Titan Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 You can have as much history as you want down to the last nut bolt and washer that was used , still wont mean that something does'nt break . Whilst your statement is true, it is not relevent. What is relevent is the risk that something will break, which will be much less on a car with a proper FSH than one without. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ron Ron Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 (edited) For modern cars, paper service histories and service record books are going the way of the arc, being replaced by electronic records held by the manufacturer. Three of our cars are on manufacturer run service contracts, which all work out much cheaper than paying at the time of the service (I checked carefully, being sceptical beforehand). When the cars visit the workshop for servicing, the only paperwork we receive is a vehicle condition report, showing stuff like tyre depth and condition and various other stuff. For the two newest cars, there's no service log book to stamp and no paper invoice with details of what's been changed, e.g. filters, oil etc, etc. Naturally, I keep a file of what paperwork I do receive for each car, but it's not like it was with all previous cars we've owned, where I've been able to hand over to the new owner a comprehensive, neat folder containing all the service and repair records. . Edited July 28, 2015 by Ron Ron Ron 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jjb1970 Posted July 28, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 28, 2015 I was slightly surprised that VW still use an old style service book (at least our 14 plate Golf does) although I'm guessing their real records are electronic and the book is a marketing thing to give customers a sense of comfort that they have a record to point to. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penlan Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 (edited) I've probably missed it somewhere, but over say 50 - 60k miles I would want to see written evidence the cambelt's been replaced. One of our local dealers (GMO Penzance) gives 3 months Warranty for cars less than 150k miles, my Rav4 at 147K miles got the Warranty, but wasn't needed - It had been honoured on a car I had bought a few years before when the gearbox played up. The Rav4's FSH showed the Cambelt had been replaced at 60k and 130k.However the last MoT, issued a month before I bought the car (and prior to GMO) had a few 'grey' areas, when I compared the documents and the reality. Edited July 28, 2015 by Penlan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leopardml2341 Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 However the last MoT, issued a month before I bought the car (and prior to GMO) had a few 'grey' areas, when I compared the documents and the reality. Can you elaborate please? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penlan Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 Can you elaborate please? The steering rack had a leak, not from a 'O' ring, but a hair line crack in the metal cylinder that allowed the hydraulic oil to leak out, so a journey of over say 500 miles could have resulted in loss of steering... As my lad was topping up the reservoir all the time I was not aware of this until about 150,100 miles on the clock, there were other things too, but these were resolved with the garage that issued the MoT. I had the A/C rad removed as it was not in very condition and I don't use that equipment anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leopardml2341 Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 Ah I see, would that have been an mot issue? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Davis Posted July 28, 2015 Author Share Posted July 28, 2015 Well some news from my end. I 'phoned the dealer this morning having rehearsed what I was going to say to him whe.n he told me that he still hadn't got my service history. Except he didn't.. Collected it just now and all seems legit. Thanks again everyone for your advice, it was well appreciated. Kind regards Tony 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium njee20 Posted July 28, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 28, 2015 I had the A/C rad removed as it was not in very condition and I don't use that equipment anyway. You don't use air con even if fitted? Bit weird. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PaulCheffus Posted July 28, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 28, 2015 You don't use air con even if fitted? Bit weird. Hi Not weird at all. I find it causes me to have a dry throat and sneeze a lot therefore I don't use it. Cheers Paul 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
great central Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 You don't use air con even if fitted? Bit weird. Neither do I, I have to work on air con trains, best thing going is fresh air through an open window Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edcayton Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 Tony, glad you got your result.I know you don't miss what you've never had, but now I've got aircon I wouldn't get another car without. Ed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG John Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 Is aircon some sort of expensive, complicated replacement for a sunroof? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Tony_S Posted July 28, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 28, 2015 Is aircon some sort of expensive, complicated replacement for a sunroof? The RAC fuel consumption online calculator compared the cost of driving with windows open for ventilation and using the air con. It didn't mention sunroofs though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PaulCheffus Posted July 28, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 28, 2015 A/C needs regular cleaning*, at least once a year and depending on environment and intensity of use, even more frequently. *by a certified mechanic who knows about A/C systems, as it's a specialist job. Hi I am aware of that and it makes no difference to me as it dries the air out too much. Hence the reason I never use it. Cheers Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Tony_S Posted July 28, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 28, 2015 A/C needs regular cleaning*, at least once a year and depending on environment and intensity of use, even more frequently. *by a certified mechanic who knows about A/C systems, as it's a specialist job. I certain!y wouldn't buy a car without aircon now. The first car I had with Air con caused some itchy eye problems. However this disappeared when I stopped taking it to a main dealer for service. The little garage on an industrial estate was also a specialist in air con. They cleaned it, deodorised it thoroughly and it was fine after that. The main dealer I now use for my present and previous car seem to do everything properly fortunately. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gareth Collier Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 Not weird at all. I find it causes me to have a dry throat and sneeze a lot therefore I don't use it. I never turn it on either unless to clear a foggy windscreen. I've contact lenses and the first thing it does is dry them out so I can't see where I'm going! Gareth 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
40F Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 Whilst your statement is true, it is not relevent. What is relevent is the risk that something will break, which will be much less on a car with a proper FSH than one without. If it is going to break it will break with or without the somehow " Magical Full Service History ". As stated it just proves the car has been looked at it might not even have been serviced Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leopardml2341 Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 (edited) I have my car serviced at dealer because it's cheaper when buying a service plan in advance. However, service before last they commented on brake shoes being 90% worn with brakedrums nearing end of life. Now, having obtained a factory workshop manual (not Haynes) I decided to check for myself and having found both to be well within wear limits, I did nothing. Having restored a 40+yr old bus, I felt capable enough to do this check. At the most recent service, same dealer, same mechanic signing check sheet and guess what? No mention of rear brakes at all. Go figure. :-) Edited July 28, 2015 by leopardml2341 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 If it is going to break it will break with or without the somehow " Magical Full Service History ". As stated it just proves the car has been looked at it might not even have been serviced What? The service history proves that stuff that should have been done has been done. For example if that 90k mile engine has never seen an oil change it's broken already. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titan Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 Exactly. The car I drive is not best known for it's reliability. If the gearbox does not have its oil changed it will certainly give trouble at about 80,000 miles. With a 'Magical' FSH it will last the life of the car. So a cast iron example of something that would break without FSH, but does not break with FSH. If it is going to break it will break with or without the somehow " Magical Full Service History ". As stated it just proves the car has been looked at it might not even have been serviced As can be seen 'If its going to break it's going to break' could not be further from the truth. And I am sure I as well as others can find more real world examples to back that up than you can find hypothetical situations. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edcayton Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 The point is that, whether or not you think a FSH is a good thing, the OP was told that the car came with one. In the end it did, so problem solved. Ed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
40F Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 And back at the starting point what have we all achieved ? Nothing I suspect Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leopardml2341 Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 And back at the starting point what have we all achieved ? Nothing I suspect Oooo you cynic Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 And back at the starting point what have we all achieved ? Nothing I suspect Guy's got what he's paid for... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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