Garethp8873 Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 (edited) The other wagon besides the Maunsell SR Cattle wagon, the LMS 20T Coke Hopper and it's BR successor have been announced. Four versions have been announced: R6731 LMS 20 Ton Coke Hopper Wagon R6731A LMS 20 Ton Coke Hopper Wagon R6733 BR 20 Ton Coke Hopper Wagon R6733A BR 20 Ton Coke Hopper Wagon Edited November 27, 2015 by Garethp8873 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold stovepipe Posted November 26, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 26, 2015 They do look very similar to the BR-built coke hoppers, with the possible exception of a vertical rivetted seam in the centre panel which is missing from the render above. Apart from the corner strapping, which looks a bit on the heavy side to me, they look very promising. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Decorum Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 Also: R6783 BR 20 Ton Coke Hopper Wagons - Three Wagon Pack. Should make a nice little rake. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swindon 123 Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 (edited) At last some nice big hopper wagons. A rake will make a nice looking train. There where 3 types of Coke hopper. Dia 150 as shown in the Hornby example, with side raves. Dia 151 which had the wooden raves on the end replaced with solid metal sheet. (An easy conversion from the Hornby one). And the 3rd type, Dia 152, in which all the wooden raves on the sides and ends where replaced by metal sheet. Some of Dia 151 where vac piped and one of Dia 152 was vac braked. In later years some had modified discharge doors for working to Pensnett. For some examples of models of these variations look at Post 100 on the Shenston Road topic here. http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/85490-on-shenston-road-views-from-the-park/page-4&do=findComment&comment=1731435. Paul J. Edited correct very basic spelling mistake. Edited November 28, 2015 by Swindon 123 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 If you look further they are also doing diag 151 with a solid end http://www.Hornby.com/uk-en/shop/new-for-2016/br-20-ton-coke-wagon-3-3.html A few weeks ago they requested an internal photo so, hopefully, the interior doors will be accurate. History of the BR Cokes at Larkin, David & Mann, Trevor (1983a) 20ton standard Coke Hopper Wagons. Model Railway Constructor vol. 50 (part 592) pp 478 - 483. Drawings - Coke wood raves diag. 1/150 , Coke steel raves diag. 1/151 ; Coke all steel sides diag. 1/152 . http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brcoke Paul 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennyboy Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 Is that a model or is it the Real thing? *ahem* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil gollin Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 . After the Clean Air Act coke was delivered to local coal merchants for householder deliveries ( but it was a pain to light, it tended to be used after the initial fire had got going on coal - though not as bad as briquettes ! ). Was domestic coke delivered by ordinary mineral wagons, or did they use the larger coke wagons (coke is less dense than coal). . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 . After the Clean Air Act coke was delivered to local coal merchants for householder deliveries ( but it was a pain to light, it tended to be used after the initial fire had got going on coal - though not as bad as briquettes ! ). Was domestic coke delivered by ordinary mineral wagons, or did they use the larger coke wagons (coke is less dense than coal). . No idea about 'domestic' coke, but coke used to be delivered to the foundry where I worked during holidays in 'flat-bottomed' minerals. I don't think a Coke hopper would have fitted on the tippler. I mentioned in another thread that there is a photo of a single BR Coke wagon at Torre goods yard in 1963 on page 22 of 'The Heyday of the Warships'; presumably this had delivered 'domestic' coke, as it's not the sort of area known for its industry. I agree about burning coke in an open grate; like anthracite, it needs a forced air-flow to burn properly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSpencer Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 They will have to be careful filling out the customs document when these arrive. I mean saying they have a container with 20 tons of coke might cause a few delays at customs.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garethp8873 Posted November 27, 2015 Author Share Posted November 27, 2015 Updated the post with the extra information today. Looks like I will selling off my Three Aitch kits now...!