Popular Post Ruston Posted January 3, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted January 3, 2017 (edited) Not everyone models 4mm and some people may still be unaware that there is now an excellent ready-to-run industrial steam loco availlable. There is of course 66 pages of waffle about it here http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/103556-Hornby-announce-peckett-w4-0-4-0st/ Although my usual scale these days is 7mm I think this is a great step in promoting industrial locomotives to a wider audience than those of us who are used to building kits so I'm posting this to try and get more people building industrial layouts and taking an interest in industrial locos... This topic is for those who have done something with their Pecketts other than shake the box, and is also for prototype information and photos of the W4 type. Please share your modified or weathered models and post photos of the prototype here. You can also post photos of your locos if they are on a proper industrial layout. I have already posted these elsewhere but I'll kick off with a couple of photos of my own models. Only the bodies have been weathered so far but the wheels and frames will follow. Firstly I removed the Dodo name, and the Huntley & Palmers lettering by rubbing them with cotton buds that were soaked in white spirit. Cocktail sticks soaked in the same were used where the lettering was in the rivets. Then Mig soot black pigment was painted all over using a water-wetted brush. When this had dried a cotton bud was used to wipe most off but leaving just enough around the buffers, handrails, rivets etc. This was sealed in by airbrushing on a coat of Tamiya matt acrylic varnish. A final touch was a light dusting of Tamiya rubber black to represent fresh soot on the top of the tank. The couplings are to be replaced with Dinghams and both may be given nameplates. Edited August 5, 2018 by Ruston 22 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Andy Y Posted January 3, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted January 3, 2017 I'm sure the well-executed attractive liveries caught the eye of many and probably helped the model become a virtual sell-out within a few days of arrival but what underpins the model is a beautifully running model of a useful prototype. To me the rash of pictures from proud foster parents of unmolested models impelled me to sweep away the cute factor and explore some possibilities. I've had it in mind that it would be a useful basis to resurrect a 10-year old dormant project to put together an LSWR 0458 class to precede the collection of other Southampton Docks shunters I have. The wheelbase and wheelsize are close enough and the internals look as though they can be housed within the butchered Caley Pug body I have in a pile of boxes in the garage. It'll have to remain an animated gif until I find which box the body is in and get a second W4 for the chassis. Obviously the itch needed to be scratched still as I woke in the middle of the night thinking of taking the piercing saw to the cab back; just to see what it looked like you understand. The plastic handrails are quite weak anyway and I've already spotted some broken ones so it was a simple replacement with brass wire after a little drilling. Hopefully the crew will feel a little less claustrophobic now but they'll need some weather protection. If we start hacking mainline locos about like this in some form of fantasy modification league without definitive proof we would be placed in the village stocks and have wet Journals thrown at us but once we step behind the industrial gates I think it's more permissible to become a little freelance. After all, many of the industries are fictitious and it's far more plausible that they could have acquired a loco and made their own modifications and applied their own liveries. If they are well executed is there any harm in it? In the list of 'one day' projects I have cluttering up my mind is Keyhaven's salt works, a small site on the Hampshire coast with drying houses (which consume a lot of coal) evaporating the salt from the salt pans of the marshes there. (It was a real industry, just never rail-served). Imaginary history tells that they bought a Peckett from the NCB at Cannock rather than it going to scrap in 1962. It's all a bit tatty at the end of its life but that's the opposite of the biscuit barrel, which was where I wanted to go. Taking the lining off with Microsol and cocktail sticks I got back to a plainer finish as a base for the work-weary loco. The tank buffs up nicely, but then I had to ruin it. I've ordered some etched worksplates and nameplates for 'Fleur de Sel' from Narrow Planet as it will be named in due course; for now though there's just a hint of the removed plates. I'll pick up a Markits whistle and some safety valves in due course to replace the most vulnerable parts of the model. The canvas tarp is rolled up copy paper and the weathering, so far, is with powders. This will be taken back a little more and tidied up once the plates are in place. There's a couple of little Modelu crew here waiting for painting. That's the beauty of a near-perfect product; you feel it's worth spending time doing something more to make it more personal. 21 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Captain Kernow Posted January 3, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 3, 2017 This topic is for those who have done something with their Pecketts other than shake the box, and is also for prototype information and photos of the W4 type. Please share your modified or weathered models and post photos of the prototype here. You can also post photos of your locos if they are on a proper industrial layout. Hi Dave, Are photos of models of other types of industrial locos OK on here? Also, can the settings be non-industrial but similarly off-the-beaten-track, such as light railways? Perhaps if it appeared in the pages of By-Lines, it could appear in this thread? Cheers. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruston Posted January 3, 2017 Author Share Posted January 3, 2017 I would like to see some more of your industrial locos, Cap'n but I'd like to keep this for Pecketts. If it's a suitable industrial or light railway setting then feel free to start a new topic in this UK Standard Gauge section. