Oakydoke Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 So we Have GWR, Southern and now LNER, all we need is the LMS to take back the west coast and we will have arrived in 1923, sorry 2023!! Seriously who’d have thought that 95 years after the grouping that three of the ‘big four’ would still be working the main lines! Grayling made a big play about bring track and trains closer together under future ECML plans. Could LNER be the prelude to separating out the ECML infrastructure from NR, to form a joint rail and train operating company, that could be sold off, lock stock and barrel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckymucklebackit Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 Nobody has confirmed any sort of name yet. I wouldn't be surprised if they go back to "East Coast" Why pay a design consultancy millions if you already have all the artwork and designs Hope not - it was perhaps the dreariest of all the post privatization liveries Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oakydoke Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 (edited) Nobody has confirmed any sort of name yet. I wouldn't be surprised if they go back to "East Coast" Why pay a design consultancy millions if you already have all the artwork and designs The DafT have said the new operator is to be called LNER. https://www.gov.uk/government/news/lner-to-run-east-coast-mainline-services-from-london-to-yorkshire-the-north-east-and-scotland "London North Eastern Railway (LNER) is taking over the running of your East Coast Mainline services from 24 June 2018.". Edited May 16, 2018 by Oakydoke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 So we Have GWR, Southern and now LNER, all we need is the LMS to take back the west coast and we will have arrived in 1923, sorry 2023!! Seriously who’d have thought that 95 years after the grouping that three of the ‘big four’ would still be working the main lines! We've already had London Midland (now LNWR(WMT)) and Scot Rail. Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LBRJ Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 I know it's only a name, but it smacks of another case of "all we have to do is go back into the past and all will be well". Wallowing in the past as though it was a better world. Saying something twice does not make it any more true. The same as the rather classy GNER and Flying Scotsman strapline, it is a reflection on when the railways were glamourous and the pre-eminent from of travel. Surely that is more appealing to the aesthetics than "Virgin East Coast" - I mean what's all that about? Where is the reference to it being a railway even? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted May 16, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 16, 2018 (edited) Nobody has confirmed any sort of name yet. I wouldn't be surprised if they go back to "East Coast" Why pay a design consultancy millions if you already have all the artwork and designs Whatever they decide on, repeated precedent suggests it might be best for all logos and branding to be attached with Velcro. John Edited May 16, 2018 by Dunsignalling 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckymucklebackit Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 So we Have GWR, Southern and now LNER, all we need is the LMS to take back the west coast and we will have arrived in 1923, sorry 2023!! Seriously who’d have thought that 95 years after the grouping that three of the ‘big four’ would still be working the main lines! But London Midland has further regressed to London North Western! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 They could've got the perspective of the wheels right, this is risible: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Reorte Posted May 16, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 16, 2018 Whatever they decide on, repeated precedent suggests it might be best for all logos and branding to be attached with Velcro. John The last thing they'll want is to see another brand coming unstuck, literally in that case! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckymucklebackit Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 http://www.lnerailway.co.uk/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trains4U Posted May 16, 2018 Author Share Posted May 16, 2018 Apologies, I hadn't realised the government were actually organised and figured out a name beforehand! The new logo looks remarkably like the old GNER one, with the bold NE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold scottystitch Posted May 16, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 16, 2018 Saying something twice does not make it any more true. The same as the rather classy GNER and Flying Scotsman strapline, it is a reflection on when the railways were glamourous and the pre-eminent from of travel. Surely that is more appealing to the aesthetics than "Virgin East Coast" - I mean what's all that about? Where is the reference to it being a railway even? I agree largely with the sentiment, but I think the full title is "Virgin Trains East Coast"....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted May 16, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 16, 2018 The last thing they'll want is to see another brand coming unstuck, literally in that case! Maybe they could make the transfers bio-degradable so they disappear without trace after a couple of years, just like the franchisees......... John 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trains4U Posted May 16, 2018 Author Share Posted May 16, 2018 I sense the sinister forces of the model railway industry at hand here... Don't underestimate the lengths Hornby will go to, to avoid paying licencing fees to Virgin for the East Coast IEP models... