RMweb Gold TravisM Posted July 23, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 23, 2017 (edited) I was wondering what the last Jubilee workings were towards the end of steam and where were they were based? I seem to remember reading that there were five survivors in 1967, all based at Leeds Holbeck and mainly worked over the S&C, can anyone clarify this? Julian Sprott Edited July 23, 2017 by jools1959 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted July 23, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 23, 2017 The Holbeck 5, Leander, Bahamas, Kholapur, Sturdee, and Hardy IIRC, were used on relief passenger, notably the relief summer SO Thame-Clyde express, parcels, and express freight work on the Settle-Carlisle route and to Skipton, as well as railtours. They may well have deviated from that route on to others still open to steam for bank holiday excursion traffic; Blackpool would be a likely destination, and probably worked parcels trains to Manchester Exchange/Victoria via Huddersfield and the Standedge Tunnel, but their main association was with the S & C. They were serviced at Kingmoor, Upperby being diesel only by that time and the other Carlisle sheds having gone. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TravisM Posted July 23, 2017 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted July 23, 2017 (edited) The Holbeck 5, Leander, Bahamas, Kholapur, Sturdee, and Hardy IIRC, were used on relief passenger, notably the relief summer SO Thame-Clyde express, parcels, and express freight work on the Settle-Carlisle route and to Skipton, as well as railtours. They may well have deviated from that route on to others still open to steam for bank holiday excursion traffic; Blackpool would be a likely destination, and probably worked parcels trains to Manchester Exchange/Victoria via Huddersfield and the Standedge Tunnel, but their main association was with the S & C. They were serviced at Kingmoor, Upperby being diesel only by that time and the other Carlisle sheds having gone. 45562 Alberta should be one of the remaining Holbeck five, as well as 45593 Kolhapur and 45596 Bahamas. 45690 Leander had been long withdrawn in 1964 from Bristol Barrow Hill and probably in Woodhams yard by 1967. Both 45647 Sturdee and 45675 Hardy were Holbeck engines until April and June 1967 respectively until withdrawn Julian Sprott Edited July 23, 2017 by jools1959 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrowroad Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 45562 Alberta should be one of the remaining Holbeck five, as well as 45593 Kolhapur and 45596 Bahamas. 45690 Leander had been long withdrawn in 1964 from Bristol Barrow Hill and probably in Woodhams yard by 1967. Both 45647 Sturdee and 45675 Hardy were Holbeck engines until April and June 1967 respectively until withdrawn Julian Sprott Correction Bristol Barrow Road - Barrow Hill is near Chesterfield. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pH Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 My nominations for the last 5 Jubilees at Holbeck: 45562 withdrawn 9/67 45593 withdrawn 9 or 10/67 45647 withdrawn 4 or 5/67 45675 withdrawn 6/67 45697 withdrawn 9/67 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
APOLLO Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 (edited) 5 August 1967, my brother & I traveled from Wigan across the Pennines to ride on the 10.17 Leeds (ex Birmingham) to Carlisle (the train then went on to Glasgow behind Britannia 70028). A gleaming Jubilee, 45562 Alberta took us from Leeds to Carlisle. A few other Holbeck Jubs were still in use as mentioned above, also used on the S&C expresses at this time. Our journey from Manchester to Huddersfield was behind Standard 73045 (train went to Scarborough I think), Carlisle to Preston was behind a Black 5, 44911, Head out of window all the way, and we were both as black as it when we got home !!. Brit15 Edited July 23, 2017 by APOLLO 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 65179 Posted July 23, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 23, 2017 Bahamas was Stockport Edgeley's pet Jubilee rather than one of Holbeck's and only lasted to 1966. Whiteley and Morrison's The Power of the Jubilees has the 5 Jubilees that pH mentions on all sorts of duties: Leeds-Glasgow passenger; Newcastle-Llandudno; Leeds-Wavertree parcels; Stourton or Hunslet-Carlisle freights; a pick up freight at Appleby West; and Alberta on the Royal Train in May 1967. Simon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TravisM Posted July 23, 2017 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted July 23, 2017 Bahamas was Stockport Edgeley's pet Jubilee rather than one of Holbeck's and only lasted to 1966. Whiteley and Morrison's The Power of the Jubilees has the 5 Jubilees that pH mentions on all sorts of duties: Leeds-Glasgow passenger; Newcastle-Llandudno; Leeds-Wavertree parcels; Stourton or Hunslet-Carlisle freights; a pick up freight at Appleby West; and Alberta on the Royal Train in May 1967. Simon Just bought the book. Julian Sprott Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 I'd be interested to know why they survived on the Thames - Clyde into '67 and not the Thames - Forth (also known by another name) - perhaps because by this time the ersatz Waverley had gone over to portion working for half the year.