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Some excellent shots there Dave thank you once again :)

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Some more photos from the Harzquerbahn this afternoon.

 

 

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Wernigerode DR 99 7232 4 27th July 91 C16024

 

 

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Drei Annen Hohne DR 997234 to Nordhausen 27th July 91 J12110

 

 

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Elend 27th July 91 J12099

 

 

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Vogtsfelde DR Class 99 to Wernigerode 27th July 91 C16021

This is from a colour slide but the colours were badly faded.  It gives an idea of the state of the roads in the area in 1991.

 

 

The Harz network originally reached as far as Braunlage, much of the trackbed is now footpaths.

When I last visited Braunlage some buildings still existed at the former station.  The last passenger train to Braunlage ran in 1962, the last goods train in 1963.

 

 

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Braunlage trackbed of Sudharz eisenbahn 28th July 91 J12833

 

 

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Braunlage view to station site of Sudharz line 28th July 91C16044

 

 

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Switzerland in 1978 today.

 

 

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Chillon SBB RBe4/4. and BDt eastbound 5th Aug 78 C4002

 

 

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Chillon SBB Re4/4ii eastbound schnellzug 5th Aug 78 C4004

 

 

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Blonay CEV Te2/2 81 5th Aug 78 J6248

 

 

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Bouvernier MO ABDe4/4 & Bt Orsieres to Martigny 9th Aug 78 C4054

 

 

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Bouveret station  from ship on Lac Leman 11th Aug 78 J6287

 

 

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The third photo in your post 530:  amusing to learn that there is a place called 'Elend'.  It means 'misery'!

 

Nice pics - thank you!

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Another visit to Denmark, including some photos showing a station without trains for those who like infrastructure.

 

These will be the last European photos for the time being until I have enough time to sort out and caption some more photos.

 

 

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Billum Westerbanen railbus 71 Varde to Nymindergab 13th Aug 92 C17840

 

 

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Esbjerg dmu 4211 13th Aug 92 C17846

 

 

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Esbjerg DSB Class MH301 394 25th July 92 C17007

 

 

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Vojens view north 17th Aug 93 C19056

 

 

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Vojens view north 26th July 92 C17034

 

 

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Vojens view south 26th July 92 C17033

 

 

Many thanks to all who look at this thread.

 

David

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Always pleased to see your photos Dave, it gives those of us the opportunity to see what it was like " all those years ago".

Cheers.

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Thanks for posting your Euro photos, I've really enjoyed them, particularly as many of the Austrian and Swiss pics were taken around about the same time as I visited those countries bringing back happy memories.

 

In fact, your photos have inspired me to take up modelling the OBB again!

 

 

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1044 040 Zell am See 1995

 

 

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Mal

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Thanks for posting your Euro photos, I've really enjoyed them, particularly as many of the Austrian and Swiss pics were taken around about the same time as I visited those countries bringing back happy memories.

 

In fact, your photos have inspired me to take up modelling the OBB again!

 

 

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1044 040 Zell am See 1995

 

 

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Mal

 

 

Hopefully it won't be too long before the photos resume.

 

David

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Hello Dave. I have really enjoyed these latest European photo's, and I also hope it will not be too long before there can be more of them.

But I know how full your hands will be at the moment with going to the hospital to visit your Mum, for that is something which I was doing everyday for some four months before my Mum was transferred to the Care Home.

I wish you and your Mum all the very best Dave.

 

With warmest regards,

 

Rob.

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Sorry about the missing captions.  Some of them may be readable if you click on the image to enlarge it.

It seems to be the result of the software upgrade, hopefully it will be fixed sometime.  If it can't be fixed I'll recaption things when I get time.

 

Meanwhile here are a few more images for now:

 

 

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Kleine Scheidegg WAB BDeh44 12th Aug 91 C16333

 

 

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Kleine Scheidegg WAB BDhe44 12th Aug 91 C16342

 

 

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Mogelsberg BT RBDe44 76 St Gallen to Wattwil 9th Aug 91 C16262

 

 

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Rorschach Bm66 18511 on tunnel rescue train 7th Aug 91 C16206

 

 

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Sammelplatz Appenzeller Bahn AB BDeh 13 St Gallen to Appenzell 9th Aug 91 C16247

 

 

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Hi, Dave. It is great to have your European photo's back, and what a good selection you have posted today - of which all the captions are readable.

 

With warmest regards,

 

Rob.

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Hi Dave

 

Is the second Kleine Scheidegg picture a loco "shed" built into the hillside?