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrismears Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 Not mine but a build I was excitedly waiting for about as much as the actual model, Oly Turner's: https://otcm.wordpress.com/2017/01/02/filthy-dirty-grubby-meet-the-model-of-2016-the-peckett-is-finished/ I knew I would want one of these and deeply regret not reserving one. Seeing finished examples with a bit of dirt on them only deepens this sense of regret. They look fantastic and from the same blog, a superb quote: "So in the simplest review ever, the Peckett is great. Get one. Get eight. All our international readers, get ONE. All our British readers, if you do not already have one why not?" Hard not to imagine a layout for these. Chris 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davknigh Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 The quickest way to improve the appearance of the Pecketts is to lose the tension lock couplings. Replacement with Dinghams, AJs or proper 3 links would be the best way forward but if the rest of your stock has tension lock then a loop, wire across the buffers, or a cut down version of the stock item less the lock would be some improvement. Even Kadees look less obtrusive. Cheers, David 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bomp Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 I'm planning to do my Huntley and Palmers one as one that Bass may have had. The MSC one is cloise enough to a stock one for the Truman, Hanley and Buxton ones with a little work. Clearly I'll be changing the couplings, and adding some big buffer heads. Anyone know what paint for Indian Red? I'm exiled in Guernsey so I can't readily do a sample board and take it to the real thing. I know they didn't actually have one, but they could have done... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Captain Kernow Posted January 4, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 4, 2017 Not mine but a build I was excitedly waiting for about as much as the actual model, Oly Turner's: https://otcm.wordpress.com/2017/01/02/filthy-dirty-grubby-meet-the-model-of-2016-the-peckett-is-finished/ I knew I would want one of these and deeply regret not reserving one. Seeing finished examples with a bit of dirt on them only deepens this sense of regret. They look fantastic and from the same blog, a superb quote: "So in the simplest review ever, the Peckett is great. Get one. Get eight. All our international readers, get ONE. All our British readers, if you do not already have one why not?" Hard not to imagine a layout for these. Chris That's a very effective conversion and puts me in mind of the slightly larger 'Sir Gomer' or 'Kilmersdon'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quarryscapes Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 (edited) Plucked up the courage and attacked my Dodo... Dodo is Extinct by Alan Jones, on Flickr Name removed with autosol on a cotton bud, weathering is a mix of Matt black wash, AK interactive streaking grime and then followed up with humbrol smoke weathering powder. Unbeknown to me the washes were still damp in some places so it all went a bit wrong with the powder, so the cleaner will have to get his rag back out and clean it again before it's allowed into traffic... OK a few more pics before I clan it up! Shunting by Alan Jones, on Flickr Shunting by Alan Jones, on Flickr Edited January 4, 2017 by Quarryscapes 12 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruston Posted January 4, 2017 Author Share Posted January 4, 2017 Peckett w/n 832, the subject of the Hornby Huntley & Palmers model. Seen here very much later in its life at Cransley iron works in Northants. http://thumbs4.picclick.com/d/l400/pict/131914221315_/2-Original-Slides-Of-Cransley-Iron-Works.jpg A picture in Industrial Steam Album Number 2, by M.J. Fox and G.D. King shows the front of the loco, which by then had deep buffer beams and 4 buffers and two drawhooks at each end. The second set being lower and narrower-set than the originals. Presumably for some internal use wagons. It was scrapped on site by George Cohen & Sons Ltd. in 1966. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davknigh Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 A suggestion for those who use tension link couplings. Have a look and see if you have some spare NEM wagon couplings from Bachmann stock. These are shorter and with the hook removed are very unobtrusive. Cheers, David 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
avonside1563 Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 If we start hacking mainline locos about like this in some form of fantasy modification league without definitive proof we would be placed in the village stocks and have wet Journals thrown at us but once we step behind the industrial gates I think it's more permissible to become a little freelance. After all, many of the industries are fictitious and it's far more plausible that they could have acquired a loco and made their own modifications and applied their own liveries. If they are well executed is there any harm in it? That's the beauty of a near-perfect product; you feel it's worth spending time doing something more to make it more personal. That's one of the delights of the Industrial scene, so many locations carried out their own overhauls/modifications that often the origins of the loco are lost in the mists of time. So unlike the mainline rivet counters, you can do just about anything to an industrial model and find a justification for it. Now I've just got to decide what I want to do with mine.... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Y Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 So unlike the mainline rivet counters, you can do just about anything to an industrial model and find a justification for it. What I cannot find a justification for, other than envy and theft, is your modelling mates in the pub contemplating swapping a Peckett for a similarly weighted salt pot in the box when you've gone to the loo. Despicable. Just because they were slow off the mark and didn't get one. