Simond Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 (edited) I agree, and have made such points myself many times. Having all axles able to move is, I think, a better solution to having one or all axles fixed. I'd agree that "all axles floating" is likely to be smoother than "one fixed axle" but both are capable of being "true" three-point compensation. It only matters in "roll" - ie the loco is forced by the fixed axle to follow twists in the track. At sensible speeds, and in the case of an etched loco, I think the rotational moment of inertia about the roll centres is probably small enough to make the difference imperceptible, but it might be visible with a really heavy, eg cast WM, body, and it is clear that at ridiculously high speeds the wheels may not be able to follow the track, but this will not concern us. I'm still very dubious about the "rocking beams and fixed axle" (thus providing "4-point compensation" if this isn't an oxymoron) that was recommended for the 1366 - this seems to guarantee either 3 or 5 wheels in contact with the track, which might be an improvement over a rigid chassis, some of the time. My recommendation would be rocking beams between the driving axles and a central pivot for the leading axle - ie a mirror image of my 14xx. I think Peter suggested the same. Peter raises an interesting point about side play. I'd concur regarding the leading and trailing axles, but given the short wheelbase of the loco, I doubt sideplay is necessary on the centre drivers, apart from normal running clearances. HTH Simon Edited January 4, 2016 by Simond Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium DLT Posted January 4, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 4, 2016 Best of luck with this one Chris, Dave. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
N15class Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 As with Paul it is one of those where you must not expect it to fall together. The nicest thing about the kit is the castings they are superb. They look good when finished. Is yours going to be square or round splashers? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 2ManySpams Posted January 6, 2016 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted January 6, 2016 I'm going to build it as 30587. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Stubby47 Posted January 6, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 6, 2016 Do you have enough pics of the prototype ? I cam probably dig some more out if required. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John R Smith Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 I'm going to build it as 30587. Here she is at Bodmin, (in disguise) - A lovely little engine. She has a surprisingly crisp bark from the exhaust! Mr Hallworth contemplates the task ahead. Oh to be on the footplate, cramped though it is . . . John 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 2ManySpams Posted January 6, 2016 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted January 6, 2016 Do you have enough pics of the prototype ? I cam probably dig some more out if required. Post away Stu, more the merrier! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian G Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 I will dig out mine as I have a few around the one at Quainton, with some inside the cab, as I have a Roxey Mouldings one to build. Ian G 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
N15class Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 They were very much more photographed in BR days than in the 1930's. I found very few for my use. I had to use a later ones and remove what I knew would not be there. I will have a look at the ones I have and send on any BR ones. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 2ManySpams Posted January 6, 2016 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted January 6, 2016 Been trying to find the photo of me in the cab of a BWT at Bodmin... still searching... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
N15class Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 The only ones I have seen are in preservation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Stubby47 Posted January 6, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 6, 2016 Just remembered, my photos are in my gallery : http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/gallery/album/180-photos-from-cornwall/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 2ManySpams Posted January 6, 2016 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted January 6, 2016 Found it... Well not just me but Damian, John and me: John about to jump (yes, the splashers are big in the cab!): 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 2ManySpams Posted January 6, 2016 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted January 6, 2016 A few more detail shots: Not much room between the slide bars and the front axlebox. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 2ManySpams Posted January 6, 2016 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted January 6, 2016 And a few distant shots. These were all taken back in August 2010 when we took Diesels in the Duchy to Truro show. I's just acquired a new camera and was struggling with the settings to get blur-free shots. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 2ManySpams Posted January 15, 2016 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted January 15, 2016 Morning all, look what arrived in the post this morning: A massive thank you to Nick Easton who saw my chassis plight and offered me one of his own self-produced etches and was also good enough to extend this offer to include the body etch. It goes to show once again that there are some fantastic people on this forum. My thoughts are to ditch the Jidenco body etch (which seems to have a myriad of issues) and mate Nick's etches with all the Laurie Griffin castings and Slaters wheels. The only question is, should I rename the thread to reflect this parentage? Easton-Griffin 0298.... 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Harvey Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 And a few distant shots. These were all taken back in August 2010 when we took Diesels in the Duchy to Truro show. I's just acquired a new camera and was struggling with the settings to get blur-free shots. IMG_9694.JPG IMG_9695.JPG IMG_9698.JPG IMG_9725.JPG IMG_9726.JPG IMG_9727.JPG Id love to see the big Allen key they used to fix those wheels on with? What a great cash of ref images you have there I'm sure that it will be a much easier build now you are using Nicks parts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 2ManySpams Posted January 15, 2016 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted January 15, 2016 The body in Nickle Silver as well, there's a bonus. Are there etchings for the internal cab slashers? Not had chance to have a good look yet but first impressions are very good. The metal is thicker, so I won't have the problem with the flimsy half etched cab, and it's nickel silver too, which is much nicer to work with. If the internal cab splashers aren't there they should be easy enough to make. Nick does say there are two bits missing - the cab roof and one extra bulkhead former - but again neither will cause any problem. Not sure I'm looking forward to rolling the boiler though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Donw Posted January 15, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 15, 2016 You are a lucky man. Is there a club near you with a decent set of rollers? Don Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 2ManySpams Posted January 15, 2016 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted January 15, 2016 You are a lucky man. Is there a club near you with a decent set of rollers? Don Not sure to be honest Don. I have had another generous offer of some rolling if I'm able to get to Stafford show in a few weeks. (thanks Pete) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium DLT Posted January 15, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 15, 2016 I shall follow this with interest, and probably pinch your photos as well. I have a Westward 4mm scale whitemetal Beattie to build. One day... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicktoix Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 The internal splashers are next to the cab front/rear Nick 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 2ManySpams Posted January 15, 2016 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted January 15, 2016 The internal splashers are next to the cab front/rear Nick Thanks Nick, I was going to have a good look this evening but I'm unexpectedly away from home. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
N15class Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 Almost enough parts to make two thirds of the Wadebridge fleet. That will make 4 on the RMweb BWT thread. I will watch with interest to see if mine needs a trip to Eastliegh for a rebuild. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 2ManySpams Posted February 5, 2016 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted February 5, 2016 You know I said I wouldn't start the kit yet?.... 7 parts now cut out: I'm now ready to go to Stafford show tomorrow. I'll hopefully find the ever helpful Mr Harvey and his rollers. Flat bits go in, curved bits come out. That's the idea anyway. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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