Andy Y Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 The 14XX was a GWR tank locomotive designed for branch line passenger and freight work. Although the design is attributed to Collett, much of the actual locomotive was derived from the earlier 19th century George Armstrong designed 517 Class. Entering service in 1932, in all 75 were built and ran well into the 1960s with 4 surviving into preservation. An autocoach was often combined with a 14XX on many branch line operations. The driving cab on the autocoach meant that the locomotive could be controlled from there and negated the requirement to run the locomotive round at the end of the journey. This format was known as a push-pull train. The Dapol 14XX & autocoach will complement each other very nicely of any GWR based layout. • Die-cast running plate • Fully compensated die-cast chassis • Die-cast and profiled wheels • High level of separately applied detail • Flickering fire light effect • Removable cab roof for ease of posing your locomotive crew • Sprung metal buffers and articulated screw coupling • Dapol’s proven motor and gearbox offering exceptional smooth performance and slow running capabilities • DCC Ready, incorporating Dapol’s new ‘Quick-fit’ DCC and speaker design • Un-numbered versions of each livery will be available so that you can model your local locomotive About to be tooled - expected Q3 2018 15 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MGR Hooper! Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 A surprise announcement. I thought they'll go for the LNER as their next. If their Class 08, and Terrier are anything to go by, it's going to be a beauty. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hartleymartin Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 Well, we now have the set with the Minerva Pannier. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreadnought05 Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 Great news! Looks like I'll be getting at least two of them. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG John Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 Whenever another of these is announced (in any scale), my usual comment is "why can't we have a 517 instead", but at least another useless modern loco means I won't have the expensive distraction of being tempted to model the GWR in O gauge! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hartleymartin Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 I've seen conversions of the OO gauge 14XX to a 517. I imagine that it won't be too difficult to do the same to the O gauge version. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG John Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 I've seen conversions of the OO gauge 14XX to a 517. I imagine that it won't be too difficult to do the same to the O gauge version. Apart from all the dimensions being wrong! I'd do it to my old EM gauge Airfix one, but not to a £225 O gauge one, where all the errors would stick out like a sore thumb. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clearwater Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 Hopefully, they'll read the Hattons /DJM 4mm thread and remember to fit the ash pan! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Prism Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 whooops! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Prism Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 (edited) Topfeed sides should be parallel in side elevation, not significantly tapered: For clarification, top feed casings are pressed, and there is therefore a small release angle necessary. The problem with top feeds is that there appears to be no official drawing, and even the Didcot crew don't know of one. Another complication is that the side-elevation release angle for the 14xx casing is different to that of the Pannier casing. The current graphics Andy Y posted are crude, and I think we will have to await some better ones before a more considered view can be taken. Edited September 3, 2017 by Miss Prism Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Prism Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 Seam joints should not have a crevasse: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGR Hooper! Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 That was fast in finding errors in the intital CAD. Always better to get in touch with Dapol direct though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerald Henriksen Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 That was fast in finding errors in the intital CAD. Always better to get in touch with Dapol direct though. Particularly given the announcement indicates they are about to start tooling, which sounds a bit ominous given the apparent number of easy to find errors. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 It seems Dapol are following their N gauge strategy which is no bad thing, their 0 gauge auto coach should have telegraphed there was an 0-4-2 coming. Maybe they held off until they knew the Hattons strategy with their auto tank so they wouldn't duplicate. Pannier, 45xx and auto tank plus coaches to match, they have the full set don't they. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Prism Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 That was fast in finding errors in the intital CAD. Always better to get in touch with Dapol direct though. I have other comments, but the CADs shown here aren't really good enough to see properly. (Not Andy's fault of course, he's posting only what he's given.) Experience with previous Oxford, DJM and Heljan things indicates that we could be into the "it's all too late to make changes now" situation, which seems to be the norm for RTR stuff these days. Does Dapol read their product threads here? Is this a Richard Webster design? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted September 2, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 2, 2017 Pannier, 45xx and auto tank plus coaches to match, they have the full set don't they. Not if you model the GWR mainline...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim.snowdon Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 Not if you model the GWR mainline...... Not true. The 4-coach sets that came out under the Lionheart label were designated as cross-country stock by the GWR, as were the equivalent 5-coach sets for South Wales. As for the CAD images, what you see is just a rendering, not the actual CAD drawing, so some things will be out of scale in respect to line weights, etc. And the top feed casing - sometimes compromises are necessary just to ensure you can get the component out of the mould. They aren't necessarily avoidable within the limits of cost and practicality. Jim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Western Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 I for one am over the moon with this announcement, and will certainly be placing multiple orders regardless of a rivet counter errors. It does make me cross that instead of praising the model, people seem to take delight in pointing out problem. Maybe if others can do a better job they should fork out 250,000 to do their own? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerald Henriksen Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 I for one am over the moon with this announcement, and will certainly be placing multiple orders regardless of a rivet counter errors. It does make me cross that instead of praising the model, people seem to take delight in pointing out problem. Maybe if others can do a better job they should fork out 250,000 to do their own? I am happy for you (and no, I am not being sarcastic) that you can find enjoyment in a model that is generally speaking the right shape. But for many of us accuracy does matter (not the least of which because, at least until the big money is spent on tooling, it is the cheapest part of the process to get right). If a company expect me to pay £225, or £400 if I want sound, then I expect them to go through the effort at making an accurate model, particularly given how in this day an age there is so much information available to allow them to get it right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve fay Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 With Richard Webster over seeing this project I think the errors will get sorted. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrushType4 Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 I'll have one anyway. It will still be a bargain. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpgibbons Posted September 3, 2017 Share Posted September 3, 2017 (edited) Any view please on whether factory fitted or retrofit sound is the better option for this and other upcoming Dapol/Lionheart releases? Dapol's GBP175 premium for factory sound seems pretty hefty and I assume there are some cheaper and/or better third party options available. Edited September 3, 2017 by dpgibbons Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold tomparryharry Posted September 3, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 3, 2017 Nice. Penygraig auto train. Now my wallet is in trouble. The problem is, is that my 4' shunting plank is now 9' long. Hmmm. Is there a way to obtain Kadee-like couplings, that look more prototypical than 7mm Kadees? I am taken with going towards O gauge. Ian. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGR Hooper! Posted September 3, 2017 Share Posted September 3, 2017 Does Dapol read their product threads here? Is this a Richard Webster design? Exactly why I said contact them directly. The two best ways being contacting them directly via Facebook or the Dapol Digest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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