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After completing the coupling rods it a as time to modify the crank pin on the front driving wheels to maximise the clearance with three crossheads. Decided to tap the bush 10BA so it could be fitted in reverse without the need for a nut. Once that was done I thinned it down by placing it in the rod and filing from the rear in case I was over zealous with the file and scuffed the rods. Here's one completed and the other still to have the excess bolt cut and filed.

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And both trimmed.

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I wasn't happy with the appearance of the coupling rod joints, having used nickel silver rod for the pivot. I decided a more prototypical appearance could be achieved using a turned brass wash out plug. Here's a shot showing how it was with the rod, and how better it looks with the wash out plug.

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And both done.

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After that I prepared the middle and rear drivers and fitted the 12BA bolts from the rear, secured with a drop of Loctite. The 3/8 inch bolts for the middle drivers were replaced with 1/2 inch to accomodate the extra bush needed for the connecting rod. After a little extra reaming of the coulping rod holes I had a smooth running chassis.

 

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Hopefully the left hand connecting rod will be plain sailing also.

Cheers,

Peter

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Too late for you now, but for anyone else's benefit-Premier Models sell their coupling rod pivots in nickel silver as separate items. They look as good as your washout plugs(which they also sell-no connection with the firm, just a satisfied customer.)

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Hi Deano,

I only soldered from the rear to avoid the risk of getting solder into the groove. I don't forsee any instance where it might break the flange, but time will tell.

Just received some Hobbyhorse goodies from their Reynalds range to upgrade some of tge parts in the kit, add some that are not included.First the buffers and smokebox dart to replace the supplied items.

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And the shifting valves that go behind the steam pipes.

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And finally the water gauge for inside the cab. It's for a 4000 gall tender and too tall so I will cut it shorter before fitting.

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Cheers,

Peter

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No chance of any serious modelling this weekend but did manage a little fettling up on the buffers.

 

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Here's a picture of the water gauge in the cab of the real thing. If I cut the casting at the bottom and then make a new flange it should pass muster.

 

 

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Cheers, Peter

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Next up was the left hand connecting rod and crosshead. It worked freely after a little bit of tweaking. I have also added the vacuum pump and rod. I had to remove the bracket from the crossheads and reposition it further forward to get it to run without binding. I also knocked up some cosmetic nuts to detail the crossheads.

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Cheers,

Peter

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Hi Pete,

Yes thanks, I've got that covered. The front axle is fixed and after fitting I centered the wheels/axle with my "special centering tools" (the ubiquitous Costa Coffee stirrers). I wedged the wheels against the slide bars to center the axle and then heated the brass bearings and slid them out to minimise the side play. I've got about 0.5 mm or so each side which is fine.

 

I have laid the cylinders face down on the Swindon works drawing in MRJ scaled to 7mm courtesy of Tony Reynalds, and it appears that Mr. Ennis has designed the kit with a little extra width over the cylinders. The valves are at the correct width so the outward slope of the cylinder wrapper is a little more pronounced, but not so obvious that it detracts from the appearance.

Cheers,

Peter

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I've now added an extra frame spacer with a captive nut so that the slide bar bracket can be screwed in place. For now I've taken the piston rod for the vacuum pump off, as it prevents the removal of the slide bars and con rod which is a pain during the build.

 

I had to remove a couple of mm from the rear cylinder stretcher as it fouled the frame of the bogie, but easy to manage with the slitting disc.

 

I have added the running plate brackets mid way along the frames and also the half etched rivet detail. These latter parts were fitted with super glue as it would have been very difficult to solder them on, without the brackets moving. Don't mind doing that where there's no likelihood of the parts getting knocked off.

 

I also fitted the balance weights to the driving wheels. The middle one is quite thick and is made up from two laminated parts. On the left hand side the lower curved edge and ends need bevelling, but not the top curved edge as suggested in the instructions.

 

On the right hand side, the middle balance weight needs modifying to represent the cut out along the curve of the bottom edge. This was to clear the rear inner edge of the vacuum pump, which otherwise would have been knocked off by the balance weight, with the first rev of the wheels. To represent this is I staggered the laminations as shown below, then cut and filed the excess off the top edge. The clearance is not needed on the model and is purely cosmetic.

