Prometheus Posted June 8, 2016 Author Share Posted June 8, 2016 Very nice indeed, and very good timing as well as you have inspired me to have a go. Although I am thinking of substituting a high level 57xx chassis when I reporter it. Having just found a photo of 2785 at Newton Abbot in 1947 in what I believe to be GWR black (given it was rebuilt in the early 40s after after bomb damage), makes it even more tempting. Now to keep an eye on eBay for one of the inevitable ridiculously cheap bodies... Look forward to seeing your photos. A better chassis/motor combination would clearly benefit this model but I have to say that this one runs remarkably well given its origins. Tony Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RosiesBoss Posted June 8, 2016 Share Posted June 8, 2016 Congratulations for a lovely upgrade. Given the availability of cheap bodies, why not have a go at kitbashing one into another class, such as one of the double framed ones? Details of this conversion are here: http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/107593-gwr-1076-class-double-framed-pannier-tank/ Regards, Rob 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetmorgan Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 Not wishing to knock this off topic but the old Mainline 56xx 0-6-2 is also ideal for back dating & conversion to some of the Welsh railway companies engines so I'm getting a collection of those as well 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted June 9, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 9, 2016 Very nice indeed, and very good timing as well as you have inspired me to have a go. Although I am thinking of substituting a high level 57xx chassis when I reporter it. Having just found a photo of 2785 at Newton Abbot in 1947 in what I believe to be GWR black (given it was rebuilt in the early 40s after after bomb damage), makes it even more tempting. Now to keep an eye on eBay for one of the inevitable ridiculously cheap bodies... Bear in mind that the Hornby body has been "adjusted" to fit their standard chassis so won't match the wheelbase of an accurate chassis. See Posts #9 and #18. John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prometheus Posted June 9, 2016 Author Share Posted June 9, 2016 Congratulations for a lovely upgrade. Given the availability of cheap bodies, why not have a go at kitbashing one into another class, such as one of the double framed ones? 050, 1016 class, 28 Jan 2016.JPG Details of this conversion are here: http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/107593-gwr-1076-class-double-framed-pannier-tank/ Regards, Rob Thanks Rob That [and the early saddle-tank types] caught my eye too. I may give it a whirl, but it's at the end of an inevitably long list of planned projects. Currently, a pair of Keyser Dean 40' PBVs are on the bench, to be followed by some freight stock and then an unfinished Star ! There's other stuff to follow, including a GEM/ Mainline 56XX marriage, the body combining the two and the chassis from mainline with new wheels. Frankenstein lives ! Not wishing to knock this off topic but the old Mainline 56xx 0-6-2 is also ideal for back dating & conversion to some of the Welsh railway companies engines so I'm getting a collection of those as well Not off topic at all. I've thought about that, too - see above. I recently saw a really nice Taff Vale 0-6-2 created from an old Wrenn N2 of all things. Surprisingly, it actually looked rather good. Tony Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 (edited) Bear in mind that the Hornby body has been "adjusted" to fit their standard chassis so won't match the wheelbase of an accurate chassis. See Posts #9 and #18. Might Rich be better off building the Finney/Brassmasters kit? Edited June 9, 2016 by Horsetan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted June 9, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 9, 2016 (edited) Might Rich be better off building the Finney/Brassmasters kit? Quite possibly, but if the idea is to exploit the Hornby bodyshell, putting a chassis with the correct axle spacing underneath only draws attention to its discrepancies. It has occurred to me that it might be possible to cut out various parts of the Hornby body (notably the cab/bunker area) and splice them into a Bachmann pannier. Correct wheelbase and a better mechanism without further ado, though it would necessitate a full repaint. However, both of our suggestions would attract challenges for deviation if we were playing "Just A Minute". John Edited June 9, 2016 by Dunsignalling Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Fatadder Posted June 9, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 9, 2016 Quite possibly, but if the idea is to exploit the Hornby bodyshell, putting a chassis with the correct axle spacing underneath only draws attention to its discrepancies. It has occurred to me that it might be possible to cut out various parts of the Hornby body (notably the cab/bunker area) and splice them into a Bachmann pannier. Correct wheelbase and a better mechanism without further ado, though it would necessitate a full repaint. However, both of our suggestions would attract challenges for deviation if we were playing "Just A Minute". John Both ideas I have been considering, I do enjoy chopping up plastic. The Finney kit would be great, and may one day happen. But for a loco with that many curved corners and odd shapes I want a lot more practice working in brass first! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG John Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 Not a brilliant photo, but a quick comparison with the Bachmann 57xx. There's very little in it, apart from the better quality of the Bachmann, but at a higher price. The Bachmann bunker is closer to the length of the earlier unextended 2721 bunker, which would save me having to shorten the Hornby one. Take the back of the cab roof off, and some of the modern plumbing, and you're almost there. All the big panniers seemed to have been pretty much the same, and there's more variation in appearance between individual locos of the same class at different times in their history than there is between different classes. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCB Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 What the comparison does not show is that the Hornby will still be running in 2050 whereas the Bachmann will be lucky to see 2020. I use Bachman coupling rods etc on re drilled Hornby chassis with romford wheels in a search for reliability. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG John Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 I doubt if I will still be running in 2050 to see it though! Anyway, it's likely to be getting a Perseverance chassis when it's converted to EM, with one of the currently available cheap Chinese motors, although the one currently under it may well still be chugging away under a narrow gauge body! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnarcher Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 (edited) I've not looked much at either before, but doesn't it jump right out how much better the Bachmann looks under the tanks compared to Hornby's wall, so some combination of the two, using as much of the Bachmann as possible would seem a good idea. Edited July 4, 2016 by johnarcher Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG John Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 I think the angles in the photo make a difference, as you're looking up at the Hornby and down at the Bachmann, but the Bachmann does look a lot better. It has daylight under the front of the boiler, and everything on it is much finer, although I think the black paint helps as well. If I could buy Bachmann bodies at a similar price to Hornby ones I might have a go at one. My planned conversion to an 1813 class will probably have rear wheel drive, so I should be able to cut out the area under the tanks and put in the bottom of the boiler. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 57xx Posted July 4, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 4, 2016 Not a brilliant photo, but a quick comparison with the Bachmann 57xx. There's very little in it, apart from the better quality of the Bachmann, but at a higher price. Bare in mind also that that is actually the old Mainline body on the Bachmann in your pic. The retooled Bachmann version is even higher detail and easily identifiable by lack of the areola on the top of the dome. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quarryscapes Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 Not a brilliant photo, but a quick comparison with the Bachmann 57xx. There's very little in it, apart from the better quality of the Bachmann, but at a higher price. The Bachmann bunker is closer to the length of the earlier unextended 2721 bunker, which would save me having to shorten the Hornby one. Take the back of the cab roof off, and some of the modern plumbing, and you're almost there. All the big panniers seemed to have been pretty much the same, and there's more variation in appearance between individual locos of the same class at different times in their history than there is between different classes. DSCF7986.JPG What is clear is how much oversize the Hornby one is - it should be shorter than the 57xx. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG John Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 The overall dimensions of the body aren't too far out from what I can see. The only major surgery required is to reduce the height and length of the bunker for my 1904 version, which also means shortening the back of the footplate. I think the chassis contributes to it looking too big. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium OnTheBranchline Posted December 3, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 3, 2017 Something's happened to the original poster's pictures. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prometheus Posted December 3, 2017 Author Share Posted December 3, 2017 (edited) Something's happened to the original poster's pictures. That 'something' was called Photobucket! The link to the blog still works though and all of the original photos ar in there - just scroll to the end. Tony Edited December 3, 2017 by Prometheus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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