009 micro modeller Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 37 minutes ago, Sandhole said: Now, that would be a brave step for Hornby to produce a Barclay loco. They make the powerdrive already. Chris. The rear-facing cylinders may be a slight issue. Though not all fireless locos have those. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandhole Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 Just now, 009 micro modeller said: The rear-facing cylinders may be a slight issue. Though not all fireless locos have those. Having dismantled a Hornby Peckett for fitting under a Hardy's body, I think the powerdrive would fit. If I had the spare cash, I'd try it. Time to look for bargains, I think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbo675 Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 Hi Folks, There is this little Barclay on Shapeways that is designed to fit a Hornby pug mechanism. https://www.shapeways.com/product/6DEE5SJUU/andrew-barclay-fireless-locomotive Gibbo. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurboSnail Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Sandhole said: Having dismantled a Hornby Peckett for fitting under a Hardy's body, I think the powerdrive would fit. If I had the spare cash, I'd try it. Time to look for bargains, I think. I've looked at doing this - it's a bit too tall to fit to scale in the Barclay fireless, but if you were prepared to make the pressure vessel bigger, it could be made to work. The other issue being that the front of the motor and boiler on the Peckett will stick into the cab on the Fireless, but again, not insurmountable. Peckett also made a fireless, so the wheels and cylinders would be the correct type for that! I think people have made fireless locos out of Pugs too - the chassis is about the right size, and I think the motor might fit if it could be rotated 90°. EDIT: Gibbo beat me to it! Edited August 3, 2021 by TurboSnail 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJS1977 Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 22 hours ago, Sandhole said: I remember when Quainton Road put the Fireless back in 'steam'. She was charged from Coventry No1 a NB 0-6-0 tank, that had benn modified with a steam take off. The heady days of Quainton Road. I've always enjoyed going there! Chris. One of the guys from Quainton came and did a condition report when we were looking at restoring HP1. He said that in his view, the results of steaming one loco just to charge another weren't really worth the effort. That said, Ayrshire Railway Preservation Society currently run a fireless loco, and I'm surprised more railways haven't looked into charging a fireless loco with electrically-produced steam as a mitigation against the possibility of coal becoming unavailable. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
009 micro modeller Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 7 minutes ago, RJS1977 said: One of the guys from Quainton came and did a condition report when we were looking at restoring HP1. He said that in his view, the results of steaming one loco just to charge another weren't really worth the effort. That said, Ayrshire Railway Preservation Society currently run a fireless loco, and I'm surprised more railways haven't looked into charging a fireless loco with electrically-produced steam as a mitigation against the possibility of coal becoming unavailable. Is there anywhere with working stationary engines that would be in a position to use a fireless loco and charge it from those? Do Ayrshire also charge theirs from a conventional loco? As far as I know the ones that have steamed in preservation have only run on short lines (like at Quainton Road) and I wonder whether the range would be sufficient for longer lines. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandhole Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 Just now, 009 micro modeller said: Is there anywhere with working stationary engines that would be in a position to use a fireless loco and charge it from those? Do Ayrshire also charge theirs from a conventional loco? As far as I know the ones that have steamed in preservation have only run on short lines (like at Quainton Road) and I wonder whether the range would be sufficient for longer lines. Their range was always short I think. Though, there were some monsters build for Dorman Long, by Barclay. They never went far from the steam source. Shunting is stop start too, not continuous use of steam. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John Besley Posted August 3, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 3, 2021 As an alternative how about compressed air locos, used in the USA in mines... expect used here as well 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJS1977 Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 3 hours ago, Sandhole said: Their range was always short I think. Though, there were some monsters build for Dorman Long, by Barclay. They never went far from the steam source. Shunting is stop start too, not continuous use of steam. Though arguably stop-start shunting would use more steam than running continuously for an equivalent distance. The biggest issue though is brakes - vacuum brakes require too much steam to be viable on a fireless loco. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
