David Todd Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 The Class 66s. Today. P1270514 by ferriesdover, on Flickr P1270502 by ferriesdover, on Flickr P1270496 by ferriesdover, on Flickr P1270489 by ferriesdover, on Flickr P1270485 by ferriesdover, on Flickr P1270483 by ferriesdover, on Flickr P1270482 by ferriesdover, on Flickr P1270479 by ferriesdover, on Flickr P1270457 by ferriesdover, on Flickr P1270501 by ferriesdover, on Flickr 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Todd Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 Am out of camera batteries, so, these are the last photos,tonight. P1270519 by ferriesdover, on Flickr P1270521 by ferriesdover, on Flickr P1270529 by ferriesdover, on Flickr P1270533 by ferriesdover, on Flickr P1270537 by ferriesdover, on Flickr P1270550 by ferriesdover, on Flickr P1270551 by ferriesdover, on Flickr P1270555 by ferriesdover, on Flickr P1270559 by ferriesdover, on Flickr P1270570 by ferriesdover, on Flickr P1270581 by ferriesdover, on Flickr P1270575 by ferriesdover, on Flickr 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 Curious; they're bringing in what looks like fine sub-base, and taking out the mixture of ballast and ash. I wonder what they're going to do next? Does anyone know if the trains are being worked by Freightliner or GBRf? I know the locos are branded 'Freightliner', but wondered if GBRf had hired them. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmsforever Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 Every time I see those tracked vehicles I expect to see a squad of Royal Marines jump out or a group of artic explorers get out they are very useful ,I to wonder what the new surface is for and also how are the cracks going to be repaired? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bon Accord Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 Every time I see those tracked vehicles I expect to see a squad of Royal Marines jump out or a group of artic explorers get out they are very useful ,I to wonder what the new surface is for and also how are the cracks going to be repaired? I was wondering if the contractor had got it cheap from the Army, as they certainly have a few different incarnations of that type of vehicle - known as a BV206. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Todd Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 Footage of Dover Town Yard and Folkestone Harbour branch. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=I4Od3VCQbk0 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium uax6 Posted February 4, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 4, 2016 It appears that NR are scouring the local papers and the internet for info on this section of railway, as they have inherited very little information about the works that were carried out in the '20's to fill the tressels in. I wonder if they have stumbled across this thread yet...... Andy G 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Todd Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 Evening. For the record the train left DP at 20.27, nearly an hour early. That's the trouble with engineers trains out of possessions. Cheers Andy Howard. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Todd Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 It appears that NR are scouring the local papers and the internet for info on this section of railway, as they have inherited very little information about the works that were carried out in the '20's to fill the tressels in. I wonder if they have stumbled across this thread yet...... Andy G Thanks, It has taken me 8. Years,to glean articles/snippets & photos. No one has written and definitive book,of Dover and its Railways,chronologically. There was lot going on Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Todd Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 (edited) Am presuming, that the orange cable ducting,seen running the full length, at the bottom Of the cliffs, are "temporary ", cables for detecting and signalling circuits. Other point of I note, is the lack of line side fencing at the base of the cliffs,to protect the line from chalk/vegetation land slip. Presumably,confidence is high in this area,due to the fact,that most of the cliff slope,was largely man made. Over the last couple of years, the section from Folkestone East, to Samphire Hoe/Western entrance of Shakespeare Tunnel,has been doubled fenced. With cables,that if cut by a chalk fall set signals to red/danger. The actual railway boundary fence line is adjacent to a public footpath,atop of the cliff. Starting opposite the Megger building off the roundabout of the A20,leading to Folkestone. A walkable,foot way,part of the Saxon Way, unkempt,safe from large volumes of traffic,reasonably intact 1950/60s concrete post and mesh fencing. Half mile or so later,you reach the entrance which would lead you down concrete stairs to the footbridge,over the rail lines and on to the beach. Either side of the stairs entrance is modernist fencing. Continuing with