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold john new Posted July 23, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 23, 2017 (edited) Although the dates precede the very end of steam as an ex-pat Yorkshireman I have fond memories of being taken as a boy to the line-side when back "up north" either along the canal towpath to a spot on the opposite side of the valley to Kirkstall Forge or to Calverley & Rodley station and watching the Thames Clyde go through. Similarly (although off topic for this thread) after my Grandparents moved from Horsforth to Cookridge walking down a footpath to the mouth of Bramhope Tunnel to see the Queen of Scots go through. Similary when visiting my Aunt & Uncle at Silsden walking down there also to watch the TC go through. Oh for a TARDIS; not just for the trains but to say, even just once, a thank you to those long passed on for the memories. Edited July 23, 2017 by john new 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold john new Posted July 23, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 23, 2017 (edited) I'd be interested to know why they survived on the Thames - Clyde into '67 and not the Thames - Forth (also known by another name) - perhaps because by this time the ersatz Waverley had gone over to portion working for half the year.... Interesting observation. Perhaps loadings/timings relating to the power rating of Jubilee or merely the way the motive power diagrams slotted into other aspects of scheduling? Did the turn's loco diagram for the Thames Forth require mileage and a depot visit that by then only a diesel could do as the steam facilities to turn and return the loco had been closed? Edit = PS Thames-Forth = The Waverly? Edited July 23, 2017 by john new Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted July 23, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 23, 2017 (edited) 45562 Alberta should be one of the remaining Holbeck five, as well as 45593 Kolhapur and 45596 Bahamas. 45690 Leander had been long withdrawn in 1964 from Bristol Barrow Hill and probably in Woodhams yard by 1967. Both 45647 Sturdee and 45675 Hardy were Holbeck engines until April and June 1967 respectively until withdrawn Julian Sprott I knew one didn't sound right, and thought it was Hardy, but I'd already seen Leander at Barry and shoulda known better. Senior moment (again). And Kolhapur is of course the correct spelling. Edited July 23, 2017 by The Johnster 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TravisM Posted July 23, 2017 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted July 23, 2017 Correction Bristol Barrow Road - Barrow Hill is near Chesterfield. Stand corrected...... Julian Sprott Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkC Posted July 24, 2017 Share Posted July 24, 2017 IIRC Alberta was passed over simply because her tyres were pretty much worn out, and back then that was considered to be a 'red line'. Today, of course, 50 years on, such items are regularly replaced. How times change... 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
APOLLO Posted July 24, 2017 Share Posted July 24, 2017 Forgot to add, Photos of my trip mentioned above in my Flikr album here. https://www.flickr.com/photos/136789710@N03/albums/72157680434802146 As mentioned, oh for a Tardis !!!! Brit15 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted July 24, 2017 Share Posted July 24, 2017 (edited) Forgot to add, Photos of my trip mentioned above in my Flikr album here. https://www.flickr.com/photos/136789710@N03/albums/72157680434802146 As mentioned, oh for a Tardis !!!! Brit15 Love the album - this appears to be a ScR Type 3 bringing a through passenger train into Carlisle? https://www.flickr.com/photos/136789710@N03/32872459791/in/album-72157680434802146/ Edited July 24, 2017 by 'CHARD Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold unravelled Posted July 24, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 24, 2017 I travelled on the Thames Clyde from Leeds behind 45562 on 12th August 1967. These are a couple of photos after arrival at Carlisle. Thanks Dave 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNER4479 Posted July 24, 2017 Share Posted July 24, 2017 Weren't these S&C trains SO relief services and not the main train, per se? