Guest Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 I did get a mail from Lenz. They say that the new system SET101 will be delivery feb. 2019. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold RFS Posted December 3, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 3, 2018 I did get a mail from Lenz. They say that the new system SET101 will be delivery feb. 2019. I've seen variously "late 2018" and "winter 2018" so I assume it's now the latter ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ron Ron Posted December 3, 2018 Author Share Posted December 3, 2018 I did get a mail from Lenz. They say that the new system SET101 will be delivery feb. 2019. It's only 8 years since they announced the intention to introduce this updated system. What's the problem with another few months wait, in the Lenz space time continuum? . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted December 3, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 3, 2018 (edited) Some of you may already be aware, but for those who haven't spotted it yet, .......A&H Models will be offering the Lenz LH101 Exchange Programme from October. https://www.aandhmodels.co.uk/21101exchange-lh101-hand-controller-lenz-exchange-programme-54840-p.asp . Just tried the link and no joy. Has the exchange offer been discontinued? Was there an end date/time limit to the offer? I have emailed A&H to try and find out. Cheers, Mick Edited December 3, 2018 by newbryford Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ron Ron Posted December 4, 2018 Author Share Posted December 4, 2018 (edited) Just tried the link and no joy. Has the exchange offer been discontinued? Was there an end date/time limit to the offer? I have emailed A&H to try and find out. Cheers, Mick There's still a page on the A&H web site..... https://www.aandhmodels.co.uk/21101ex-lh101-hand-controller-lenz-exchange-programme-54832-p.asp Whether it is still valid or not, I couldn't say. The exchange offer is still on the Lenz web site, but that gets rather random updates, even for the native German version of the site. The English language pages haven't been available for over a year now. Posted on the 19th November 2018 (2 weeks ago)..... Now exchange LH90 or LH100, how it works: Send in advance your functional and intact LH90 or LH100 to us. In exchange (that is, the sent hand controller remains at Lenz) we will send you the new LH101 for a preferential price of 79 euros plus shipping domestic € 7 against invoice. Shipping abroad for prepayment plus 10 € shipping costs. Of course you can also "swap" more than one hand controller. An offer that you can hardly refuse ... Exchange action for our Swiss model railroaders: Because of the high customs and bank charges (10 €), which we would have to charge, the direct purchase at Lenz is uneconomic. Therefore, we ask our Swiss model trainers to contact our representatives in Switzerland: . Edited December 4, 2018 by Ron Ron Ron Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted December 4, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 4, 2018 There's still a page on the A&H web site..... https://www.aandhmodels.co.uk/21101ex-lh101-hand-controller-lenz-exchange-programme-54832-p.asp Whether it is still valid or not, I couldn't say. The exchange offer is still on the Lenz web site, but that gets rather random updates, even for the native German version of the site. The English language pages haven't been available for over a year now. Posted on the 19th November 2018 (2 weeks ago)..... . Thanks for the link - I couldn't find it on their website. A&H have replied. Yes - the offer is still valid but is taking 2-3 weeks as A&H are awaiting stock from Germany. Cheers. Mick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted December 4, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 4, 2018 Could someone clarify the use of the knob as a speed throttle. I.e does it have a centre off and forward & reverse like a basic DC controller? Or do you need to press a button to reverse? Cheers Keith Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold RFS Posted December 4, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 4, 2018 Could someone clarify the use of the knob as a speed throttle. I.e does it have a centre off and forward & reverse like a basic DC controller? Or do you need to press a button to reverse? Cheers Keith To change direction, you press the centre knob with the loco at speed step 0. If the loco is not at speed step 0 this action does an emergency stop of the loco. In other words similar to the LH100's button. There's now an English version of the LH101 manual on the Lenz website so it might be useful to download and read it before deciding to go for the exchange ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ron Ron Posted December 4, 2018 Author Share Posted December 4, 2018 Page 12 of the user manual...... https://www.lenz-elektronik.de/pdf/b_21101_e.pdf . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tractor_37260 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 (edited) Could someone clarify the use of the knob as a speed throttle. I.e does it have a centre off and forward & reverse like a basic DC controller? Or do you need to press a button to reverse? Cheers Keith There's no centre OFF indent, the dial just goes round and round and around.........loads of times to get higher speed steps, one thing I just don't like about it. As already stated, with the speed at 0 you then press the dial knob to change direction.... Edited December 4, 2018 by tractor_37260 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigelcliffe Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 (edited) There's no centre OFF indent, the dial just goes round and round and around.........loads of times to get higher speed steps, one thing I just don't like about it. Have you tried running the locos in 28 step rather than 128 step mode (in the manual, by coincidence, on page 28) ? That might make the knob more acceptable for those who require a greater speed change with reduced twiddling. The steps (28 vs 128) are set per loco. - Nigel Edited December 4, 2018 by Nigelcliffe Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted December 4, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 4, 2018 (edited) OK Thanks. How does the operation compare to a Multimaus? Keith EDIT I'm looking for a handset to use with a DR5000, whilst also being compatible with the Lenz The Lenz system is not going to change (just now) Edited December 4, 2018 by melmerby Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WIMorrison Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 