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdvle Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 But VTEC outperformed East Coast in terms of the amount of revenue they raised for the taxpayers. They just couldn't meet the increasingly large and unacheivable payments required by the contract they overbid for and that the DafT were happy for them to sign up to. Hate to say this, but in fairness to the DafT it is not their responsibility to protect the private sector from submitting impossible bids. If a bid is submitted and meets all the requirements set out in the terms then it should be the case that the bid that returns the greatest amount to the government is the one awarded the franchise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted May 16, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 16, 2018 (edited) Hate to say this, but in fairness to the DafT it is not their responsibility to protect the private sector from submitting impossible bids. If a bid is submitted and meets all the requirements set out in the terms then it should be the case that the bid that returns the greatest amount to the government is the one awarded the franchise. Maybe it might work better if franchises were awarded to the second-highest bids, so long as they're not wildly less than the highest. John Edited May 16, 2018 by Dunsignalling 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E3109 Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 That doesn't leave long to unstitch the Virgin embroidery from all those first class seats. Good. Now let's unstitch that man and his dreadful PR Machine from our railway once and for all. He ruined the WCML, but hey when you're having a sh*t at least the toilet talks to you (in the most patronising manner). Rather leave the door open and be caught with my keks down, than go through that bollox ever again. Any respect I had left for that fella evaporated when he was wandering about the line in Grayrigg without an HV vest. If it were me or anyone else we would've been form oned for that and rightly so. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trains4U Posted May 16, 2018 Author Share Posted May 16, 2018 Good. Better than the present where you have everything named after burger companies and mobile phone operators. The "Emirates, 02 and Red Bull Railway (Brought to you by Sky)" wouldn't work for you then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Reorte Posted May 16, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 16, 2018 Hate to say this, but in fairness to the DafT it is not their responsibility to protect the private sector from submitting impossible bids. If a bid is submitted and meets all the requirements set out in the terms then it should be the case that the bid that returns the greatest amount to the government is the one awarded the franchise. Not if it keeps resulting in this sort of situation, so the question is whether or not it was reasonably foreseable enough. Too high a bid should raise questions about whether or not it's supportable and not just result in automatic awarding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fezza Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 Why is it that companies that fail to comply with contractual commitments and have to be to be bailed out by the state then allowed to bid for more franchises? It's socialism for the rich. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted May 16, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 16, 2018 (edited) Why is it that companies that fail to comply with contractual commitments and have to be to be bailed out by the state then allowed to bid for more franchises? It's socialism for the rich. They should at least be "sin-binned" for say, five years before being permitted to do so, IMO. Trouble is, there's only a small pool of would-be bidders that can't be allowed to diminish too much if HMG is to maintain some illusion of competition. John Edited May 16, 2018 by Dunsignalling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 (edited) The "Emirates, 02 and Red Bull Railway (Brought to you by Sky)" wouldn't work for you then? No thanks. It's one of my pet hates when going to sports events and concerts. If I go to the cricket I'm going to Old Trafford, not the Emirates. Then it's got another name a few months later. I'm not against advertising or sponsorship. Just leave the names alone. Jason Edited May 16, 2018 by Steamport Southport Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold BoD Posted May 16, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 16, 2018 Apologies, I hadn't realised the government were actually organised and figured out a name beforehand! If you didn't know better you would think they saw this coming. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sem34090 Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 Why not call it 'East Coast Joint Stock'? No? Ok... Still, I always thought this one looked good: And this... 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Barry O Posted May 16, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 16, 2018 See DaFT had already spent our money on a new logo.... And the last time "we" ran East coast "we" made money by cutting maintenance to the bone and ran a carp service, on which, the staff were not a happy crew. But why do we continue to "own" network fail, who are absolutely useless and their failing in part have led to all of this. In a normal contract Network Fail would have lost billions in liquidated damages across all of the franchises. But, as it is state owned we just pay for their inability to deliver the rail infrastructure... Baz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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