RMweb Gold papagolfjuliet Posted September 19, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 19, 2017 If you click on "Search preserved railway stocklist" on the left hand side of the page you'll find a much more user-friendly database. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewartingram Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 Go to the UKLocos site, then on the left, click on "Search Preserved Railways Stocklist" Read the instructions on the next page at will, but then click on "Here" at the top of the page (for search page). (Seemed slow when I just checked it). This opens up a seach form, with a green backgound. Fill in the following: General Grouping (Locomotives) Type (0-4-0ST OC Saddle Tank) Builder (Andrew Barclay) Gauge (Std) (This should give what you want, but refine it further if required) Click on the "Make My Search" button. Result: 77 locos. Stewart Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 The difference in wheel centres on the LWB AB's is quite noticeable when viewed in profile. Andrew Barclay 2261 NCB Nellie No 6 18 April 1965 by Charlie Verrall, on Flickr P 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Down_Under Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 Does the LWB result in a a 1ft longer locomotive? Or did the length over buffer beams stay the same and just the wheelbase differ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 Can't be certain but comparing profile pics the overhangs look to be the same with an increase in frame length being between the wheels. So I suppose there may have been a corresponding increase in boiler and tank length. Drawings anybody? P Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Captain Kernow Posted September 20, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 20, 2017 Forgive me if this has been covered before, but are the bodyshells for the 14" and the 16" Barclays essentially the same, or are we looking at two separate entities here? Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyC Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 (edited) Does the LWB result in a a 1ft longer locomotive? Or did the length over buffer beams stay the same and just the wheelbase differ?Differences in the Fife Area amended design were: extended wheelbase (7' rather than 6'), larger water tank (1120 against 1070 gallons) and the boiler was 6 inches longer with a larger grate area (the heating surface was also increased), which suggests the whole loco was longer.(Source A.W. Brotchie's 'The Weymss Private Railway') Edited September 20, 2017 by JeremyC 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyC Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 (edited) Go to the Tanami Desert for a month to come back and find this little beauty! Well done! A questions to Hatton's - Guess that the cabs must be a little bit plug and play to get the combinations with the main body? Do the SWB 16" share the same chassis with the 14" - looks like the cylinders unscrew to allow the change in size? and the chassis extensions look interchangeable <Snip> James <Snip> Also, the chassis' for the 14" & 16" are very slightly different lengths. Whilst the cylinders may be interchangeable between the two, it would be quite tight to do so due to that small difference in length. The wheelbase is different. I have a Barclay GA drawing for 14 inch loco 1890/1926 which gives the wheelbase as 5ft 6ins. (Though whether this is so for all 14" locos is something I have no info on.) Edited September 20, 2017 by JeremyC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
9402 Fredrick Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 Is there a possible way to fit a sound decoder & speaker into one of these? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 and a smoke generator, and smokebox glow, working lamps, and an animated driver shoveling coal into the firebox and drinking tea, and... and... did I forget anything??? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 Forgive me if this has been covered before, but are the bodyshells for the 14" and the 16" Barclays essentially the same, or are we looking at two separate entities here? Thanks. Hatton's OO Gauge Andrew Barclay 14” & 16” 0-4-0ST H4-AB14-006_announcement.jpg Andrew Barclay Sons & Co. were a locomotive building company based in Kilmarnock, Scotland. They became known for producing their standardised saddle tank locomotives, mainly for industrial use. They had a small selection of options available to prospective buyers such as alternative cabs, cylinders, chimneys and tanks. The most numerous type produced were the 14” & 16” versions, referring to the diameter of the cylinders. Thousands of 0-4-0s were built by Andrew Barclay starting in the late 1800s. Many survived longer than mainline steam under BR, with some still running in the late 1970s. Over 100 are believed to be preserved across the UK. We are producing a total of eight 14” versions and four 16” versions in a wide variety of liveries and including the variations that would have originally been available from Andrew Barclay themselves. Variations Include: Two different cab front windows Four different cab rear windows Two types of buffer shanks Two types of buffers Tank steps (where appropriate) Lubricators (where appropriate) Two different front spring heights Two different water tank heights ABDetailMatrix.jpg Model Specifications: RP25 wheel profile 6-pin DCC socket in tanks 5-pole motor All wheel pickup NEM coupling pockets Chemically blackened wheels Separately fitted handrails Separately fitted drain cock detailing and oil lubricators Fully detailed and painted cab interior These locomotives are being produced exclusively by Hatton’s and are available to pre-order now for £99 each on www.hattons.co.uk/barclay. Variations Available to Order: AB-ProductTable.PNG We're currently at the First EP stage which you can see below. Delivery is scheduled to be during January/February 2018. AB_RMW.jpg Looks like they could be different, judging by the tables. Two of the variants offered have high tanks and the rest low, and then there are the cab variants. Kit of parts basically. I ordered the Fina one, not because its going to retain that identity five minutes beyond unwrapping it, but because it ticked the most boxes for the particular version I want Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Decorum Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 Is there a possible way to fit a sound decoder & speaker into one of these? I’d be intrested to know that too. Apparently the answer is “yes” for the P Class. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruston Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 I wonder if Hattons are going to do a factory-weathered Thomas Muir livery? 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mel_H Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 (edited) It's one of those, earworm/where have I heard that before compositions. Mr Waterman (as S,A &W) has to bear a percentage of the responsibility. I'm embarrassed to say I know the answer. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You_Spin_Me_Round_(Like_a_Record) P Yes, I recognised the tune. Just wondered if the version you used is commercially available? I'm a bit partial to the old accordian... [retreats, carefully] Edited September 20, 2017 by Mel_H Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cal.n Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 I wonder if Hattons are going to do a factory-weathered Thomas Muir livery? DSC00786.jpg DSC00781w.jpg Are they the ones on the roof viewable from the train near Kirkcaldy? I am a regular traveller on that line and have often wondered why and think i'm making it up. I assume they are past any hope of preservation now? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Dava Posted September 20, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 20, 2017 Are they the ones on the roof viewable from the train near Kirkcaldy? I am a regular traveller on that line and have often wondered why and think i'm making it up. I assume they are past any hope of preservation now? Locos from the Muir yard, and Barclays in similar condition, have been restored to working order. They are tough wee beasties. Dava Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 31A Posted September 20, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 20, 2017 Are they the ones on the roof viewable from the train near Kirkcaldy? I am a regular traveller on that line and have often wondered why and think i'm making it up. I assume they are past any hope of preservation now? Yes I've seen those engines near Kirkcaldy from the train sometimes and wondered whether I'd imagined it! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Decorum Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 Locos from the Muir yard, and Barclays in similar condition, have been restored to working order. They are tough wee beasties. Dava It’s far too easy to say, “Someone should...” as I sit in my armchair but wouldn’t it be nice if they could be taken to somewhere safe and painted or covered in waste oil to stop deterioration until someone is ready to tackle the job? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 It’s far too easy to say, “Someone should...” as I sit in my armchair but wouldn’t it be nice if they could be taken to somewhere safe and painted or covered in waste oil to stop deterioration until someone is ready to tackle the job? I can vaguely recall some discussion of this after I first discovered them myself - they are just round the corner from my brother's place - and seemingly for some unfathomable reason Thomas Muir's have been unco-operative. Don't know why, a couple of the Wemyss austerities escaped from their yard and are still chuffing around. Mind you I'm idly curious to know where this pair came from originally Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Hattons Dave Posted September 21, 2017 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted September 21, 2017 Hi all, As requested, here's the dimensions of the chassis frames for the 16" Andrew Barclay. Cheers, Dave 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Corbs Posted September 21, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 21, 2017 (edited) It’s far too easy to say, “Someone should...” as I sit in my armchair but wouldn’t it be nice if they could be taken to somewhere safe and painted or covered in waste oil to stop deterioration until someone is ready to tackle the job? EDITED Similarly, there was an Avonside 0-6-0ST deteriorating outside J Doyle scrapyard for many years. https://bestieboy.smugmug.com/Trains/Miscellaneous-Steam-Locos/i-GhzQzBh/0/M/1600-Avonside-0-6-0ST-J-Doyle-M.jpg Edited September 21, 2017 by Corbs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold papagolfjuliet Posted September 21, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 21, 2017 (off topic) Similarly, there's an Avonside 0-6-0ST deteriorating outside John Marrow Engineering in Manchester. https://bestieboy.smugmug.com/Trains/Miscellaneous-Steam-Locos/i-GhzQzBh/0/M/1600-Avonside-0-6-0ST-J-Doyle-M.jpg That one has been rescued and is now at Bryn Engineering near Bolton. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruston Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 I can vaguely recall some discussion of this after I first discovered them myself - they are just round the corner from my brother's place - and seemingly for some unfathomable reason Thomas Muir's have been unco-operative. Don't know why, a couple of the Wemyss austerities escaped from their yard and are still chuffing around. Mind you I'm idly curious to know where this pair came from originally There are actually four of them, all 0-4-0STs and each slightly different. I think they are all former NCB engines. There's also a North British 0-4-0 diesel that seems to be still on rails, next to the road where there was a level crossing to connect to the mainline but it's easily missed as it has trees growing round and through it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Corbs Posted September 21, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 21, 2017 That one has been rescued and is now at Bryn Engineering near Bolton. You're right! Sorry I had gotten confused - the big clue was the J DOYLE sign in the picture. Good news in any case Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 As requested, here's the dimensions of the chassis frames for the 16" Andrew Barclay. Once again, thanks very much. That's very helpful. There are actually four of them, all 0-4-0STs and each slightly different. I think they are all former NCB engines. https://goo.gl/maps/6sfNPTdWTSw P Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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