rob D2 Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 I’d put the “ freighliner “ at a high speed angle, in the top black stripe Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TravisM Posted February 13, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 13, 2021 I see that a large percentage of the model have been sold at Hatton’s, especially the EWS and DB versions, just leaving the odd few DRS, GBRf and Freightliner ones. Just wonder if there’s a second rerun announcement around the corner Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium ERIC ALLTORQUE Posted February 13, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 13, 2021 Anyone got 66740 Sarah,or more has theres got nameplates on it, or are they all missing the nameplate? The full priced 66756 is down to eleven in stock now so the last Europorte livery will be gone soon. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrB Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 20 minutes ago, ERIC ALLTORQUE said: Anyone got 66740 Sarah,or more has theres got nameplates on it, or are they all missing the nameplate? The full priced 66756 is down to eleven in stock now so the last Europorte livery will be gone soon. I have Sarah, the nameplates are optional and come in a sealed bag unfitted. It was perfect for re-numbering, which I've done to 66733. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted February 14, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 14, 2021 19 hours ago, ERIC ALLTORQUE said: Anyone got 66740 Sarah,or more has theres got nameplates on it, or are they all missing the nameplate? The full priced 66756 is down to eleven in stock now so the last Europorte livery will be gone soon. They weren't supplied with the original batch. I sent them an email and they sent me a set. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin_l_jones Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 On 13/02/2021 at 15:07, jools1959 said: I see that a large percentage of the model have been sold at Hatton’s, especially the EWS and DB versions, just leaving the odd few DRS, GBRf and Freightliner ones. Just wonder if there’s a second rerun announcement around the corner A second batch would be really good for Hatton's, I would have thought it would help pay for the tooling and investment in the project. Although saying that the first batch was quite large to start with. I guess there needs to be a lessons learnt review, visit all the issues, resolve the problems implement change and then run a second batch. There are still lots to go at, latest DB red, DB Maritime livery and lots of celebrities.... Lets hope so... 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TravisM Posted February 14, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 14, 2021 (edited) 31 minutes ago, martin_l_jones said: A second batch would be really good for Hatton's, I would have thought it would help pay for the tooling and investment in the project. Although saying that the first batch was quite large to start with. I guess there needs to be a lessons learnt review, visit all the issues, resolve the problems implement change and then run a second batch. There are still lots to go at, latest DB red, DB Maritime livery and lots of celebrities.... Lets hope so... I agree as well and Hatton’s need to see a return on their investment with a second, maybe a third announcement. I think the first batch, though impressive, I think overwhelmed both Hatton’s as well as the public. If there is a second announcement, maybe a dozen proposed with popular liveries and then listen to feedback regarding previous issues and further liveries. Even though I’ve got the Hornby version, I’m hoping that Hatton’s do DBC 66109 “Teesport Express” and I can run it on my Boston steel train like the photographs . Edited February 14, 2021 by jools1959 Typo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black 5 Bear Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 2 minutes ago, jools1959 said: I agree as well and Hatton’s need to see a return on their investment with a second, maybe a third announcement. I think the first batch, though impressive, I think overwhelmed both Hatton’s as well as the public. If there is a second announcement, maybe a dozen proposed with popular liveries and then listen to feedback regarding previous issues and further liveries. Even though I’ve got the Hornby version, I’m hoping that Hatton’s do DBC 66109 “Teesport Express” and I can run it on my Boston steel train like the photographs. I asked the very same questions of Hattons as to whether they would produce the PD Ports livery 66. The answer was never say never, however we don't intend duplicating 66 liveries which have recently been modelled. Not only do Hornby do their version, but Bachmann have produced a limited edition in that livery which is still currently available. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
37501 Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 Never mind celebrities, I would welcome a 66 in standard EWS livery with the correct font on the body side... John 2 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pre Grouping fan Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 44 minutes ago, martin_l_jones said: A second batch would be really good for Hatton's, I would have thought it would help pay for the tooling and investment in the project. My understanding from reading an old Bachmann Times is that the initial costs like tooling and research have to be able to be covered by the first run as one of the considerations for new models. I suspect this is the same for Hattons and others and they have well and truly covered their costs that with the amount of models they produced. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomScrut Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 6 minutes ago, Pre Grouping fan said: My understanding from reading an old Bachmann Times is that the initial costs like tooling and research have to be able to be covered by the first run as one of the considerations for new models. I suspect this is the same for Hattons and others and they have well and truly covered their costs that with the amount of models they produced. It depends on how each company wants to account for the tooling costs. How much would Bachmann charge if they tooled up a new 66? I expect far north of £150. 58 minutes ago, martin_l_jones said: A second batch would be really good for Hatton's I disagreed with a lot of the statements to this effect a few months ago, now they have shifted most of them I expect they might be looking at it. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TravisM Posted February 14, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 14, 2021 39 minutes ago, Black 5 Bear said: Not only do Hornby do their version, but Bachmann have produced a limited edition in that livery which is still currently available. I’ve never seen or heard about one being produced. Anyone got any ideas of where one can be acquired? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium spamcan61 Posted February 14, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 14, 2021 21 minutes ago, jools1959 said: I’ve never seen or heard about one being produced. Anyone got any ideas of where one can be acquired? This one maybe? not my era or retailer :- https://www.oliviastrains.com/trains/mt/Bachmann-diesel/Bachmann-class-66/Bachmann-class-66-pd-ports-66109-teesport-express-in-pd-ports-db-schenker-livery/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black 5 Bear Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 40 minutes ago, jools1959 said: I’ve never seen or heard about one being produced. Anyone got any ideas of where one can be acquired? Bachmann / Rainbow Class 66 '66109 'Teesport Express' PD Ports / DB Schenker £240.00 Still available from ttcdiecast which was the former Loughborough model centre. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TravisM Posted February 14, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 14, 2021 39 minutes ago, spamcan61 said: This one maybe? not my era or retailer :- https://www.oliviastrains.com/trains/mt/Bachmann-diesel/Bachmann-class-66/Bachmann-class-66-pd-ports-66109-teesport-express-in-pd-ports-db-schenker-livery/ At £240 a pop for just a DC version, I think I’ll pass. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomScrut Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 1 hour ago, Black 5 Bear said: Bachmann have produced a limited edition in that livery which is still currently available. Is that true though? I interpret that to mean a limited edition like 720 or 721 for example. The ones we have had linked so far ar resprays as far as I can tell. Olivia's is under "customised by Olivia's" on their site and the ttcdiecast if it has Rainbow in the name will probably be a respray. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black 5 Bear Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 I was told by ttcdiecast that the PD ports 66 was a special commission for them by Bachmann. I think they did the same with the Class 40 D200 in its BR green guise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin_l_jones Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 8 minutes ago, Black 5 Bear said: I was told by ttcdiecast that the PD ports 66 was a special commission for them by Bachmann. I think they did the same with the Class 40 D200 in its BR green guise. It’s actually a Rainbow Railways respray. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black 5 Bear Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 12 minutes ago, TomScrut said: Is that true though? I interpret that to mean a limited edition like 720 or 721 for example. The ones we have had linked so far ar resprays as far as I can tell. Olivia's is under "customised by Olivia's" on their site and the ttcdiecast if it has Rainbow in the name will probably be a respray. Apologies, from the text on the advert you're spot on. It clearly states they are indeed resprays which isn't what I was told during a conversation with the shop concerned. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
metman Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 3 hours ago, newbryford said: They weren't supplied with the original batch. I sent them an email and they sent me a set. Mine arrived in a small packed from Hattons and without requesting them. On another matter, I have received 6 different 66's and not had any issues. Should I do the lottery next week? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir TophamHatt Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 On 13/02/2021 at 15:07, jools1959 said: I see that a large percentage of the model have been sold at Hatton’s, especially the EWS and DB versions, just leaving the odd few DRS, GBRf and Freightliner ones. Just wonder if there’s a second rerun announcement around the corner This is the big question. After the EWS one didn't really work out for me, I've now invested in some container wagons and am looking at a matching Freightliner 66 to pull them. The question is, do I wait and see if any issues are resolved or buy now and hope for the best (not entirely confident with fixing any issues)? They're as cheap as they're gonna get right now and I'd be saving money even if buying a sound chip separate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGR Hooper! Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 11 hours ago, metman said: Mine arrived in a small packed from Hattons and without requesting them. On another matter, I have received 6 different 66's and not had any issues. Should I do the lottery next week? YES!!! Seriously.... YES! 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob D2 Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 16 minutes ago, Sir TophamHatt said: This is the big question. After the EWS one didn't really work out for me, I've now invested in some container wagons and am looking at a matching Freightliner 66 to pull them. The question is, do I wait and see if any issues are resolved or buy now and hope for the best (not entirely confident with fixing any issues)? They're as cheap as they're gonna get right now and I'd be saving money even if buying a sound chip separate. Why would they fix them ? They dumped the price and got rid of most of them, they’ve seen various people re-engineering them to get them working..... they completely disengaged with this thread, and went underground . 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomScrut Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 24 minutes ago, rob D2 said: Why would they fix them ? Once they have got rid of most of the stock on the shelves then they'd maybe look at tweaking the design to overcome issues. I expect that if they sorted the issues then people would buy these in the shed load (pun intended) at the original RRP or a 2021 inflated figure. Most of the problems wouldn't need significant amounts of retooling I don't think. The axle boxes could be massively improved with new outer bogie and cover toolings, the circuit board issues (logic functions not working) are simply a manufacturing issue, and the light bleed and lack of glue are also curable with manufacturing process. That is assuming they have covered the tooling off in this run and it doesn't owe them anything. If it does still owe them then that's another reason for them to work with it. OTOH the fact they went straight to grading their O gauge coaches off the boat doesn't fill me with confidence. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob D2 Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 35 minutes ago, TomScrut said: Once they have got rid of most of the stock on the shelves then they'd maybe look at tweaking the design to overcome issues. I expect that if they sorted the issues then people would buy these in the shed load (pun intended) at the original RRP or a 2021 inflated figure. Most of the problems wouldn't need significant amounts of retooling I don't think. The axle boxes could be massively improved with new outer bogie and cover toolings, the circuit board issues (logic functions not working) are simply a manufacturing issue, and the light bleed and lack of glue are also curable with manufacturing process. That is assuming they have covered the tooling off in this run and it doesn't owe them anything. If it does still owe them then that's another reason for them to work with it. OTOH the fact they went straight to grading their O gauge coaches off the boat doesn't fill me with confidence. Thing is , first thing they need to do is acknowledge there were problems. They’ve never done this publically . I’m not sure if that’s due to any legal implications or intransigence , but a “ no blame “ culture doesn’t seem to exist here, Maybe they’ll just make some more, price them lower than their last starting point, and rely on YouTube videos of “ how I fixed my Axleboxes in 2025 “ to come out 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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