RMweb Premium Dava Posted August 1, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 1, 2015 Sorry to labour the point but the Working Timetable shows no trains arriving at Piccadilly and then being shunted back to Mayfield. For instance in May 1976 4H12, the 01.25 Parcels from Stafford to Manchester Mayfield, called at Stockport from 02.50 to 03.40. While there it was overtaken by 4H05, the 02.34 Parcels from Crewe to Manchester Piccadilly which arrived at Piccadilly at 03.24 with 4H12 following it down the slow line arriving at Mayfield at 03.39. The WTT then shows the electric locomotive from 4H12 leaving Mayfield light engine at 04.05 for Longsight. Dave is right Parcels trains did run into platforms 12, sometimes 11 at Picc but unlikely they would be shunted to Mayfield. His WTT may show departing parcels from Picc unless they left ECS? Dava Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 I'm not disagreeing, but no one has yet confirmed what the arrival process was in Mayfield for electrics. The chap on Facebook was a diesel driver operating DPUs around the northwest into Mayfield, he couldn't remember electrics arriving and surmised perhaps they went to Piccadilly and were shunted back. Pictures show some knitting at Mayfield but stopping short of the canopy and signs within the canopy warning of overheads beyond. If the site wasn't fully wired and the trains didn't arrive into Piccadilly then that would leave just the head shunt next to the main where the loco could detach and then work back to Lonsight light engine leaving the shunter to push the stock in. We're all just looking for answers as no one with actual working knowledge of the electric services has surfaced to give us the facts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold stovepipe Posted August 1, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 1, 2015 Sorry to labour the point but the Working Timetable shows no trains arriving at Piccadilly and then being shunted back to Mayfield. For instance in May 1976 4H12, the 01.25 Parcels from Stafford to Manchester Mayfield, called at Stockport from 02.50 to 03.40. While there it was overtaken by 4H05, the 02.34 Parcels from Crewe to Manchester Piccadilly which arrived at Piccadilly at 03.24 with 4H12 following it down the slow line arriving at Mayfield at 03.39. The WTT then shows the electric locomotive from 4H12 leaving Mayfield light engine at 04.05 for Longsight. In the WTT is the location just Mayfield, or is there also a signal reference number? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefreight Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 In reply to the various questions/points raised by Dava, stovepipe, and woodenhead.... Yes the WTT also includes parcels trains that originated and terminated at Manchester Piccadilly without calling at Mayfield. The only service that did that was the one I included in the earlier table. In the WTT Mayfield is listed either immediately above or below Piccadilly dependent upon the direction of travel. There is no signal reference number. While not discounting the headshunt theory there is also the possibility (and in my opinion the very strong probability) that the outside platform road at Mayfield was electrified for its full length to accommodate arrivals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennyboy Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 While not discounting the headshunt theory there is also the possibility (and in my opinion the very strong probability) that the outside platform road at Mayfield was electrified for its full length to accommodate arrivals. It would explain a lot if that was the case, but the trouble is all the pictures that I've seen show the overhead masts being placed no further than the a short distance past the platform ends. And as Woodenhead says it does look like there is a "electric trains stop" sign near the end of the platform. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold big jim Posted August 3, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 3, 2015 this is how the entrance to mayfield looks today 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonC Posted August 16, 2015 Author Share Posted August 16, 2015 Great picture Big Jim!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonC Posted October 23, 2015 Author Share Posted October 23, 2015 I've recently found a Working Timetable for 1984-1985 and there was a service from Mayfield which stood out as being a bit odd. There's a listing for a 3O12 service in the heading from Manchester Mayfield at 00:00 to Crawley, but the timetable only seems to show times from Manchester Piccadilly at 00:15. There doesn't seem to be a listing showing it shunting from Mayfield to Piccadilly in the opposite (Down) timetable direction. Does anyone know how this service would have operated? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 I've recently found a Working Timetable for 1984-1985 and there was a service from Mayfield which stood out as being a bit odd. There's a listing for a 3O12 service in the heading from Manchester Mayfield at 00:00 to Crawley, but the timetable only seems to show times from Manchester Piccadilly at 00:15. There doesn't seem to be a listing showing it shunting from Mayfield to Piccadilly in the opposite (Down) timetable direction. Does anyone know how this service would have operated? Would shunting moves (as opposed to trip workings) be covered by a timetabled move, or would they be worked on an ad-hoc basis between the signal box and the people on the ground? I could imagine the train being loaded at Mayfield, then shunted across to Picadilly once the evening traffic had thinned out a bit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 (edited) Just seen a post on Facebook on the Manchester Railways group Showing a 1980 cab view from a train looking past the entrance to Mayfield and it is clearly wired. So to finally answer the OP - yes it was electrified Edited December 24, 2016 by woodenhead Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
