMS blood & custard 'all steel' open thirds behind. So very few LNWR coaches got blood & custard that LMS maroon was typical of their life in BR days.

Edited April 8, 2013 by coachmann

[A Murphy]

To say I am enjoying this thread, including commentary from David (thank you very much for doing this), Coachman and others, would be the undertatement of the week. I can't help but feel that co-operative enjoyment of other people's evidence, knowledge and skills is RMWeb at it's best. That said, have you considered publishing these pictures in non-electronic format? As I think I said somewhere back up the thread, your Dad had the most amazing eye for a shot and I have never seen a private collection quite as good as this. If you are happy to make them available to everybody this way, that's excellent and perhaps the whole copyright minefield could be tedious, but from the point of view of creating a slightly more tangible memoir it might be attractive? Or am I just hopelessly old fashioned? It's a treasure trove. Brilliant, thank you,

 

Alastair M

Edited April 8, 2013 by A Murphy

[DaveF]

To say I am enjoying this thread, including commentary from David (thank you very much for doing this), Coachman and others, would be the undertatement of the week. I can't help but feel that co-operative enjoyment of other people's evidence, knowledge and skills is RMWeb at it's best. That said, have you considered publishing these pictures in non-electronic format? As I think I said somewhere back up the thread, your Dad had the most amazing eye for a shot and I have never seen a private collection quite as good as this. If you are happy to make them available to everybody this way, that's excellent and perhaps the whole copyright minefield could be tedious, but from the point of view of creating a slightly more tangible memoir it might be attractive? Or am I just hopelessly old fashioned? It's a treasure trove. Brilliant, thank you,

 

Alastair M

 

 Please see post 177 - as I say there it's mainly time, I know how much work there is to put them on the web and how much more time it would take to prepare them for printing.

 

By the way, they are also on flickr so they can be found long after this thread is forgotten - or at least I hope so!

 

David

Edited April 8, 2013 by DaveF

[DaveF]

This evening we are staying at Rugby enjoying the sunshine, though for some of the photos the sun had gone in.  Just imagine the procession of Royal Scots, Jubilees and Black Fives with the occasional other loco thrown in.

 

Rugby Class 5 up ex pass c1952 JVol2096

 

Rugby Class 5 44672 down pass Euston to Rugby via Northampton c1952 JVol2097

 

Rugby Class 5 piloting Jubilee down ex pass c1952 JVol2098

 

Rugby Royal Scot 46169 The Boy Scout up ex pass c1952 JVol2099

 

Rugby Class 5 up ex pass c1952 JVol2102

 

Rugby Class 5 down ex pass c1952 JVol2103

 

Rugby Coronation class down ex pass c1952 JVol2104

 

Rugby net of TPO c1952 JVol2105

 

David

Edited April 8, 2013 by DaveF

[coachmann]

Just imagine the procession of Royal Scots, Jubilees and Black Fives with the occasional other loco thrown in.

Funnily enough I was thinking just that when you started this thread........A golden era for some.   In case it is of interest, that LMS designed TPO vehicle above (M30272M) is carmine red lined with single straw and black lines. Built to D2167 at Wolverton in 1950.

[Peter Kazmierczak]

You can hear the bees buzzing as that Duchess purrs through the countryside.

[DaveF]

We are staying at Rugby this afternoon, continuing to watch the procession of expresses.

 

Rugby from Clifton Road 4F down pass c1952 JVol2106

 

Rugby Class 5 45205 up ex pass c1952 JVol2107

 

Rugby Jubilee possibly 45670 Howard of Effingham up ex pass c1952 JVol2109

 

Rugby Royal Scot 46158 The Loyal Regiment down Manxman c1952 JVol2110

 

Rugby Royal Scot 46147 The Northamptonshire Regiment down ex pass c1952 JVol2111

 

Rugby Patriot down ex pass c1952 JVol2112

 

Rugby Jubilee 45632 Tonga up ex pass c1952 JVol2113

 

Rugby Rebuilt Patriot up ex pass c1952 JVol2114

 

David

[DaveF]

We are still at Rugby but the light must be less good as we are using a higher speed film with much more grain.