the path,starts the gentle rise to the top of Shakespeare Cliff. To the right,is a sloped path,which takes you down to the subway,under The A20 and out on to a bus stop, On the Aycliffe estate Continuing up the rise, the fence is still there,but,covered in years of hawthorn and ivy growth,on the right, Is a myriad of well tended allotment 's, to the top of the cliff, the allotment s, once owned by the railway company. The path now zig zag's,it is constructed from concrete,from the start of its rise,almost,to the very top. On the way up, there are four wooden benches,many years old,spaced at various intervals. All in reasonable condition weathered over the years, here you can rest awhile and take in the views. There are,in certain sections,a patchwork of repairs,between vegetation ,heavy gauge mesh,above the tunnel mouths,on the edge of the path, looks very secure, but would not like to test it,with my body weight Of 10.5 stone. All in all,worth the stroll up,to have my lunch,on the top bench and watch this crazy world go by, With the company of gulls,Ravens, helicopters,ships, F15s and sometimes,trains. Sheakespeare wrote about it,in King Lear,hence the cliffs name,also Dickens,wrote and loved the place,a frequent visitor to Dover. Such is the rich history of Dover. Edited February 4, 2016 by David Todd 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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David Todd Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 This morning, awake at 0330. Jumped the 1005 bus,out of town, seven minutes later, walking the slope,nearly to the top. This, is where I sit and have lunch sometimes, and take the higher level photos. , but not today. P1270731 by ferriesdover, on Flickr P1270734 by ferriesdover, on Flickr Turn 180 degrees, there is the top of the cliff. P1270733 by ferriesdover, on Flickr P1270737 by ferriesdover, on Flickr P1270741 by ferriesdover, on Flickr P1270743 by ferriesdover, on Flickr Explorations behind this wall yesterday. P1270706 by ferriesdover, on Flickr P1270707 by ferriesdover, on Flickr I was on the 1036,bus to return home, not alot going on, tide has just started to fall. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted February 4, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 4, 2016 (edited) Low flying helicopters and ship's, while having lunch at the top of Shakey cliff. P1270667 by ferriesdover, on Flickr P1270674 by ferriesdover, on Flickr P1270684 by ferriesdover, on Flickr The helicopters would appear to be making a farewell flight as the RN's last SAR squadron (771) is disbanded today) Edited February 4, 2016 by The Stationmaster Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted February 4, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 4, 2016 (edited) It appears that NR are scouring the local papers and the internet for info on this section of railway, as they have inherited very little information about the works that were carried out in the '20's to fill the tressels in. I wonder if they have stumbled across this thread yet...... Andy G I wonder if they've tried the NRM (although a lot of their stuff is alas not properly sorted or catalogued). A former colleague of mine was working ona Transmark project in Egypt and Egyptian Railways didn'y have teh information he needed - but he found it in the railway museum and borrowed from there! I wonder too if NR and co have tried looking in contemporaneous magazines - works like those would almost certainly have been covered in 'The Railway Magazine' and 'Railway Gazette' The following might help them - RM October 1940 Vol 86, p 520 Chalk falls between Folkestone & Dover j Edited February 4, 2016 by The Stationmaster 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 I was wondering if the contractor had got it cheap from the Army, as they certainly have a few different incarnations of that type of vehicle - known as a BV206. I do like those little articulated units; one with a flat-bed trailer would be really useful in the vineyard. Driving it to Beaujolais would be another matter, though. Quite a few ex-military vehicles end up in civil engineering; geotechnical drilling rigs often use 4x4 Bedfords of various types. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Todd Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 (edited) Periscope on the right? No idea why, but I find these kinds of projects fascinating, despite having no connection with the area. Keep up the good work, much appreciated! Nice Try ! . But,no, At the bottom of the map, centre. It's is Bulwark Rock Warning Buoy, on a stick. Edited February 4, 2016 by David Todd 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Todd Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 Here are some photos, I did not get to upload yesterday. P1270655 by ferriesdover, on Flickr P1270585 by ferriesdover, on Flickr P1270609 by ferriesdover, on Flickr P1270620 by ferriesdover, on Flickr P1270591 by ferriesdover, on Flickr Hmm, unsure about this one. Maybe more pilling is going to