RMweb Premium Kris Posted August 24, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 24, 2016 PS - they're on the Hatton's website already for under £200... http://www.hattons.co.uk/stocklist/1000396/1000590/1000640/1446724/Dapol_O_Gauge_1_43_Scale_Steam_locos_UK_rail_era_3_The_Big_Four_LMS_GWR_LNER_SR_1923_1947_1923_1947/prodlist.aspx I wouldn't trust any pre order price given by Hatton's, they are not worth the pixels they are used to display them. I wonder if the 64xx could be cheaper but there may have been a thought that if the price was cut too far it would devalue the brand. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frobisher Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 I wonder why the price difference between two models, that are on the face of it, very similar in specification? Or is there something I'm missing about the Dapol 57xx that allows it to be cheaper? It might well be where they are made or where the tooling was originally made. The Lionheart tooling may need modification to work at Dapol's manufacturer in the far east so that cost may be reflected in the price difference, whereas the new Dapol tooling was made with that plant in mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianthesnail96 Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 They do say that further Ex-Lionheart releases will be announced soon so I wonder if the small prairie is on the cards! Willy The merger announcement suggested that Dapol were taking on the "plastic" models (there's actually quite a lot of die cast in the Lionheart pannier, more than there is plastic) and the higher end brass stuff will continue to be sold and developed by Richard working alone as Lionheart. There are several wagon variants not yet mentioned that I would expect Dapol to re release, specifically the 16T minerals as they will complement the Dapol 10ft wheelbase wagons due later this year. The Lionheart Pannier is a fairly complex "mixed media" body, with lots of diecast and metal details- it's also a belt drive chassis. I imagine the Dapol 57xx will follow the Terrier in having a metal chassis with plastic cosmetic sideframes and a mostly plastic body, and I'd be very surprised if it doesn't have a very similar motor/ gearbox arrangement as the Terrier and 08. That will go some way to explaining the price difference. The end result probably won't be quite as "quality" but I'm more than happy with my Terrier both aesthetically and functionally and the 08 is shaping up to be better still. This is pure guesswork by the way, I could be completely wrong on the spec of the 57xx! 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bartb Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 Thats great new, better start saving up then Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jjb1970 Posted August 24, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 24, 2016 I think there could be many reasons. Dapol may be modifying the model to reduce costs, if that can be done without visibly compromising the model or degrading its performance then I see nothing wrong with that. Or perhaps the tooling paid for itself from the Lionheart runs and Dapol are looking only at costs to manufacture and distribute, not develop and tool. Or perhaps they’re pricing these aggressively as part of a strategy to grow their O gauge range? Certainly the Terrier and 08 models were aggressively priced for O gauge models. Maybe Dapol are just working to lower margins? Whatever the reason the net result is that O gauge modelling is being made a lot more accessible, which must be a good thing. I know a lot have criticised the Dapol wagons (and there are justifiable criticisms to be made there) but along with Heljan and Ixion Dapol are really opening up O gauge and that should be applauded I think. At a time when OO prices are going up I’d be really tempted to look at what I could do with a small end to end and a small selection of nice rolling stock if I hadn’t reverted to HO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phill Dyson (onslaught832) Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 Hi Phil, I was thinking the same a couple of months ago, they have done 2mm & 4mm, so 7mm is the next logical step. I don't do kettles normally, but at those prices a little tank & Autocoach is getting harder to resist Craig. I think I may well get a 57xx at that price too Craig Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hal Nail Posted September 3, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 3, 2016 (edited) Any news on the ex Lionheart B set at Telford? Edited September 3, 2016 by Hal Nail 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
south_tyne Posted September 3, 2016 Share Posted September 3, 2016 Looking forward to announcement about the 16t and RCH mineral wagons in due course. Hopefully it won't be too long before they are available again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jintyman Posted September 4, 2016 Share Posted September 4, 2016 Any news on the ex Lionheart B set at Telford? Last I'd heard is that they'd been put back to November. Jinty Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev_Lewis Posted September 4, 2016 Share Posted September 4, 2016 Last I'd heard is that they'd been put back to November. Jinty That is actually good for me to hear. Having blown a big chunk of cash at Telford today I can not make the B set my xmas pressie! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Night Train Posted September 5, 2016 Share Posted September 5, 2016 I definitely want an autocoach now though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gardenwall Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 The Dapol reference numbers given to the forthcoming reissue of the ex Lionheart autotrailers are 7P-004-001 thru 7P-004-005. (Tower Models website) Now the milk tankers, though technically passenger stock, were given 7F-031-xxx numbers by Dapol. So what are 7P-001-xxx, 7P-002-xxx and 7P-003-xxx? Do Dapol have some other passenger stock in development that they have not disclosed yet? Or are these just the numbers allocated to the Lionheart suburbans - diagrams D109, E140 and E141. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PMP99 Posted September 10, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 10, 2016 The Lionheart Pannier is a fairly complex "mixed media" body, with lots of diecast and metal details- it's also a belt drive chassis. I imagine the Dapol 57xx will follow the Terrier in having a metal chassis with plastic cosmetic sideframes and a mostly plastic body, and I'd be very surprised if it doesn't have a very similar motor/ gearbox arrangement as the Terrier and 08. That will go some way to explaining the price difference. The end result probably won't be quite as "quality" but I'm more than happy with my Terrier both aesthetically and functionally and the 08 is shaping up to be better still. This is pure guesswork by the way, I could be completely wrong on the spec of the 57xx! Am I reading this correctly that the ex-Lionheart pannier chassis is superior to the type of chassis Dapol are now employing? Any thoughts gratefully received. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianthesnail96 Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 (edited) No, it's just a different way of doing things. The Dapol Terrier chassis is more traditional in design than the Lionheart one with it's fairly unusual belt drive. Not really better, just different. My comment about quality was more referring to the amount of diecast in the Lionheart one. This was in quotation marks as it's really a matter of what is perceived as quality as opposed to actually making much of a difference to most aspects of the finished product. Edited September 10, 2016 by brianthesnail96 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PMP99 Posted September 10, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 10, 2016 No, it's just a different way of doing things. The Dapol Terrier chassis is more traditional in design than the Lionheart one with it's fairly unusual belt drive. Not really better, just different. My comment about quality was more referring to the amount of diecast in the Lionheart one. This was in quotation marks as it's really a matter of what is perceived as quality as opposed to actually making much of a difference to most aspects of the finished product. Thanks very much for that clarification. Like a few other people on here I think I'm going to be sorely tempted although I've never done 7mm (yet)! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
south_tyne Posted September 11, 2016 Share Posted September 11, 2016 Was there any mention at Telford of a re-release date for the 16t and RCH minerals? I haven't read anything official so maube it is just a case of 'in due course'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidM Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 Was there any mention at Telford of a re-release date for the 16t and RCH minerals? I haven't read anything official so maube it is just a case of 'in due course'. They're available at a few places if you search for ""Lionheart"". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
south_tyne Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 They're available at a few places if you search for ""Lionheart"". Cheers, hopefully managed to track a couple down now! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium NCB Posted September 18, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 18, 2016 I'm wondering about the liveries of the 64XX models. 7S-024-002 is clearly Shirtbutton. But 7S-024-001 is described as "Great Western GWR Green". So is this GWR Green with "Great Western" branding, or Great Western Green with "GWR branding"? Likewise for the 74XX, is 7S-025-001 "GWR Green" GWR green with "GWR" branding, or something else? Note that with these the GWR livery brandings are clear. Whatever, these are all attractive prospects, as are the 57XX models. No doubt 8750 panniers could appear at some point. I may not get around to my planned purchase of a JLTRT pannier kit "sometime" after all! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CME and Bottlewasher Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 (edited) Hi, Does anyone know if the Dapol Pannier (64/74xx) will be the same specification as the Lionheart version - I have been told that it will be? The price seems to be £340.00 from most of the big box shifters with Antics being £399 and others at £340? Does anyone else know different? Thanks in anticipation. ATVB CME Edit; On Tower's website they have confirmed that the model will be the same spec as the Lionheart original Edited September 27, 2016 by CME and Bottlewasher Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CME and Bottlewasher Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 I'm wondering about the liveries of the 64XX models. 7S-024-002 is clearly Shirtbutton. But 7S-024-001 is described as "Great Western GWR Green". So is this GWR Green with "Great Western" branding, or Great Western Green with "GWR branding"? Likewise for the 74XX, is 7S-025-001 "GWR Green" GWR green with "GWR" branding, or something else? Note that with these the GWR livery brandings are clear. Whatever, these are all attractive prospects, as are the 57XX models. No doubt 8750 panniers could appear at some point. I may not get around to my planned purchase of a JLTRT pannier kit "sometime" after all! The 8750s and 57xx are being done by Minerva too... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CME and Bottlewasher Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 Can anyone direct me towards (or provide Links) to photos of 74xx working in or around Marlborough, Swindon, Gloucester etc. Thanks in anticipation. CME Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
90rob Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 Can anyone direct me towards (or provide Links) to photos of 74xx working in or around Marlborough, Swindon, Gloucester etc. Thanks in anticipation. CME There are three pictures of 74xxs (7418, 7421) working the Kemble - Tetbury branch in Bradford Barton 'Great Western Branch Line Steam' vol 1. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CME and Bottlewasher Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 (edited) There are three pictures of 74xxs (7418, 7421) working the Kemble - Tetbury branch in Bradford Barton 'Great Western Branch Line Steam' vol 1. Ah! Thanks for that, kind of you and appreciated, I thought that Id seen a photo somewhere, I have that vol., its the only book that I hadnt looked in yet (doah!)! Kindest regards, CME EDIT; Found them! Page 81 onwards. Also looks like a 64xx with an Autocoach/mixed Goods. Looks like 7421 & 7418 had Top Feeds. Edited October 6, 2016 by CME and Bottlewasher 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CME and Bottlewasher Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 (edited) As an update, I noted that from page 74-80 of GW Branchline Steam Vol 2 there are more-'local'-class 74xx on at Fairford et al (and as I had an ancestor that worked at Fairford, station-master IIRC, such has a little more interest for me). So within that Vol., locos Nos; 7411, 7412 & 7404 are to be seen, all Top Feed fitted so it would seem. Edited October 6, 2016 by CME and Bottlewasher 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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