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PGH Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 (edited) It always amuses me how some seem to think that any model of an industrial steam loco needs to be covered in a significantly large amount of filth to have "convincing realism" (whatever that is). In truth the external condition of industrial steam locos varied and depended on such factors as their working environment, how hard they were required to work and whether or not their crew took a pride in their appearance. Edited October 12, 2018 by PGH 12 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Ben Alder Posted January 5, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted January 5, 2017 Working as a distillery Pug in the Highlands with limited running rights on BR a la Speyside line.Still to be finished off, these were taken to see how it looked. A spray of varnish will be added to even out the finish where the removal of the numberplate left a shiny patch. Seen alongside a 12T van you realise how small it is compared to main line locos. 30 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Q663368 Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 Ben, Absolutely delightful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norton961 Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 Prompted by Rushton on my thread on the Lilleshall Company when I posted a photo of the Lilleshall Pecket I rushed of to see if I can buy one of the new Hornby W4 to discover that they are very hard to find! A search on eBay only had two for sale so I bought one.. Has anyone taken one to bits to see how easy is it to convert to P4? I don't have my reference books to hand but from memory the Lileshall Pecket was painted black with possibly dark blue as an alternative, so looking forward to receiving the model. When I get home I wil post a picture of the Lilleshall version as there are bound to be some detail variations. That's the beauty of industrials they were subject to change depending on the owner. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Corbs Posted January 6, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 6, 2017 Prompted by Rushton on my thread on the Lilleshall Company when I posted a photo of the Lilleshall Pecket I rushed of to see if I can buy one of the new Hornby W4 to discover that they are very hard to find! A search on eBay only had two for sale so I bought one.. Has anyone taken one to bits to see how easy is it to convert to P4? I don't have my reference books to hand but from memory the Lileshall Pecket was painted black with possibly dark blue as an alternative, so looking forward to receiving the model. When I get home I wil post a picture of the Lilleshall version as there are bound to be some detail variations. That's the beauty of industrials they were subject to change depending on the owner. All the info you need should be in the main Peckett thread Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norton961 Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 Corbs, thanks, just discovered that thread this afternoon. Having just purchased a Pecket of eBay I now discover that the next Hornby version for later in 2017 is the Lillershall loco! What are the chances of that? So I am going to pre order one of those and put the one I have ordered on display. David 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osgood Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 Working as a distillery Pug in the Highlands with limited running rights on BR a la Speyside line….. Superb looking backscene! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Captain Kernow Posted January 6, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 6, 2017 It's interesting to see the weathered (and modified) Pecketts beginning to emerge. One thing that I would find helpful, would be an objective assessment of the relative merits of each method of removing the Hornby printed name plates, Huntley & Palmers lettering, numbers etc., ie. the most effective method, tool(s) and substances used to remove the printed stuff, which at the same time causes least damage to the painted livery underneath. Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Alder Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 I copied Andy Y's method of Microsol and a bit of balsa strip to rub off the numberplate. Worked well enough, leaving a slight sheen where it was but this will be sprayed over. Others have mentioned enamel thinners or Brasso on the other thread. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norton961 Posted January 7, 2017 Share Posted January 7, 2017 I use the rubbing compound for cars called T Cut on a cotton bud. But only put a small amount on the bud and work carefully. I don't know if this applies to the Peckets, but most ready to run models are not painted, the plastic is the body colour in which case there is no risk of rubbing paint off. Where the name/number has been rubbed of it will be shiny but a quick overspray in satin varnish solves that. David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ian@stenochs Posted January 7, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted January 7, 2017 Some of the main line companies had a few Industrial locos on their books. Either as a result of a takeover or because they needed something specialised and not worth creating an in house special. This Peckett was originally owned by Ayr Harbour Board but when the G&SWR took over the company when it went bust they also got the loco. When it came to Sou'West it was in a very rundown and decrepit state but it was overhauled and given a top class finish complete with polished Chimney cap and dome cover and they used it as works pug at Kilmarnock replacing a Barclay which also had a highly ornate finish. However the LMS painted it black, numbered it 16403 and sent it to Perth where it worked the Gleneagles Hotel branch for a while. My 7mm scale model was built from Pete Stampers Agenoria kit but the current RTR offerings could be used. Ian 26 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 It always amuses me how some seem to think that any model of an industrial steam loco needs to be covered in a significantly large amount of filth to have "convincing realism" (whatever that is). In truth the external condition of industrial steam locos varied and depended on such factors as their working environment, how hard they were required to work and whether or not their crew took a pride in their appearance. The most important factor was probably whether it was an outdoors loco, working on a quarry or colliery site or whether it was a factory loco. My youthful memories of the Culter Paper Mill one was of a well looked after little Peckett with gleaming brasswork Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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