the right ? P1270599 by ferriesdover, on Flickr 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Todd Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 (edited) I see Derek,has been brought out to play yesterday. Now, Where did Janet & John go ? Obviously,the BBc World Service,is not on the Fav. Playlist.Have they not heard ?Once the Iranians,flood the market,with their oil barrels'.You will be getting petrol for free. P1270600 by ferriesdover, on Flickr Edited February 4, 2016 by David Todd 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Todd Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 (edited) Here, in this video,@ time 3mins 50secs, is action in the Dover Town Yard. http://youtu.be/I4Od3VCQbk0 Edited February 4, 2016 by David Todd 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmsforever Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 The RAF and Navy air sea rescue squadrons are being replaced by helicopters operated by Bristows on behalf of the Coast Guard service with brand new helicopters and crewed mostly by the ex service personnel who flew for the MOD.Must be a problem trying to find the info needed did not Railtrack dump loads of info as irrelavent to their requirements?Maybe they should go to the NRM but surely the trestle formation should be dug out as a start then the whole area backfilled with concrete and gravel? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Todd Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 (edited) The RAF and Navy air sea rescue squadrons are being replaced by helicopters operated by Bristows on behalf of the Coast Guard service with brand new helicopters and crewed mostly by the ex service personnel who flew for the MOD.Must be a problem trying to find the info needed did not Railtrack dump loads of info as irrelavent to their requirements?Maybe they should go to the NRM but surely the trestle formation should be dug out as a start then the whole area backfilled with concrete and gravel? I did this hear, a couple of weeks ago, but with a twist, Removal, no backfilling, but a whole Meccano steel trestle, was one proposal. My feeling is, that it depends on the surveys' carried out, and of course, cost's, whatever the chosen proposal, I should think, with low maintenance in the pot, also. But, why oh why, bring in 2 train loads of stone chipping's and lay it for the base of the track bed;s. This is how, I view your surely. just an observation. The width from the foot of the cliffs', to the seawall, with it's curvature, i am unsure about. I estimated the height,from the base of the tunnel mouths' (or rail height) at 125.feet above level. (not beach or sea level). The estimated length of the original trestle, 2,000 feet. OR length to where the rails are cut,from the tunnel mouths. Height above level where the rails are cut, lets say, 50 feet. That is a hell of a volume to remove, plus the trestle,with the possibility of maybe, chainsawing (or other means) each individual trestle vertical supports,above level. Hey, but I was no land based engineer. I passed the time of day,counting passing electrons, in ship's cable's. Edited February 4, 2016 by David Todd Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium phil-b259 Posted February 4, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 4, 2016 One solution for the actual trackbed is to utilise the 'land viaduct' idea where piles are sunk and a concrete slab is laid on top them - just as you would for an ordinary bridge, except at ground level. this has been used successfully on the ECML where historic mining subsidence was causing problems with maintaining a safe and reliable trackbed. Obviously this will do nothing for the retaining wall issues - that effectively needs a rebuild with deeper and more stable foundations - but if it is not actually integral to the trackbed then it may be an easier thing to undertake. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 (edited) The 'Meccano steel viaduct' is pretty difficult to imagine: it would require a lot of maintenance, due to the proximity of the sea, and the very abrasive quality of the beach material. They could put in a series of bored concrete piles and then lay pre-stressed beams across them, or they could put a second wall inside the first, and shot-crete the existing to give it more resistance to wave action. I'm curious about the mini-drilling rig that seems to be taking samples along the beach itself. Just noticed Phil has mentioned the concrete deck idea as well. Edited February 4, 2016 by Fat Controller 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Todd Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 96 knots, well it is downhill. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Todd Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 !000 hrs. Today. Up the cliff early today, have been elected to do an emergency school run,this afternoon. P1270799 by ferriesdover, on Flickr 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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