peak experience Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 A comment from one of the contributors on that thread says 'only as far as the canopy and not under the roof'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold stovepipe Posted December 26, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 26, 2016 Which is the heart of the question..... I still contend it was only the outside western platform road that was electrified to the buffer stops. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
slg Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 just a couple I found. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold stovepipe Posted December 27, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 27, 2016 (edited) Another two with slightly better angles. https://flic.kr/p/eaJFoi https://flic.kr/p/9WP1SL and another - never seen a 50 at Piccadilly before 50036 arrives at Manchester Piccadilly by Suthen Softy, on Flickr 87018 near Manchester Piccadilly by Suthen Softy, on Flickr Edited December 27, 2016 by stovepipe 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 and another - never seen a 50 at Piccadilly before Heres another. Taken by JW Sutherland 10.6.69 D445 on Glasgow Freightliner. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium ColinK Posted December 27, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 27, 2016 Class 50s in Manchester - nice suprise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold SHMD Posted December 27, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 27, 2016 Excellent. I just love the 50s at Piccadilly. How about a 50 on one platform and a 76/77 on another?... Kev. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 Searched through all of JW Sutherland's shots which give permission to reproduce as long as they are credited. The closest I can find of Mayfield wiring is this. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted December 27, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 27, 2016 Excellent. I just love the 50s at Piccadilly. How about a 50 on one platform and a 76/77 on another?... Kev. I never saw that at Piccadilly but did on one occasion at Crewe Works, when locos on delivery from EE were parked up outside the Signal Shop where I was working. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jamie92208 Posted December 27, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 27, 2016 I never saw that at Piccadilly but did on one occasion at Crewe Works, when locos on delivery from EE were parked up outside the Signal Shop where I was working. They ran from Crewe to Carlisle on test with a long train of maroon coaches. I saw D400 and a couple of other early ones at Settle. Somewhere I've got a couple of slides of 50's at Crewe. Jamie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted December 27, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 27, 2016 They ran from Crewe to Carlisle on test with a long train of maroon coaches. I saw D400 and a couple of other early ones at Settle. Somewhere I've got a couple of slides of 50's at Crewe. Jamie 1T60 was the usual Crewe Test Train reporting number. The test train also ran up the Chester line on occasions. The Pway nearly clattered one of the D400s with 60 feet of 109lb at Tattenhall Road when we were covering a between-trains rail change in the summer of 1968 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jamie92208 Posted December 27, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 27, 2016 1T60 was the usual Crewe Test Train reporting number. The test train also ran up the Chester line on occasions. The Pway nearly clattered one of the D400s with 60 feet of 109lb at Tattenhall Road when we were covering a between-trains rail change in the summer of 1968 Going a bit off topic the one they used on the S&C was 19 coaches. It certainly made them sound good going up the valley with that load on. Jamie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpb56125 Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 Found this picture https://www.flickr.com/photos/35476094@N04/8607546802/in/photolist-7nQGfj-7nQKKN-gPU3es-7numuD-nPmgnv-i6tLxF-cfD3Uu-cfD6qm-7nyw2A-7nyiq1-7nLEUk-7nLHhv-7nuRNv-cfD5JL-6wMJDy-cfD3kh-7nQDgq-7nyH59-7nuDzz-4yafPS-EF4fQs-6wkS9r-9ynRgj-nPy412-cfCZ7C-dEomxp-cfCXAy-cfD8ho-cfD4zm-cfD2vf-7JmCUb-e7BVMm-7JhJsK-753HDA-odwZjD-D9fkzJ-rKNj4b-EURSfG-PUNPgP-PR2Z9d-EP7mmV-DZMAzr-vRiEdT-rMLsec-qDCjms-ei3RuA-77M1oP-6wkYzt-w9RrmP-df9QhJ Mark http://www.mark5812.smugmug.com 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Dava Posted December 27, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 27, 2016 That photo from Hugh Searle is a classic find in showing the heavy catenary gantries into Piccadilly in a grey light as well as the definitive proof of 84010 running into Mayfield with a parcels train. Evocative. Dava Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold stovepipe Posted December 28, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 28, 2016 The original question of whether Mayfield was wired was answered by halfway down page 1. The question then moved on to whether it was wired under the main canopies or was it just the southern/western-most platform which was outside the main canopy and had rather more headroom for the OHL as a result. I have recently acquired a 1970 WTT for Manchester, and as others have reported, there were a number of electrically hauled trains to Mayfield, as well as diesel hauled services. The electric services are spaced out throughout the day and could have been worked with just one arrival and departure platform quite easily, especially with the diesel pilot shuffling vans in and out of the platforms under the main canopy. I have yet to see any evidence that the roads under the main canopy were wired, and comments made by railmen on other forums suggest that they were not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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