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Cheers,

Peter

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Decided to move onto the  body for  a change and  have got  the  running plate, buffers, and  tanks in place.  The running plate and  valance comes as one etching which folds to make  the  valance, front and rear smoke box saddle and  front splasher sides. 24 folds in all but  quite easy particularly with the hold and fold. Three laminates are then added which include rivet detail etc., to the  front and rear drop plates and  the  middle plate for  the  tanks.  The  front drop plate includes the access plates for  the  valves, etched through on three sides so I added some  shim brass sheet to the  rear to fill the  gaps.  The  buffer beams again are laminates with the  outer one with half etch rivet detail.  The side  tanks require "hundreds" of  rivets pressed out before  assembling, but  go together  quite easily.  Here's the  sequence of  events, starting with the running plate etch.

 

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There's some slight gaps in places at the  bottom of the  tanks, but  there's an half etch rivet strip to go on which will hide them.

Cheers,

Peter

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To get the superstructure together as soon as possible, I have moved out of sequence with the instructions and prepared the rear cab plate. I fitted the look out guard rails, rear door surround and coal hole cover in the flat after punching out the half etched rivets.

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The Dave Bedford grab rail jigging thing was most usefull in making the guard rails.

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The rear doors can be left closed or made opened by folding along the half etched lines at the sides. I've left them closed for now.

The cab side doors are meant to be fitted either closed or open, by soldering tabs into slots in the rear cab plate. I decided to make hinges using the fixing tabs bent around a 0.5mm drill bit and soldered. I then drilled the rear cab plate 0.5mm and soldered in some 0.5mm rod bent at right angles and the doors are just dropped on and can be opened or closed to suit.

 

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The glass for the windows is fitted in hinged brass frames which are not catered for in the kit. However, I have some ideas on how to represent them and will do that after painting when I fit the glazing. I have also punched out the rivets on the boiler and fitted the casting for the smokebox door ring. Just realised this was a mistake as I have overlooked to solder an 8BA nut inside the boiler so it may be screwed to the running plate. B*GG*R!!!!!!!!

I will give some thought to getting around that cock up when I have "regained my composure".

In an any case I could not resist putting the boiler in place for a couple of photos. Cheers, Peter.

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It's looking marvellous Peter. Is there enough space in the saddle to allow you to solder a nut on the underside of the smoke box?

Thanks for the kind words.

Yes there is room for a nut. However, there might be a risk of it pulling off so I intend to solder on a couple of squares of brass, then drill and tap 8 BA. Cheers, Peter.

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I've been forging ahead "Jazz like", with the body work. Well maybe not.  

 

Anyway, I  have made  progress and the  bits and  pieces are starting to look a  bit  like  a large prairie.

 

I thought  the next bit, the bunker and rear cab sides would be quite tricky, but  apart from one or two corrections and a bit of  fettling, it was it all went very smoothly. First up correcting the lookout aperture which overlaps at the front edge, and  needs filing to line up with the  profile on the  already fitted front cab/tanks. I did this  in the  flat before folding.  Here's the aperture marked for  filing.

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Next I made the corner folds around a suitable sized drill bit, taking care to keep it square. The area of the flare at the rear needs annealing to facilitate the  curving. I then fitted the the cast upper corner pieces first and formed the  upper rear panel to line  up with the  castings.  Here it  is with the  corner and  bunker extension castings.

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And after soldering and  forming. As Jazz found in his build, the  corner pieces are a little  short so a piece of  waste etch was soldered on the  top edge to line  up with the  top edge of the  etching.  The one on the right has been cut and partly filed to fit, while on the  left you  can see the  infill piece before cutting and fettling. When the  beading is on it  won't be noticeable.

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And a trial fit on the  running plate.The overlap at the front is too much so that was also marked up an filed back.

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Checking the  cab roof against this altered upper cab roof length showed that the  roof was too long (as Jazz also mentioned) so I decided to remove the  front and rear beading to shorten it. I will replace this this  later to the  re-sized roof. Here it is after scoring with the  scrawker before snapping off the  excess.

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The bunker after further fettling.

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The coal plate inside the  bunker is  not provided in the  kit  so I will be  making this from scratch later.

