RMweb Premium finelines Posted April 4, 2010 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 4, 2010 My lads are reeling from the shock of what they are finding in Chivers Finelines, but there is the best kept secret even they don’t know about, the last three unissued kits in etched brass. Two of them would only be of interest to a limited audience but one I think would have a wider following: the Birdcage Continental Utility Van. Are there enough people to make it worth finishing off? Roger Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
micklner Posted April 4, 2010 Share Posted April 4, 2010 what is it ?? never heard of it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Max Stafford Posted April 4, 2010 Share Posted April 4, 2010 Is it some kind of NE design? Dave. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Martin Posted April 4, 2010 Share Posted April 4, 2010 Presumably the three brake vans built by the Southern for use on the Night Ferry? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pennine MC Posted April 4, 2010 Share Posted April 4, 2010 Southern e-group, second picture down Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted April 4, 2010 Share Posted April 4, 2010 Southern e-group, second picture down Ah. Yes Roger, it would. Adam Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
number6 Posted April 4, 2010 Share Posted April 4, 2010 Definitely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
10800 Posted April 4, 2010 Share Posted April 4, 2010 YES (what were the other two?) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Y Posted April 4, 2010 Share Posted April 4, 2010 Roger, put me down for one too if you do! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allegheny1600 Posted April 4, 2010 Share Posted April 4, 2010 Hi Roger, I take it that these vans ran in France? If so (& it's a long shot!) i just wondered if there would be any scope in doing a H0 version also - for the French market as well as the (very small!) British H0 market?!? I'd have one in H0! Cheers, John E. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted April 5, 2010 Share Posted April 5, 2010 Hi Roger, I take it that these vans ran in France? If so (& it's a long shot!) i just wondered if there would be any scope in doing a H0 version also - for the French market as well as the (very small!) British H0 market?!? I'd have one in H0! Cheers, John E. They ran in France, though only on the 'Night Ferry' as far as Gare du Nord, I believe. There were a similar number of SNCF four-wheeled fourgon which worked the opposing workings. After they ceased to be used on the Night Ferry (only the SNCF vans were used in its last years), they went into the general pool of ex-SR vans, and wandered far and wide. I saw S3S, resplendent in Rail Blue and somewhat cleaner than the photo, at Swansea High Street in 1971 or 1972. I could be tempted by one of these- shame it's not plastic..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted April 5, 2010 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 5, 2010 S1/2/3S I'll have one please. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hayfield Posted April 5, 2010 Share Posted April 5, 2010 Please forgive me for hijacking this thread slightly, but I brought this old Chivers kit secondhand in the late 80's, firstly in answer to the comment 'pity its not in plastic' I put this together 20+ years ago when I had very little skills in soldering, but the main bits soldered up easily and the detail parts were superglued (I would solder these now). As can be seen the paint finish is a bit thin in the picture but not in the flesh (from memory I used clear etched primer and a Precision spray can)before I give it another coat (I have an air brush now) are the door handles etc painted or brass please as they will need fitting either pre or post painting (thanks for the photo link). And is there a better roof available, as I can never get these vac formed roofs right. Back to the thread I would be interested in buying other variants as I realy enjoyed building this van, are they available or will they be? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium finelines Posted April 5, 2010 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted April 5, 2010 See: My link for the rebirth of Chivers Finelines Etched kits, but this is not a rebirth, it is a new birth! Roger Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Godfrey Glyn Posted April 5, 2010 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 5, 2010 Roger, please put me down for two! Many thanks for letting us encourage you to produce this kit! Godfrey Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Re6/6 Posted April 5, 2010 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 5, 2010 YES please, put me down for one! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold griffgriff Posted April 5, 2010 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 5, 2010 I believe 'Dibber' may be able to assist with some background information on these vehicles... He wrote some articles in Model Rail a while back on the Night Ferry and the 'van' in question in particular. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigwelsh Posted April 6, 2010 Share Posted April 6, 2010 I believe 'Dibber' may be able to assist with some background information on these vehicles... He wrote some articles in Model Rail a while back on the Night Ferry and the 'van' in question in particular. Model Rail released the etched kit of the SNCF vans I believe when they were doing those articles. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pixie Posted April 7, 2010 Share Posted April 7, 2010 I saw S3S, resplendent in Rail Blue and somewhat cleaner than the photo, at Swansea High Street in 1971 or 1972. How am I meant to resist one when you say things like that Brian? Roger - I'm in for one if you decide to push on with the kit. Pix Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Etched Pixels Posted April 7, 2010 Share Posted April 7, 2010 My lads are reeling from the shock of what they are finding in Chivers Finelines, but there is the best kept secret even they don’t know about, the last three unissued kits in etched brass. Two of them would only be of interest to a limited audience but one I think would have a wider following: the Birdcage Continental Utility Van. Are there enough people to make it worth finishing off? Roger I'd love one but alas probably about half the size you have in mind.. Alan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sailor Charon Posted March 7, 2011 Share Posted March 7, 2011 Well, I see I'm not the only one who'd like one... if it was in N. How hard would it be to scale down the etchings? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted March 8, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 8, 2011 2 please Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dibber25 Posted March 8, 2011 Share Posted March 8, 2011 Model Rail released the etched kit of the SNCF vans I believe when they were doing those articles. Indeed, we did. The kit we sold was made by Mike Radford (MARC Models)who can, I'm sure, still supply them, so I'm inclined to think that producing another etched kit would be a waste of effort. We don't have any left at Model Rail, however. Mike also did the two SNCF Fourgons (with and without guard's compartment. All these models were to 4mm:1ft scale to run with the Night Ferry sleeping cars which Mike also produced for us. The great thing about the Southern birdcage vans was that they ran in Wagons-Lits dark blue, to match the Night Ferry sleeping cars. (The SNCF vehicles were in that railway's dark green). CHRIS LEIGH Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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