Here: https://goo.gl/maps/RjqaQv14v362 (in the middle of the google view)

There appears to be two entrances forming a triangular junction with the running line

 

I can't remember seeing it when I was there but I was not looking that closely at the railway infrastructure!

 

Cheers

 

Keith

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Hi Dave

 

Is the second Kleine Scheidegg picture a loco "shed" built into the hillside?

Here: https://goo.gl/maps/RjqaQv14v362 (in the middle of the google view)

There appears to be two entrances forming a triangular junction with the running line

 

I can't remember seeing it when I was there but I was not looking that closely at the railway infrastructure!

 

Cheers

 

Keith

 

 

I'm not sure,  It may be a triangle for turning stock.

 

David

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I'm not sure,  It may be a triangle for turning stock.

 

David

I wondered whether it was a sort of "bolt -hole" in the event of extreme weather.

The Jungfraubahn stock has a shed built into the side of the hill with an earth roof so that it blends in.

 

Keith

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Hi Dave

 

Is the second Kleine Scheidegg picture a loco "shed" built into the hillside?

Here: https://goo.gl/maps/RjqaQv14v362 (in the middle of the google view)

There appears to be two entrances forming a triangular junction with the running line

 

I can't remember seeing it when I was there but I was not looking that closely at the railway infrastructure!

 

Cheers

 

Keith

It is a turning triangle. Wiki even quotes it as an example of this formation. Apparently trains run with the power car at the lower end on rack sections and the seating raked accordingly. Kleine Scheidegg is at the summit and, though most trains from both directions terminate there so scuttle back from whence they came, some do run through and these need to be turned before making the descent.   Having it running into the mountain does mean that it stays clear of snow. On the Google image you seem to be able to make out the route of the tunnel and I wonder if that's the effect the tunnel below has on the vegetation on the mountainside above it. 

I wonder whether passengers stay on the train while it's being turned or have to detrain and then re board when it returns.

 

Dave, it's great to see more of your fascinating photos. Thanks very much for posting them.

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It is a turning triangle. Wiki even quotes it as an example of this formation.

I suppose it gives the opportunity to swap stock between the Grindlewald and Lauterbrunnen routes.

 

Keith

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...

I wonder whether passengers stay on the train while it's being turned or have to detrain and then re board when it returns.

 

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As far as I know, there are not normally any "through" passenger workings at Kleine Scheidegg (i.e. through between Grindelwald and Wengen/Lauterbrunnen). Certainly none shown in the timetables, and none when I was there a few years back.

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As far as I know, there are not normally any "through" passenger workings at Kleine Scheidegg (i.e. through between Grindelwald and Wengen/Lauterbrunnen). Certainly none shown in the timetables, and none when I was there a few years back.

So it's mainly used for stock transfers - making sure that seats are raked the right way for example? I suppose that if it wasn't there there'd be need of a turning facility at both termini but it does seem an expensive way of doing this if it wasn't originally intended for through trains. Dave's picture does seem to show it being well used.

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CJ Allen's "Swiss Travel Wonderland" (1972 edition) says 

Among developments from 1948 onwards have been the "wye" or triangle of lines at Kleine Scheidegg to permit the turning of trains which may be required to run from one leg of the line to the other, so that the motorcoaches may always be at the lower end... Owing to limited space, the two sides... had to be carried into the adjacent mountainside by tunnelling.

There's a photo too, showing that the station platforms are effectively on the third side of the triangle, so any through working would need a shunt to access the triangle. The caption says "...triangular tunnel in which Wengernalp coaches can be turned end-for-end."
 
The German wikipedia page says

Zum Austauschen von Fahrzeugen zwischen den beiden Linien war ursprünglich eine Drehscheibe vorhanden. Diese wurde 1947 durch ein Gleisdreieck ersetzt, dessen Ausziehgleis in den Berg als 110 Meter langer Tunnel Kleine Scheidegg hineingebaut wurde. Es erlaubt das Umstellen ganzer Zugskompositionen, wird aber im Fahrplanverkehr nicht genutzt.

i.e. the original turntable, for exchanging stock between the two lines, was replaced by the triangle in 1947, including the 110m tunnel. Complete train sets can be turned, but it is not used in timetabled traffic.

 

The (German) page at http://www.rail-info.ch/WAB/index.de.html says pretty much the same thing, although it gives 1948 as the date, and that at times of heavy traffic, the triangle is used as a stabling siding "Bei Hochbetrieb dient das Dreieck als Abstellgleis."