 

Before I fitted the  bunker to the  running plate I added the steps, grab rails and  handrails to make  for  easier fitting and  cleaning up after soldering.  The kit caters for the original condition without bunker steps on the  side, by having half etch marks on the  inside.  If you need steps you  drill through in the  flat from the  rear, but  if  not you leave as is.

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By the  way, the  instructions suggest using 0.7 mm wire for  the  grab rails, same  as the  handrails, but  this  is  incorrect as the  grab rails are narrower. I used 0.5 mm for these. As I intend to add to the coal plate later I have soldered some  waste etch along the  line of  the  rivets on the inside  to facilitate this.

 

I also prepared the  firebox and  taper boiler part, and  drilled and soldered a nut on the  inside of the  smoke box, so I could  get  an impression of  the  overall look of the  model before proceeding. Here's the  boiler firebox and taper boiler during preparation.  the  taper boiler needs the  bottom edges rubbing down to get it  to sit low enough. I did this  by rubbing down on some 240 grit paper. It took  a while  but  it  was easier to do it  this  way and  keep it "square" and  not  overdo it. I thought  the  boiler looked too long and  marked it  to shorten but  after further checking I think it  is  OK as is.

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I then fitted the  bunker in place, added the hand rail to the taper boiler plus the cladding bands (except on the boiler) etc., and  cleaned it  up. Here's a selection of shots from various angles. I am quite pleased with how  it's looking and  went a little banners with the  camera. The firebox and taper boiler part are only placed for the  photos.

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As I said, I think it  is  starting to look like bit a large prairie.

Cheers,

Peter 

 

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Looking very nice!!

 

I have to say though the cylinders are quietly shouting at me... I think they're slightly the wrong shape and possibly too high as well....

 

I've just had a look at a few prototype photos. I reckon the cladding at the top of the cylinders should almost be touching the valances ( I recall you can just get your fingers in there on the real thing), they might be sticking out too far ( apologies for the analogy, but they're a bit pert looking and they should be more bulbous), and the piston rod should almost be in line with the centre of the wheels, or just above...

 

I could well be wrong, and just my tuppence worth..

 

JB.

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Looking very nice!!

I have to say though the cylinders are quietly shouting at me... I think they're slightly the wrong shape and possibly too high as well....

I've just had a look at a few prototype photos. I reckon the cladding at the top of the cylinders should almost be touching the valances ( I recall you can just get your fingers in there on the real thing), they might be sticking out too far ( apologies for the analogy, but they're a bit pert looking and they should be more bulbous), and the piston rod should almost be in line with the centre of the wheels, or just above...

It does look a bit like the Great Central 9P cylinders as things stand.

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Hello JB,

You’re right about the cylinders and I will be correcting the profile so it is just clear of the valance. Not sure about them being to high though, but I will check that. Thanks for pointing it out.

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I've been forging ahead "Jazz like", with the body work. Well maybe not.  

 

Anyway, I  have made  progress and the  bits and  pieces are starting to look a  bit  like  a large prairie.

 

I thought  the next bit, the bunker and rear cab sides would be quite tricky, but  apart from one or two corrections and a bit of  fettling, it was it all went very smoothly. First up correcting the lookout aperture which overlaps at the front edge, and  needs filing to line up with the  profile on the  already fitted front cab/tanks. I did this  in the  flat before folding.  Here's the aperture marked for  filing.

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Next I made the corner folds around a suitable sized drill bit, taking care to keep it square. The area of the flare at the rear needs annealing to facilitate the  curving. I then fitted the the cast upper corner pieces first and formed the  upper rear panel to line  up with the  castings.  Here it  is with the  corner and  bunker extension castings.

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And after soldering and  forming. As Jazz found in his build, the  corner pieces are a little  short so a piece of  waste etch was soldered on the  top edge to line  up with the  top edge of the  etching.  The one on the right has been cut and partly filed to fit, while on the  left you  can see the  infill piece before cutting and fettling. When the  beading is on it  won't be noticeable.

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And a trial fit on the  running plate.The overlap at the front is too much so that was also marked up an filed back.

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Checking the  cab roof against this altered upper cab roof length showed that the  roof was too long (as Jazz also mentioned) so I decided to remove the  front and rear beading to shorten it. I will replace this this  later to the  re-sized roof. Here it is after scoring with the  scrawker before snapping off the  excess.

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The bunker after further fettling.