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNER4479 Posted July 24, 2017 Share Posted July 24, 2017 (edited) Locos also used on railtours in 1967, including: 25.2.67 'The Border Countryman' (43106 also used) 45562 Leeds-Manchr-Shap-Carlisle-Newcastle-York-Leeds http://www.sixbellsjunction.co.uk/60s/670200_1.html 22.4.67 'Derbyshire Dawdler' (3442 also used) 45593 Leeds-Castleford-Doncaster-Sheffield-Chinley http://www.sixbellsjunction.co.uk/60s/670422rc.html 3.6.67 'The Thames-Tyne Ltd' (70039 and 4472 also used) 45562 Carlisle-Newcastle http://www.sixbellsjunction.co.uk/60s/670603lc.html 7.10.67 'The South Yorkshireman' (No.8) 45562 Bradford-Hebden Bridge-Manchr-Shap-Carlisle-Ais Gill-Leeds 45593 Leeds-Bradford http://www.sixbellsjunction.co.uk/60s/670916jr.html There are others. NOTE - the use of 45562 on the latter railtour is at odds with the withdrawal date quoted above. I've always believed that 45593 and 45562 were the last two in service? Edit - Six Bells Junc also quotes use of the loco on a railtour on 28.10.67, surmising that this may have been its very last working Edited July 24, 2017 by LNER4479 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alcanman Posted July 24, 2017 Share Posted July 24, 2017 Not great pics, but I managed to catch 45562 on the Blyth & Tyne working the 'Ashington Rail Tour' on 19th June 1967. Seen here at Newsham, Northumberland and later at the coaling stage at North Blyth shed. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pobrien Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 The last five Jubilees in service were, as mentioned above, 45562/93 45647/75/97, all allocated to Leeds Holbeck (55A). Holbeck closed to steam at the beginning of October 1967, but 45562/93 were used on specials after that date. I believe that 45562's final working was on October 28, 1967, when it retired to Normanton Shed. Here are photos of some of the remaining Jubilees in Holbeck roundhouse https://www.flickr.com/photos/bristolsteam/5672368713/in/album-72157626776473732/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/bristolsteam/5672936694/in/album-72157626776473732/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/bristolsteam/6223243459/in/album-72157626776473732/ Wakefield was closed to steam in May 1967 and used as a dump for engines from other north eastern sheds. Here is a photo of 45647 Sturdee on the shed in the Summer of 1967 https://www.flickr.com/photos/bristolsteam/5743045936/in/album-72157626776473732/ In early December 1967 45562 Alberta had been moved from the shed and stored in sidings close to the shed ready for movement to Tysley for spares for 45593 and then Cashmores of Great Bridge. A poor photo, unfortunately. https://www.flickr.com/photos/bristolsteam/5743046064/in/album-72157626776473732/ As mentioned above, 45690 Leander was a long serving Bristol Barrow Road engine and was withdrawn on March 16, 1964. It was working expresses from Bristol right to the end, failing at Gloucester on Friday March 13 and returning to Bristol for withdrawal. Here is a photo of it some six months earlier, in excellent external condition, approaching Barrow Road Shed with an express from Nottingham https://www.flickr.com/photos/bristolsteam/5132591414/in/album-72157626776473732/ 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pH Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 NOTE - the use of 45562 on the latter railtour is at odds with the withdrawal date quoted above. I took the withdrawal dates I quoted from "The Book of the Jubilee 4-6-0s" published by Irwell. These dates are quite unusual in the book. As far as I can see, all (?) other engines have withdrawal dates of "w/e xx/xx/xx". None of the few which survived into 1967 (45565/694/739 were withdrawn in January 1967) have that detail. At best, they have "month/year". 45562 is quoted as "approx. 9/67" (!) 45593 is "Sept/Oct 1967" 45647 is "April/May 1967" 45675 is "June 1967" 45697 is "September 1967" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold unravelled Posted July 25, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 25, 2017 I've found a couple more, of Alberta sometime in the last week of August 1967. It brings in a train of ballast wagons, drops them in a loop/siding, and returns with the brake van. Can anyone identify the location? Thanks Dave 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted July 25, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 25, 2017 Wasn't there something about York requiring a Holbeck Jubilee in 1967 for crew training on locos with inside cylinders? Sounds like a relic of LNER practice and one which perhaps outlived its practical justification for sentimental reasons? Phil 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Reorte Posted July 27, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 27, 2017 I've found a couple more, of Alberta sometime in the last week of August 1967. It brings in a train of ballast wagons, drops them in a loop/siding, and returns with the brake van. Can anyone identify the location? The fells in the background look like the Howgills, so WCML somewhere near Lowgill? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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