009 micro modeller Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 8 minutes ago, RJS1977 said: The biggest issue though is brakes - vacuum brakes require too much steam to be viable on a fireless loco. What about air brakes? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlfaZagato Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 Still the same issue. You need to divert a ready supply of steam to the compressor. Maybe if there was a compressor tap at the central boiler Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post 33C Posted August 3, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted August 3, 2021 (edited) On 03/08/2021 at 16:38, Otis JB said: Please show us more of that NER long boiler you have lurking in the background it looks absolutely fantastic! I'm currently working on a CAD (at a snail's pace) of it so I can have my own. Here you go.....a heavily reworked Rivarossi, "Bourbonais" model. Edited April 4, 2022 by 33C added photo. 13 6 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otis JB Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 11 hours ago, 33C said: Here you go.....a heavily reworked Rivarossi, "Bourbonais" model. Thanks, what an incredible job you've done! 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sophia NSE Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 The sun was out this morning so I took the opportunity for some garden shots A C class hauling a short mixed goods. It actually works too as @BlueLightningcan confirm! The glossy paintjob is so glossy it was reflecting my pink phone case Next stage is handrails Coming back the other way was the branch line passenger service Even the Boughton Quarry shunter decided to get in on the action! Next victim already in primer grey. Hopefully I can get the brake coach soon for a more branch line rake of coaches 11 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold BlueLightning Posted August 4, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 4, 2021 3 hours ago, Sophia NSE said: A C class hauling a short mixed goods. It actually works too as @BlueLightningcan confirm! Still not sorted that coal load yet though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sophia NSE Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 4 hours ago, BlueLightning said: Still not sorted that coal load yet though Have you done the coal for the O yet? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted August 4, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 4, 2021 'Nuf of this pot calling the kettle black! 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sophia NSE Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 16 minutes ago, Compound2632 said: 'Nuf of this pot calling the kettle black! But HE started it sir! 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted August 4, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 4, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Sophia NSE said: But HE started it sir! To which the trained teacher responds: "We're talking about your behaviour, not someone else's." Anyway, they're both kettles. Edited August 4, 2021 by Compound2632 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 On 03/08/2021 at 18:24, 009 micro modeller said: Is there anywhere with working stationary engines that would be in a position to use a fireless loco and charge it from those? Do Ayrshire also charge theirs from a conventional loco? As far as I know the ones that have steamed in preservation have only run on short lines (like at Quainton Road) and I wonder whether the range would be sufficient for longer lines. MOSI in Manchester used to use their one for rides. At the end you can see it being refuelled with steam, which I assume came from the same source used for the stationary engines. Jason 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbo675 Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 (edited) Hi Folks, Quick physics lesson here, fireless locomotives are not charged with steam but superheated water, that is water that has been raised to above 212*F (100*C). The tank of the locomotive is actually an accumulator and is heavily insulated so that as the head of steam, that is produced by the volume of heat that is at the temperature of the water, is used water boils off and expands into the space above the water, the temperature of the water and pressure of the head of steam remaining constant. So long as there is water in the accumulator then the head of steam will be constant relative to temperature, obviously the volume of water and therefore the volume of heat (energy imparted to the water) reduces as the water level drops which is why the accumulator requires to be recharged as the volume of water reduces as steam is used for traction. Water at 379*F (202*C) provides 180lbs of steam. Hope that helps, Gibbo. Edited August 5, 2021 by Gibbo675 I missed a comma, somewhere. 4 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold BlueLightning Posted August 4, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 4, 2021 2 hours ago, Sophia NSE said: Have you done the coal for the O yet? No I've been too busy making other peoples locos run 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted August 5, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 5, 2021 10 hours ago, BlueLightning said: No I've been too busy making other peoples locos run Teacher says: "None of this banter. I'm coming round to see how much work you've actually done." 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sophia NSE Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 56 minutes ago, Compound2632 said: Teacher says: "None of this banter. I'm coming round to see how much work you've actually done." Exhibit A M'lud! 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted August 5, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 5, 2021 Housepoints. But it wasn't your work I was feeling the need to check up on... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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