RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted December 3, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 3, 2018 Actually I have a couple of the old Baccy Nelsons and so could try one of those tenders behind one of my Schools...................................... Ideally just the body, mounted on a bogie tender chassis from a Hornby King Arthur, with the tender pickups and compatibility to make the whole project much simpler. However, I'm still looking for a cheap non-runner to provide the necessary, myself.... John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold toboldlygo Posted December 4, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 4, 2018 Ideally just the body, mounted on a bogie tender chassis from a Hornby King Arthur, with the tender pickups and compatibility to make the whole project much simpler. However, I'm still looking for a cheap non-runner to provide the necessary, myself.... John As the budget option, I'd agree - I personally will wait for a Hornby High-sided LN tender to appear on a certain auction site, before attempting the Schools/LN Hybrid myself (unless Hornby announce it first) Besides ANTB Members are keeping very busy with GW work atm. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack P Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 I've got this Bachman Lord Nelson tender for that very reason - a 'neverwas' in this livery but will make an interesting model! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cor-onGRT4 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 It looks like 'Sir Francis Drake' arrived today at Hornby, out of stock directly also Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 It looks like 'Sir Francis Drake' arrived today at Hornby, out of stock directly also I hope there are enough of them in the country to satisfy pre-orders! It makes me wonder if I should pre-order a Princess Coronation 6221 'Queen Elizabeth', described as 'due December' by Hornby but Jan 2019 by most retailers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cor-onGRT4 Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 (edited) I hope there are enough of them in the country to satisfy pre-orders! It makes me wonder if I should pre-order a Princess Coronation 6221 'Queen Elizabeth', described as 'due December' by Hornby but Jan 2019 by most retailers. It seems 6221 also arrived , not on new arrivals or else but only under loco class to find, not sold out still in stock you can order from Horny. Hornby is also expecting for this month a lot of Maunsell coaches in coming soon, i am only wondering if all will be in stock in shops this year on time. Edited December 12, 2018 by Cor-onGRT4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 R3623 or Princess Coronation 6221 may well be in the country and imminently available, as is R3634 'Sir Francis Drake' SR 851... the latter described as 'only one left'. I am a tiny bit sceptical about the 'only one left', I have to say, but look forward in particular to the Lord Nelson, having pre-ordered from a retailer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oliver Rails Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 INCOMING Hornby! The following items (including R3634 Sir Francis Drake) have arrived at Hornby HQ and we expect to take delivery next week: https://railsofsheffield.com/groups/2541/incoming-Hornby 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Brasher Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 There is a review of Hornby's Lord Nelson and an article about the prototype in the January 2019 Hornby Magazine. There is also an opportunity to win one with a rake of Maunsell coaches in a simple quiz. I was interested to see that the Lord Nelson was the most powerful locomotive in Britain when it was built and that the Merchant Navy class was designed to replace the Lord Nelsons. In Southern Style by John Harvey there are some pictures of Lord Nelsons in malachite green but with British Railways lettering and in British Railways experimental apple green livery and these would be interesting variations for Hornby to model. It looks like an excellent model which was able to haul 10 coaches. I might buy one in Hattons' next Sale of the Century in November 2019. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamespetts Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 "Most powerful" typically meant highest tractive effort, which is not the same thing as power (but was nonetheless a worthwhile measure of an engine's pulling power). 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Brasher Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 I remember seeing a film of a tug of war between a Lord Nelson and two M7s and the Lord Nelson won. I think it was at Eastleigh. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium phil-b259 Posted December 13, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 13, 2018 (edited) There is a review of Hornby's Lord Nelson and an article about the prototype in the January 2019 Hornby Magazine. There is also an opportunity to win one with a rake of Maunsell coaches in a simple quiz. I was interested to see that the Lord Nelson was the most powerful locomotive in Britain when it was built and that the Merchant Navy class was designed to replace the Lord Nelsons. They might have been powerful - but only in the hands of a skilled crew. For all the good PR the Southern put out about them, it remains a fact that they were somewhat difficult machines to handle according to the crews who had to work them* and it was only after Bulleid made various modifications did they actually reach full potential - though this was short lived as the new mans Pacifics started to come on stream. * Compare the Nelsons to the schools class - which did everything and more asked of them from the word go, or even Maunsells tweaked King Arthurs..... Edited December 13, 2018 by phil-b259 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted December 13, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 13, 2018 In BR days they were to a great extent sidelined by Bulleid’s omnipresent Pacifics and found work either as far as Salisbury on the West of England main line or the Bournemouth line.They seemed never to be in the front rank of motive power. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big James Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 (edited) I love the Lord Nelson class. But they did not seem to fit in between the Bulleid Light Pacific’s and the N15’s dominateing everything. And the sidelining must’ve been compounded even more once the Bulleid rebuilding program started en masse and the 5MT’s started entering service a problem I’ve encountered while trying to figure out a timetable for my new layout and with 8 light Pacifics & 6 N15’s it’s beem hard finding a place for the Lord Nelson. But one will still find a home on my layout. But I do have to say that the new Hornby Lord Nelson looks fantastic and I can’t wait for the BR versions to arrive. Big James Edited December 13, 2018 by Big James 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 (edited) I love the Lord Nelson class. But they did not seem to fit in between the Bulleid Light Pacific’s and the N15’s dominateing everything. And the sidelining must’ve been compounded even more once the Bulleid rebuilding program started en masse and the 5MT’s started entering service a problem I’ve encountered while trying to figure out a timetable for my new layout and with 8 light Pacifics & 6 N15’s it’s beem hard finding a place for the Lord Nelson. But one will still find a home on my layout. But I do have to say that the new Hornby Lord Nelson looks fantastic and I can’t wait for the BR versions to arrive. Big James I agree and can't wait for the BR versions. There was ultimately very little wrong with the Nelsons apart from being tricky to fire with a 10ft-long grate. If they weren't 'front line' they were very close, and not much could compete with a Merchant Navy! Here is a variation on Mike Wild's Hornby Magazine pic. I have edited the front wheel widths. Done in the style of the Boys Adventure Book of Trains. I note with relief and great admiration that the correct cylinder drains are provided, extending back over the rear bogie wheel. Bravo! Edited December 13, 2018 by robmcg 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big James Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 The Merchant Navy class once rebuilt was in my opinion the best Pacific that BR possessed. And the Lord Nelson is one of the most handsome locomotives ever to run in the UK. Hornby have captured her perfectly and robmcg your pics make her look even more beautiful. And I’m hoping the BR version comes out in March as that’s when my birthday is. Big James Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 I think we can confidently say that Hornby have reached a new level with the Lord Nelson models. I am impressed by the slide bar and valve gear detail, as well as the general look of it, from Mike Wild's Hornby Magazine photo, and my added bits primarily most of the tender , my C&L track, the front wheels, little else. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRman Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 They might have been powerful - but only in the hands of a skilled crew. For all the good PR the Southern put out about them, it remains a fact that they were somewhat difficult machines to handle according to the crews who had to work them* and it was only after Bulleid made various modifications did they actually reach full potential - though this was short lived as the new mans Pacifics started to come on stream. * Compare the Nelsons to the schools class - which did everything and more asked of them from the word go, or even Maunsells tweaked King Arthurs..... In some areas of the SR, the Schools were referred to as 'three-quarter Nelsons'. As an aside, somewhere a while ago there was a photo of a prototype model of a Lord Nelson to be produced by Triang/Triang-Hornby/Hornby (I'm not sure where they were at then!); it may have been in Pat Hammond's book and/or collection, but it took me along time to figure out why it looked so strange. Eventually, I realised it was the cab. They had used a Schools cab on it. Anyway, it never reached production and the model remained a one-off. It is nice to see this new and superb looking rendition from the current Hornby. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted December 17, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 17, 2018 (edited) In some areas of the SR, the Schools were referred to as 'three-quarter Nelsons'. I've heard them called "Half Nelsons" Be nice if my Nelson arrives for Christmas but that is now looking unlikely. Keith Edited December 17, 2018 by melmerby 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNWR18901910 Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 I've got this Bachman Lord Nelson tender for that very reason - a 'neverwas' in this livery but will make an interesting model! I was thinking of getting a tender like that for my SR Maunsell Y Class 2-8-0 'Black Beetle' freight locomotive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JZ Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 I wonder if Hornby will now do a Schools with the Lord Nelson Tender? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium brushman47544 Posted December 18, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 18, 2018 It looks like 'Sir Francis Drake' arrived today at Hornby, out of stock directly also Showing as back in stock and available to order on Hornby website. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 Showing as back in stock and available to order on Hornby website. What a curious thing. The R3623 LMS Coronation blue 6221 'Queen Elizabeth' in now out of stock at Hornby, but retailers are still waiting for their ordered R3634 SR 851 'Sir Francis Drake'. Mind you, I'm not expecting Hornby to deliver to every retailer on the same day. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamespetts Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 I rather suspect that this is a glitch with the stock system (i.e. showing out of stock rather than not available yet shortly before stocks are due in, as appears to have happened with the Lord Nelson). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oliver Rails Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 We have just taken delivery of the Hornby OO Gauge R3634 'Sir Francis Drake' Southern Green Lord Nelson Class 4-6-0 Steam Locomotive No.851 £153.00 with FREE UK Postage Click here to view more info 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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