MRDBLUE17 Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 An interesting announcement from Kernow and one that is very tempting. I use to spend every holiday in Poole and can remember the electrification through to Weymouth taking place although I was only around 7 or 8 at the time. The NSE unit would appeal with a 33. The CIG would also be nice in the future. Hopefully this does well for Kernow and more developments will follow in years to come. All the best Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin_R Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 Well it's not that much more than the MJT sides and cast ends and detailing bits and Southern Pride underframe equipment and Markits wheels and Replica Mk1 bodies and bogies and Phoenix paint that I bought.... .. about 6 months ago........ to do one of these...... (b***er) B***er indeed - I've just finished rebuilding a 'Railstyle' 4-TC in NSE livery. It's taken about 6 months sourcing all the bits needed and information on the underframe and inner end details using some pics of the ex LU unit on the Swanage Railway. I suspect the cost of the basic unit plus the cost of all the bits and bobs plus the time scratch building all the odds and ends needed now well exceeds the cost of the ready finished 4-TC from Kernow. I was going to build a second 4-TC but decided to save money and order a Kernow Blue/Grey one........... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyman7 Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 (edited) What puzzles me is why these even existed...why not just make as a.n.other 4 car EMU.. and attach a 33/1 for the dead sections as required..wouldnt have needed high juice 4Reps that way ? Blue or Blue and Grey.. that is the question.. I'm sure others can give a definitive answer but I believe that the hauling of genuine trailer units on a scheduled basis was more efficient then dragging EMUs off the juice. Whatever the reason, the REP+TC lash up is one of the high points of SR cheap and cheerful analogue engineering. Edited June 17, 2016 by andyman7 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butler Henderson Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 Locos Illustrated 184 has a "Summer 1966" photo of D6521 couple in the middle of 2 4-TCs sets leaving Bournemouth for Waterloo - only the rear set is identifiable, 419. Set 416, that being produced in all blue, is shown behind Green SYP 33/0 D6518 near Moreton in May 1967 on a Weymouth with the headcode 15. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Ian J. Posted June 17, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 17, 2016 I don't know this for sure at all, but I wouldn't be surprised if Parkstone Bank played a part in not making powered units, as a 33 pushing two units with power equipment and fully loaded might have been considered too much for them? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertcwp Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 (edited) This is from May 1983 (last carriage workings to include 4 Subs by the way) - note the 1700 departure. The 1810 to Yeovil Junction and Bournemouth was the same. WAT-16-5-83 by Robert Carroll, on Flickr Also in the same book, and for a few years previously too, there was an hourly Sunday working 33/1+4TC Reading-Basingstoke-Eastleigh-Portsmouth Harbour. Edited July 7, 2017 by robertcwp Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 4630 Posted June 17, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 17, 2016 (edited) . Edited November 12, 2016 by 4630 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertcwp Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 There were a number of similar services in the Up direction too. I posted details from the 1974/54 WTT and Carriage Working Notice in post #32. Yes, and strangely years which had such formations Up did not necessarily have similar ones Down and vice versa. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lapford34102 Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 What puzzles me is why these even existed...why not just make as a.n.other 4 car EMU.. and attach a 33/1 for the dead sections as required..wouldnt have needed high juice 4Reps that way ? Dragging "dead" electric motors around on a regular basis is bad for them. Stu Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark alden Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 I don't suppose anyone has pictures or knows a link to pictures of the 3TC sets please? I will get a 4TC and run it as a 3TC. I'm torn between all over Blue and Blue/Grey :-/ ... My era is 1970 - 1973... Thanks in advance Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Moss Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 Really hope my post regarding the price this morning has not been deleted by admin. It's disapeared and I havent deleted it! Even had a post rating on it so it definitely was there! Nice choice of unit but the price is crazy for an unpowered model. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Y Posted June 17, 2016 Author Share Posted June 17, 2016 Really hope my post regarding the price this morning has not been deleted by admin. It was deleted because it was just a price comment. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted June 17, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 17, 2016 A lot of comments about price but as a comparison Bachmann's previous push-pull carriage cost a similar amount. The Hawksworth Autotrailer was IIRC £68.95 rrp. Multiply that by 4 and............ Keith 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kintbury jon Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 I've been deliberating about this one all day. Yes it's not cheap but I can't miss out on one. I have sound fitted 33103 awaiting an NSE 4TC. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 First and last time I'll post with regards to the pricing debate One trip on the merry-go-round is fine, but you wouldn't stay on it all day when there's other things at the fair. The topic of prices has been stated and restated so many times. Time to get off the merry-go-round. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceptic Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 How it used to be. Note the 'Oddball Down' formation, 4.00 mins in. 4-CIG + 4-BEP (Refurb) + 4-CIG. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 It is nice to see more SR 'units' (I say 'units' as they're unpowered...). They do on the face of it seem expensive, until you consider the fact it is a commission/limited edition and the new tooling. Hopefully it'll lead to other SR/BR(S) EMUs in the future! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren01 Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 (edited) A lot of comments about price but as a comparison Bachmann's previous push-pull carriage cost a similar amount. The Hawksworth Autotrailer was IIRC £68.95 rrp. Multiply that by 4 and............ Keith Works at around £72.00 per coach, very good choice, pity its a bit late for me. Edited June 18, 2016 by darren01 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertiedog Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 Before saying it is expensive take a £3 10s coach in about 1968, its value now against income would now be £125, and a range from £51.10 to £145.40, which covers a basic inflation figure of £51.10 to a cost of living version at £145.40. The £3 10s coach would in no way compare to the production standards these days, and yet the Bachmann is called expensive........ Model Railways were always an expensive luxury for most people, and still are for most buyers these days, yes, we can ask for value for money, but I think we overlook inflation and just blaming the makers for the prices is not being in touch with reality. The unit looks good, and covers a gap in the market nicely for lots of users. Stephen. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertiedog Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 Another example I had today, a Gem lever frame kit, original price 12s 6p in 1967/8 , bought from eBAY, If retailed today, at income inflation it would cost £24...... I know the modern generation do not look back that far, but inflation still applies, we have low inflation at present, but it is higher in China, which will inevitably mean higher prices as time goes on. Stephen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozexpatriate Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 (edited) A lot of comments about price but as a comparison Bachmann's previous push-pull carriage cost a similar amount. The Hawksworth Autotrailer was IIRC £68.95 rrp. Multiply that by 4 and............ Works at around £72.00 per coach, very good choice, pity its a bit late for me. Bachmann's recent Collectors' Club two pack of BR Mk1 coaches retails for £134.95 ( >£67 each ) for members only. Sounds like this new Kernow commission is priced very competitively to me. The standard production SECR Birdcage coaches will retail for £59.95. For comparison, here are some non-Bachmann North American coach comparisons with new tooling. THESE PRICES DO NOT INCLUDE VAT. RapidoTrains ... Budd Dome Car ........ US$109.00 ... £76.15 BLI ............ Pennsylvania P70 ...... US$89.99 ... £62.87 Walthers ....... Santa Fe El Capitan ... US$79.98 ... £55.87 Including VAT, these prices are right in line with Bachmann's UK coach pricing. OK, Hornby Pullman coaches are cheaper (with lights), at around £50*. If you like Hornby's pricing, buy from Hornby. Hopefully they'll still be around next year. * I can't tell the exact published RRP, when I look at the website, VAT is removed. Edited June 18, 2016 by Ozexpatriate Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRman Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 Here are some images: 74_Wimbledon_JUN-69 by Robert Carroll, on Flickr Dammit, Robert! You've just reminded me I haven't yet ordered a class 74 from Kernow/DJM. More expense!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold roundhouse Posted June 18, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 18, 2016 Looking forward to this. My class 33/1 will finally get used for what it was intended for. A little out of place on Star Lane but it will see service on the layout. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Temeraire Posted June 18, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 18, 2016 Absolutely fantastic! NSE version duly ordered this morning can't wait for January(ish). Anyone need a Southern Pride kit??? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Ian J. Posted June 18, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 18, 2016 The price may seem high, but I'm just glad this unit has had a release, and what appears to be a good execution of the appearance of the prototype as well. Having one good model rather than three barely adequate suits me. The worries on prices can at least in part be attributed to the failure of the economy in the last eight / nine years. We're used to a gradually improving income situation where each generation has a slightly better quality of life than the one before. If that arrangement had remained in place then our incomes would still have been able to have space for the models at these prices. However, with the economic failure of recent years this has been severely undermined, meaning that for many what was once affordable has now become difficult or impossible to afford. I think that's maybe why this issue of price has remained stubbornly present here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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