Keith If you remain using the USB to connect to the DR5000 from TC9 then you could get a Wi-fi Multimaus which I find excellent Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted December 4, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 4, 2018 Keith If you remain using the USB to connect to the DR5000 from TC9 then you could get a Wi-fi Multimaus which I find excellent Hi Iain How does that work then? How's the wi-fi getting to the DR5000 if it's on USB? Cheers Keith Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WIMorrison Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 You use the Wi-fi on the dr5000 with the network protocol set to Z21 and connect the Multimaus to the dr5000 Wi-fi. Works a treat Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted December 4, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 4, 2018 You use the Wi-fi on the dr5000 with the network protocol set to Z21 and connect the Multimaus to the dr5000 Wi-fi. Works a treat That is as well as using the USB to connect to TrainController? Cheers Keith Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WIMorrison Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 Yes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted December 4, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 4, 2018 Yes Excellent Exactly what I am looking for. Thanks Keith Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tractor_37260 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 Have you tried running the locos in 28 step rather than 128 step mode (in the manual, by coincidence, on page 28) ? That might make the knob more acceptable for those who require a greater speed change with reduced twiddling. The steps (28 vs 128) are set per loco. - Nigel Yes I have tried the 28 SS option, most of the sound decoders I use suggest 128 SS are used to better match the loaded sound files. The very fine speed control of the new LH101 would be ideal on a shunting "plank" etc .....the large SS buttons on the older LH100 /128SS , work really well with sound fitted locos..........as does the Roco MultiMaus..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted December 4, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 4, 2018 Is there any difference in the different flavours of Wireless Multimaus? I have seen several different Cat Nos advertised. Gaugemaster have this one: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Roco-10810-Multimaus-Digital-Controller/dp/B002QVJJMG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1543956121&sr=8-1&keywords=roco+multimaus Keith Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WIMorrison Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 AFAiK are all the same under the covers and it is the marketing that has one as black, one as red and the last one grey https://www.roco.cc/en/specials/z21/index.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ron Ron Posted December 4, 2018 Author Share Posted December 4, 2018 (edited) Is there any difference in the different flavours of Wireless Multimaus? I have seen several different Cat Nos advertised. Gaugemaster have this one: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Roco-10810-Multimaus-Digital-Controller/dp/B002QVJJMG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1543956121&sr=8-1&keywords=roco+multimaus Keith AFAiK are all the same under the covers and it is the marketing that has one as black, one as red and the last one grey https://www.roco.cc/en/specials/z21/index.html They are not the same at all. There is only one flavour, or colour, of wireless MultiMaus. The Red and Grey are the original tethered MultiMaus. They are not wireless. Read the Roco link above again ! It describes both types and gives the model numbers underneath the photo of the handsets. The Amazon Gaugemaster link, is for the Red model 10810.... i.e. a tethered MultiMaus. The Black one is the only WiFi version, which is quite different from the Red & Grey, which contain the Command Station (central station, in Roco speak) functionality needed when run in a MultiMaus system, along with the partnering Roco Amplifier (system booster). When used with a Z/z21, or other compatible DCC system, the Red & Grey MultiMaus operates only as a throttle, with the Command Station element inactive. The Black WLAN MultiMaus is purely a WiFi equipped throttle. . Edited December 4, 2018 by Ron Ron Ron Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WIMorrison Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 Ron - you can't go by the colour as they also make a blue one, and even a purple one and I am certain I have seen a red one. And remember that they are sold as Roco and Fleischmann. I agree that the grey one is generally wired, but as Keith was asking about Wi-Fi models I answered for Wi-Fi Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ron Ron Posted December 4, 2018 Author Share Posted December 4, 2018 (edited) Ron - you can't go by the colour as they also make a blue one, and even a purple one and I am certain I have seen a red one. And remember that they are sold as Roco and Fleischmann. Iain, I think you will find that the Blue and Purple models are the respective colours (Roco and Fleischmann), of the discontinued MultiMausPRO handsets. The MultiMausPRO handsets can only be used with the Roco/Fleischmann MultiZENTRALEPRO wireless system, which uses a different wireless protocol (ZigBee) to the current WLAN MultiMaus. The two (Blue/Purple versus Black) are not interchangeable. Like the WLAN (WiFi) MultiMaus handset, the MultiMAUSPRO handset lacks the Command Station functionality of the tethered MultMaus and therefore cannot be used with the regular MultiMaus system. . Edited December 6, 2018 by Ron Ron Ron Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted December 4, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 4, 2018 (edited) So this is the only Wireless one ?(again Gaugemaster & same price): https://www.amazon.co.uk/Roco-10813-WLAN-multi-mouse/dp/B06XD58SNQ/ref=pd_sbs_21_1?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B06XD58SNQ&pd_rd_r=4ec6f265-f816-11e8-86d7-999970af618b&pd_rd_w=HQPaB&pd_rd_wg=CWSGl&pf_rd_i=desktop-dp-sims&pf_rd_m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&pf_rd_p=18edf98b-139a-41ee-bb40-d725dd59d1d3&pf_rd_r=PM5GTY8RCERSG1XJP580&pf_rd_s=desktop-dp-sims&pf_rd_t=40701&psc=1&refRID=PM5GTY8RCERSG1XJP580 Keith Edited December 4, 2018 by melmerby Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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