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted November 27, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 27, 2015 Updated the post with the extra information today. Looks like I will selling off my Three Aitch kits now...!! You and quite a lot of other people, I'd guess........... John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted November 27, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 27, 2015 No idea about 'domestic' coke, but coke used to be delivered to the foundry where I worked during holidays in 'flat-bottomed' minerals. I don't think a Coke hopper would have fitted on the tippler. I mentioned in another thread that there is a photo of a single BR Coke wagon at Torre goods yard in 1963 on page 22 of 'The Heyday of the Warships'; presumably this had delivered 'domestic' coke, as it's not the sort of area known for its industry. I agree about burning coke in an open grate; like anthracite, it needs a forced air-flow to burn properly. Some domestic coke in big towns came direct from the local gas works by the coal merchant picking it up on his lorry. Our merchant was a way off from the works so he had the occasional 16 ton mineral of it to keep the stack topped up. He had a few places with coke fired boilers. Our school had a delivery direct from the gas works in a tipper lorry. We used to keep a small amount at home to mix with coal to give a slow burning fire when you didn't want it roaring away. The wagon at Torre may have been for loading at the gas works siding between Torquay and Paignton. The one I saw pictured at Bath Green Park was stabled near to Bath Gas Works. Both may have been for use to an industrial user who had bottom discharge facilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted November 27, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 27, 2015 ........................ Looks like I will selling off my Three Aitch kits now...!! I may be on the lookout for a couple to convert to other styles as my present kit-stash reduces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garethp8873 Posted November 27, 2015 Author Share Posted November 27, 2015 I may be on the lookout for a couple to convert to other styles as my present kit-stash reduces. Will let you know if so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 Unlike coal, there's no tar nor gas in coke, these volatiles having been driven off during the coking process. It's the presence of these which make it much easier to ignite coal and keep it burning. Some industrial cokes will not burn at all in a domestic grate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGR Hooper! Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 Nice to see two versions of this as well (judging by the CAD). Excellent stuff... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rivercider Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 No idea about 'domestic' coke, but coke used to be delivered to the foundry where I worked during holidays in 'flat-bottomed' minerals. I don't think a Coke hopper would have fitted on the tippler. I mentioned in another thread that there is a photo of a single BR Coke wagon at Torre goods yard in 1963 on page 22 of 'The Heyday of the Warships'; presumably this had delivered 'domestic' coke, as it's not the sort of area known for its industry. I agree about burning coke in an open grate; like anthracite, it needs a forced air-flow to burn properly. In the 1960s my grandparents lived in a council house in Exeter with an open coke fire, in order to light it they had a gas poker which they lit and inserted into the coke in the grate until it got going, cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted November 28, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 28, 2015 I'm also in the queue for offloaded three aitch kits chaps! Mike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil gollin Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 . ............. in order to light it they had a gas poker which they lit and inserted into the coke in the grate until it got going, . . Oh yes ! I had forgotten that monstrosity. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Decorum Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 . Oh yes ! I had forgotten that monstrosity. . Monstrosity? We had one. I (aged 10 or so) thought it was wonderful. On reflection, it was probably most fortunate that my sphere of superhero operations was severely restricted by the length of the gas pipe! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted November 28, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 28, 2015 Updated the post with the extra information today. Looks like I will selling off my Three Aitch kits now...!! You and quite a lot of other people, I'd guess........... John Two already appeared on Ebay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Nile Posted November 30, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 30, 2015 Test prints at the NEC. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted November 30, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 30, 2015 Two already appeared on Ebay And no bites as yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
45568 Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Some years ago, having garnered a collection of 18 assorted 3H kits, unbuilt and built, I asked Mr. Isherwood if he would produce a set of transfers. He did, and they are still available; they cover all variants, and I imagine I will be ordering another set soon for the Hornby rake! See Cambridge Custom Transfers. If Wagon Essentials, (wagon loads) reads this forum, how about a coke load for this Hornby wagon then???!! Cheers from Oz, Peter C. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted November 30, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 30, 2015 Now let me see, I think I might just happen to have a couple of 3-Aitch kits lurking somewhere following redundancy from a long a abandoned planned layout (I did build most of the signals for it - major Ratio kitbashing session, and a water crane, plus finished the wiring diagram, but not much else) and never acquired enough kits to make sensible formation. So I suppose I'd better look for them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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