RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted August 24, 2021 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted August 24, 2021 Up to now, I've only had two brake vans branded "St Blazey", both ancient Ratio kits built and hand-lettered by me over 40 years ago. One ran with the long china-clay train and one with the short; however, since we decided a month or so ago that the short train should run with two brake vans because of the propelling move to Wheal Veronica, the long train has been running with a Hornby Par van instead. Today a second-hand Bachmann St Blazey brake van, which was a Kernow limited edition, arrived from Hattons. Once I've fitted DG couplings, it can take over on the long train and the Par van will go back on to the shelf until it can be put to work on the Branch freight. 17 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Chamby Posted August 24, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 24, 2021 2 hours ago, St Enodoc said: Up to now, I've only had two brake vans branded "St Blazey", both ancient Ratio kits built and hand-lettered by me over 40 years ago. One ran with the long china-clay train and one with the short; however, since we decided a month or so ago that the short train should run with two brake vans because of the propelling move to Wheal Veronica, the long train has been running with a Hornby Par van instead. Today a second-hand Bachmann St Blazey brake van, which was a Kernow limited edition, arrived from Hattons. Once I've fitted DG couplings, it can take over on the long train and the Par van will go back on to the shelf until it can be put to work on the Branch freight. But... do these places exist on your mid-Cornwall lines? The Par van at least should be rebadged as Porthmellyn Road! 1 2 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted August 24, 2021 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted August 24, 2021 (edited) On 24/08/2021 at 17:11, Chamby said: But... do these places exist on your mid-Cornwall lines? The Par van at least should be rebadged as Porthmellyn Road! Well, sort of... Porthmellyn Road, although the track layout is based on Par, is located from an operational perspective at Burngullow, with the Pentowan branch running along the alignment of the Newquay and Cornwall Junction Railway to St Dennis Junction. The real Par and St Blazey are off to the East through Tremewan Tunnel. St Blazey is still the main yard and loco depot for Mid-Cornwall so it still makes sense for the china-clay train brake vans to be allocated there. The Par van is possibly stretching it a bit, as the branch freight will run between St Blazey and Pentowan, but it's too nice a model not to use. I haven't yet thought of an excuse to run the brake vans branded St Erth, Gwinear Road or Bodmin though... Edited June 29, 2022 by St Enodoc images restored 12 3 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted August 24, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 24, 2021 As someone who has only recently heard of this turnout configuration, what separates a Barry slip from the common-or-garden variety? 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 5BarVT Posted August 24, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 24, 2021 It’s the converse of a single slip. Double Slip: two straight routes; two curved routes. Single Slip: two straight routes; one curved route. Barry Slip: one straight route; two curved routes. Paul. 2 2 1 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 5BarVT Posted August 24, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 24, 2021 33 minutes ago, Oldddudders said: As someone who has only recently heard of this turnout configuration, what separates a Barry slip from the common-or-garden variety? Was tempted to say it’s the only one named after a person . . . Ill be off. Paul. 1 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted August 24, 2021 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted August 24, 2021 34 minutes ago, Oldddudders said: As someone who has only recently heard of this turnout configuration, what separates a Barry slip from the common-or-garden variety? Start here and work through the next few posts: 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Harlequin Posted August 24, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 24, 2021 (edited) Here's a picture: Maybe Peco will make a OO Bullhead Barry slip one day. At top Peco development speed we might see it in, say 20 years... Edited April 12, 2022 by Harlequin 8 1 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gerbil-Fritters Posted August 24, 2021 Share Posted August 24, 2021 49 minutes ago, Harlequin said: Maybe Peco will make a OO Bullhead Barry slip one day. At top Peco development speed we might see it in, say 200 years... I've corrected that for you. 2 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Stubby47 Posted August 24, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 24, 2021 Fixed it for you: 3 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Tankerman Posted August 24, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 24, 2021 1 hour ago, St Enodoc said: Well, sort of... I haven't yet thought of an excuse to run the brake vans branded St Erth, Gwinear Road or Bodmin though... How about Truro, the other one KM produced? Very unlikely but it might have got to St Blazey on a trip from Truro yard. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted August 24, 2021 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted August 24, 2021 2 hours ago, Tankerman said: How about Truro, the other one KM produced? Very unlikely but it might have got to St Blazey on a trip from Truro yard. Definitely! I've got two Truro vans - one for the Truro/Tavy Junction class K and the other for the Truro/Pentowan via Polperran class K. 1 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium thegreenhowards Posted August 24, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 24, 2021 4 hours ago, Oldddudders said: As someone who has only recently heard of this turnout configuration, what separates a Barry slip from the common-or-garden variety? I’m glad someone else asked that question as I didn’t want to show my ignorance! 3 hours ago, Harlequin said: Here's a picture: Maybe Peco will make a OO Bullhead Barry slip one day. At top Peco development speed we might see it in, say 20 years... What’s the difference between the Barry slip and two points close together. Is it just a bit of space saving? Andy 1 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted August 24, 2021 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted August 24, 2021 21 minutes ago, thegreenhowards said: I’m glad someone else asked that question as I didn’t want to show my ignorance! What’s the difference between the Barry slip and two points close together. Is it just a bit of space saving? Andy That's exactly right, Andy. In my case, as you'll have seen from earlier in the thread, it also allows me to build the formation with a 1 in 5 angle and 30" radius. Doing that with a double slip wouldn't work as the switch tips would be too close together in 00 and also too close to the crossings to fit the isolating gap in. Because of the way Polperran will be worked, with road 10 as the headshunt for roads 1 to 5, I don't need the "missing link" between roads 1 to 5 and road 6. @Nick C's suggestion saved the day! 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Nick C Posted August 24, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 24, 2021 26 minutes ago, thegreenhowards said: I’m glad someone else asked that question as I didn’t want to show my ignorance! What’s the difference between the Barry slip and two points close together. Is it just a bit of space saving? Andy That's exactly what it is, just two points heel-to-heel, but overlapped to fit them into roughly the space of one - if you think about it, that's the point of any kind of slip, a double slip is effectively the same (from an operational point of view at least) as two points toe-to-toe 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Nick C Posted August 24, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 24, 2021 Here's a photo of a real one, in Ropley Yard on the MHR - for context, the top two roads go into the loco yard, bottom right is access, and bottom left is the carriage workshop - there's no need to have access to both roads of the loco works from the carriage works, so this save a lot of complexity (and therefore cost) over a double slip. 2 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium thegreenhowards Posted August 24, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 24, 2021 37 minutes ago, Nick C said: That's exactly what it is, just two points heel-to-heel, but overlapped to fit them into roughly the space of one - if you think about it, that's the point of any kind of slip, a double slip is effectively the same (from an operational point of view at least) as two points toe-to-toe Sort of, but a double slip also allows straight over movement without the reverse curve. Something I think is very useful in (for example) tight station throats. 1 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Barry O Posted August 24, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 24, 2021 7 hours ago, 5BarVT said: Was tempted to say it’s the only one named after a person . . . Ill be off. Paul. Yes I am delighted that St Enodoc is building a slip named after me!! Baz 2 1 1 9 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Stubby47 Posted August 24, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 24, 2021 6 minutes ago, Barry O said: Yes I am delighted that St Enodoc is building a slip named after me!! Baz Didn't realise you were that old... 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted August 24, 2021 Share Posted August 24, 2021 31 minutes ago, Barry O said: Yes I am delighted that St Enodoc is building a slip named after me!! Baz Hope you don't make any Slip ups Baz. 1 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Bazza Posted August 24, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 24, 2021 As they say, you learn something new every day! Thanks, Bazza 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted August 24, 2021 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted August 24, 2021 6 hours ago, Barry O said: Yes I am delighted that St Enodoc is building a slip named after me!! Baz If it doesn't work I'll know who to blame. 3 1 1 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted August 24, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 24, 2021 6 hours ago, Andrew P said: Hope you don't make any Slip ups Baz. Groan button is still missing. 6 2 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Barry O Posted August 24, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 24, 2021 7 hours ago, Stubby47 said: Didn't realise you were that old... Cheaky! I happen to be younger than St Enodoc. Baz 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted August 24, 2021 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted August 24, 2021 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Barry O said: Cheaky! I happen to be younger than St Enodoc. Baz Indeed you are, young man, but not by much. Edited August 24, 2021 by St Enodoc 5 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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