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The coal plate inside the  bunker is  not provided in the  kit  so I will be  making this from scratch later.

 

Before I fitted the  bunker to the  running plate I added the steps, grab rails and  handrails to make  for  easier fitting and  cleaning up after soldering.  The kit caters for the original condition without bunker steps on the  side, by having half etch marks on the  inside.  If you need steps you  drill through in the  flat from the  rear, but  if  not you leave as is.

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By the  way, the  instructions suggest using 0.7 mm wire for  the  grab rails, same  as the  handrails, but  this  is  incorrect as the  grab rails are narrower. I used 0.5 mm for these. As I intend to add to the coal plate later I have soldered some  waste etch along the  line of  the  rivets on the inside  to facilitate this.

 

I also prepared the  firebox and  taper boiler part, and  drilled and soldered a nut on the  inside of the  smoke box, so I could  get  an impression of  the  overall look of the  model before proceeding. Here's the  boiler firebox and taper boiler during preparation.  the  taper boiler needs the  bottom edges rubbing down to get it  to sit low enough. I did this  by rubbing down on some 240 grit paper. It took  a while  but  it  was easier to do it  this  way and  keep it "square" and  not  overdo it. I thought  the  boiler looked too long and  marked it  to shorten but  after further checking I think it  is  OK as is.

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I then fitted the  bunker in place, added the hand rail to the taper boiler plus the cladding bands (except on the boiler) etc., and  cleaned it  up. Here's a selection of shots from various angles. I am quite pleased with how  it's looking and  went a little banners with the  camera. The firebox and taper boiler part are only placed for the  photos.

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As I said, I think it  is  starting to look like bit a large prairie.

Cheers,

Peter 

Hi Peter, 

 

So glad you sorted your way around the boiler/weatherboard/ roofline issue's, nice work and a great guide for others,as I said before Bracks did sort his, I think from memory he had the same issue's with the cylinders, once amended the result was outstanding, like you say it's coming along a treat. Great to follow.  John.

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Looking very nice!!

I have to say though the cylinders are quietly shouting at me... I think they're slightly the wrong shape and possibly too high as well....

I've just had a look at a few prototype photos. I reckon the cladding at the top of the cylinders should almost be touching the valances ( I recall you can just get your fingers in there on the real thing), they might be sticking out too far ( apologies for the analogy, but they're a bit pert looking and they should be more bulbous), and the piston rod should almost be in line with the centre of the wheels, or just above...

I could well be wrong, and just my tuppence worth..

JB.

Hello again JB, I've checked the GWR drawing published in the winter 1993 edition of the GWRJ and the center line of the piston rod is 36-1/2 inch above the rail. To the centre line of the driving wheels is 34 inch, so the piston rod center is 2-1/2 higher. That's 1.45mm in this scale so the model is correct. The cylinders are as you point out too narrow at the top and I will be correcting that error in due course. I was aware before you mentioned it but I wish I'd spotted it before assembling the cylinders. If you spot anything else please let me know as it's better than finding out when the paint is on.

 

I have now added the remaining boiler bands and handrail knobs along with the castings for the smokebox saddle. The firebox and taper boiler are also soldered in place, but the chimney is just placed for the photo. The roof slots under the folded top edge of the cab sides and is a very good fit after I modified it.

Cheers,

Peter

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Here's a shot of  the  alignment of the cylinders and  the  wheel centers.

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I don't think there's any issue with that but  the  cylinder shape needed rectifying.  This is how I did it.

First the  wrapper needed to be  partly un-soldered.

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I then soldered a length of 1.6mm rod along the  top edge, bent the  wrapper around the  rod and re-soldered. 

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The top edge still wasn't close enough to the  valance, so I added a wedge of  brass at the  upper part of the  cylinders and  then made another wrapper and  fitted it  over the  cylinders.  This  did the  job.

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I also soldered the chimney in place, along with the tank strapping and  grab rails over the  boiler and the  footstep at the  front of  the  smoke box. Finally  I have fabricated the coal plate for  the bunker.  To assist in lining up the  chimney I pushed a piece of dowel into the  hole on the  top of  the  smoke  box. 

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And the  coal plate.

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And some  shots of  the  loco so far.  I think the cylinders look acceptable  now.

 

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Cheers,Peter.

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