And that site also says there is no through traffic, as the motor coaches have to be on the valley end of trains for safety reasons: "Obwohl es eine Gleisverbindung zwischen den zwei Streckenästen gibt, existieren keine durchgehenden Züge Grindelwald-Lauterbrunnen, da sich die Triebfahrzeuge aus Sicherheitsgründen immer talseitig befinden müssen"

 

 

Well that was an interesting bit of research.

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The (German) page at http://www.rail-info.ch/WAB/index.de.html says pretty much the same thing, although it gives 1948 as the date, and that at times of heavy traffic, the triangle is used as a stabling siding "Bei Hochbetrieb dient das Dreieck als Abstellgleis."

And that site also says there is no through traffic, as the motor coaches have to be on the valley end of trains for safety reasons: "Obwohl es eine Gleisverbindung zwischen den zwei Streckenästen gibt, existieren keine durchgehenden Züge Grindelwald-Lauterbrunnen, da sich die Triebfahrzeuge aus Sicherheitsgründen immer talseitig befinden müssen"

 

 

A pity that site hasn't been updated for many years

 

 

It's a mine of info on Swiss narrow gauge lines. (much is available in English)

Keith

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A few more photos from Switzerland in the summer of 1991 for today.

 

 

Oops!    I've just found a few of these have already been in this thread, I forgot to delete them from my file of photos ready tom use.

 

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Rorschach RHB Rorschach Heiden Bergbahn ABDeh2/4 24 7th Aug 91 C16202

 

 

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Rorschach RHB coaches 7th Aug 91 C16203

 

 

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Rorschach Re4/4ii 11109 St Gallen to Sargans 7th Aug 91 C16209

 

 

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Spiez BLS Te 15 65th Aug 91 C16447

 

 

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Wengen WAB Dhe4/8 12th Aug 91 C16318

 

 

David

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A few more to make up for the duplicates earlier.

 

Again from Switzerland.

 

 

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Biberbrugg SOB BDe4/4 9th Aug 90 C15010

 

 

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Gais depot 4th Aug 90 C14753

 

 

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Reichenau Tamins RhB Ge66 415 mixed train to Chur 7th Aug 90 C14904

 

 

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Reichenau Tamins Tm22 21 7th Aug 90 C14909

 

 

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Unterterzen Jugoslavian coach 9th Aug 90 C14996

 

 

David

 

 

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A couple of photos from Belgium.

 

 

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Hogne SNCB 147 northbound 26th July 78 C3924

 

 

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Hogne SNCB Type 66 061 southbound 26th July 78 C3926

 

 

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Nice blog. Looked at all the pages - couldn't see the Centovalli train. This is a tram like light railway going from Domodossola in Italy to Locarno in Switzerland. And it is called centovalli as it goes through or crosses 100 valleys... I wanted to check that - but I lost count....

 

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Not many pictures - if you sit in the train it is rather difficult. but the landscape is worth a visit. Especially when you arrive in Locarno - you are on the northern shore of the lago maggiore.  The station in Locarno is under ground - not very photo friendly. But a few steps away was the SBB station - where I saw a really short shunter.

 

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All pictures taken on July 12 2006.

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Nice blog. Looked at all the pages - couldn't see the Centovalli train. This is a tram like light railway going from Domodossola in Italy to Locarno in Switzerland. And it is called centovalli as it goes through or crosses 100 valleys... I wanted to check that - but I lost count....

 

 

 

Vecchio,

 

Many thanks for those photos.  The Centovalli is one of the lines I have never ridden on, but I did have a look at it when I was in Locarno one day.  I didn't take any photos of it as it was indeed underground.

 

For those who were following this thread, and anyone else who comes across it,  it came to a halt in February as my Mum was in hospital then.  I now spend several hours a day helping her so am a bit short of time to prepare photos for two threads.  However I am hoping that as the weather worsens and I spend more time indoors I will find time to add to this thread - I still have several thousand photos to use.

 

I have sorted out a few I had prepared when I stopped posting.

 

The ones below are from the Appenzeller Bahnen in north east Switzerland, which is a metre gauge network around St Gallen, Gais, Altstatten, Appenzell and Gossau.

 

 

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Teufen SGA ABDeh4/4 5 Special to StGallen 4th Aug 90 C14719

 

 

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Gais SGA ABDeh2/4 6 Altsatten to Gais 4th Aug 90 C14727

 

 

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Appenzell AB BDe4/4 47 Wasserauen to Gossau 4th Aug 90 C14734

 

 

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Wasserauen 4th Aug 90 C14744

 

 

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Urnasch 5th Aug 90 C14821

 

 

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