 

This first photo has been seen on RMWeb before, but is from a better print this time.

 

Rugby Royal Scot down Mid Day Scot c1952 JVol2118.

 

Rugby Class 5 45391 pass Peterboough to Rugby c1952 JVol2119

 

Rugby troughs 4F up goods c1952 JVol2121

 

Rugby Jubilee 45638 up ex pass c1952 JVol2122

 

Rugby Royal Scot up ex pass c1952 JVol2123

 

Rugby Rebuilt Royal Scot up ex pass c1952 JVol2124

 

Rugby Class 5 45150 up pass c1952 JVol2125

 

Rugby Troughs Rebuilt Patriot up ex pass Royal Scot down ex pass c1952 JVol2126

 

David

[coachmann]

Post #203, the first picture of the Midday Scot showing four different liveries on LMS stock are :- Full brake appears to be carmine, the 'Porthole' brake third is blood & custard, the corridor third is plum & split milk (LNWR colours) with plum droplights, and the fourth coach carries either LMS pre-war crimson lake or postwar maroon.

 

45638 has four coaches in LMS livery behind the tender.

 

The Royal Scot with full British Railways on the tender is hauling post-war built LMS coaches, the corridor third having been repainted blood and custard while the tow portholes were most proably delivered in that livery. The unique roof and bulging side profile of the nearest coach betrays it to be a corridor composite.

 

The rebuilt Patriot in the final shot (without smoke deflectors) passing the unrebuilt Royal Scot could be earlier than 1952, in fact it appears that only two coaches carry BR blood & custard, the remainder being in LMS colour.

Edited April 9, 2013 by coachmann

[DaveF]

Post #203, the first picture of the Midday Scot showing four different liveries on LMS stock are :- Full brake appears to be carmine, the 'Porthole' brake third is blood & custard, the corridor third is plum & split milk (LNWR colours) with plum droplights, and the fourth coach carries either LMS pre-war crimson lake or postwar maroon.

 

45638 has four coaches in LMS livery behind the tender.

 

The Royal Scot with full British Railways on the tender is hauling post-war built LMS coaches, the corridor third having been repainted blood and custard while the tow portholes were most proably delivered in that livery. The unique roof and bulging side profile of the nearest coach betrays it to be a corridor composite.

 

The rebuilt Patriot in the final shot (without smoke deflectors) passing the unrebuilt Royal Scot could be earlier than 1952, in fact it appears that only two coaches carry BR blood & custard, the remainder being in LMS colour.

 

Larry,

 

Many thanks for the notes on the coaches.  It is quite possible that some of today's are pre 1952, though I can't be sure.  Certainly the image quality is not as good as some of the others at Rugby which makes me wonder if they were earlier with a less good camera and possibly some "war surplus" film.

 

 

Edited for a typing errror again.

David

Edited April 9, 2013 by DaveF

[DaveF]

After a short while longer at Rugby we move to the north west for a few images and then pay a flying visit to Cambridge.

 

Rugby 42576 up pass c1952 JVol2128

 

Rugby Coronation class 46256 Sir William A Stanier FRS down ex pass c1952 JVol2130

Note the electric lamps and white headcode discs.

 

Rugby Class 5 up goods c1952 JVol2133

 

Chester  Crane Street Stanier Class 5 down ex pass c1953 JVol2134

 

Manchester London Road Class 5 44941 down ecs c1954 JVol2135

 

Manchester London Road Rebuilt Patriot 45536 Private W Wood VC down Comet c1954JVol2137

 

Manchester London Road Jubilee le 45587 Baroda c1954 JVol2138

 

Cambridge 2 Ivatt Class 4s pass Bletchley to Cambridge and E4 1948 JVol2139

 

 

Edit - Many thanks to Beast66606 and pH for extra information.

David

Edited April 11, 2013 by DaveF

[AberdeenBill]

Hi David -- thank you so much for the daily treat of these fantastic photos.     Can somebody identify the coach behind 45206 and the first coach behind the Ivatt class 2s in the post above (#206)?

 

Best regards,

Bill