Wentworth Junction

[PaulCheffus]

24 minutes ago, Michael Edge said:

, I was under the impression that the EM1s were fitted with a telephone system via the OLE to talk to each other but there is no mention of this at all.

Hi

 

Me too and I thought it was called something like the clear call system. Maybe it was implemented after this accident.

 

Cheers

 

Paul

[John76]

Have a look at this photo. Note the date and read the associated comments. 

 

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My guess is that at the time of the accident, the banking locomotive 26038 hadn't been converted (and never was) to MU operation and probably didn't have the clear call system installed.

 

John

[Michael Edge]

That seems to answer that question, I had thought Clear Call was fitted earlier.

[Michael Edge]

Pantographs fitted to the EM1 now.

First on the test track.

Under the first section of OLE on the layout.

Finally a short video (from the phone), shows the pans rising as it leaves the tunnel, eventually flicking up as the loco goes off the wire. I really must remember to turn off the radio next time....

I've tried experimenting with some springy wire under the heads to stop them tilting too far when running through the fiddle yard, it does seem to work but they are a bit too visible and they also prevent the pans from locking down now - although this won't be necessary on WJ.

I'll start painting it now.

[5BarVT]

7 hours ago, Michael Edge said:

I was under the impression that the EM1s were fitted with a telephone system via the OLE to talk to each other but there is no mention of this at all.

That’s interesting, and being DC, should have been easy (1500V capacitors permitting!).  However, it was probably very ‘dirty’ DC so likely that communication was not easy so had fallen out of use.

Paul.

[cheesysmith]

The accident raises a different question. Only 4 electrics under power were allowed up the branch because of the power drain. The following train, where would it have been held waiting for the one in front to clear oxspring? Would it have been held at wentworth?

[Michael Edge]

That must have been the intention, it couldn’t go any further once the full MGR was on the down main and that couldn’t go up the hill without the two that came down with the empties.

[Nick Lawson]

Just catching up on this thread which is really interesting!

 

On 27/12/2021 at 09:27, Michael Edge said:

the catenary has to be painted green - it's all copper wire which turns a rather bright green when oxidised.

I freely admit to knowing absolutely nothing about this, but I'm surprised that the cables carrying the weight weren't steel. Did they have any problems with sagging?

[Michael Edge]

I don't know what they are made of (contact wire is definitely copper) but they have always been green - and not did, many miles of it still in use between Manchester and Glossop/Hadfield.

Looking east from the road bridge at Hattersley, April 2021.

Close up from the Glossop branch, April 2021

[LNERGE]

I thought the clear call was on the locos from the outset?

 

I have heard stories of it being unpopular with crews as it was attached to the overhead wire. I’d like to know more about it as to work at all the 1500 volt D.C. would have to be true D.C. with no ripple voltage whatsoever. 

Edited February 3, 2022 by LNERGE

[Enterprisingwestern]

On 02/02/2022 at 16:27, Michael Edge said:

Pantographs fitted to the EM1 now.

First on the test track.

Under the first section of OLE on the layout.

Finally a short video (from the phone), shows the pans rising as it leaves the tunnel, eventually flicking up as the loco goes off the wire. I really must remember to turn off the radio next time....

I've tried experimenting with some springy wire under the heads to stop them tilting too far when running through the fiddle yard, it does seem to work but they are a bit too visible and they also prevent the pans from locking down now - although this won't be necessary on WJ.

I'll start painting it now.

 

How nice to see a proper EM1.

 

Mike.

[cheesysmith]

If this was ever put on the show circuit, you could actually have this accident out front, say the line is closed whilst recovery takes place, and disappear for your lunch break.

 

Can`t get more realistic than that. 

[Barry O]

50 minutes ago, cheesysmith said:

If this was ever put on the show circuit, you could actually have this accident out front, say the line is closed whilst recovery takes place, and disappear for your lunch break.

 

Can`t get more realistic than that. 

Just enough time for a growler and a pint...in true Leeds MRS CIO eating and drinking section tradition.

 

Baz

[Michael Edge]

55 minutes ago, cheesysmith said:

If this was ever put on the show circuit, you could actually have this accident out front, say the line is closed whilst recovery takes place, and disappear for your lunch break.

 

Can`t get more realistic than that. 

We would just need 6 blue EM1s and a lot of MGR wagons.....

[Barry O]

16 minutes ago, Michael Edge said:

We would just need 6 blue EM1s and a lot of MGR wagons.....

MGR wagons??  Nope!!

 

Baz

[Regularity]

5 hours ago, Barry O said:

Just enough time for a growler and a pint.

That has other meanings elsewhere in the country. Thankfully I didn’t have a mouthful of tea.

[Barry O]

2 hours ago, Regularity said:

That has other meanings elsewhere in the country. Thankfully I didn’t have a mouthful of tea.

A Growler is.   A pork pie. If people don't know that they live somewhere  other than Leeds ..which is, after all, the centre of the Universe!

[Regularity]

A very nice place, too, as I thought yesterday as I wandered back from office to train.

[St Enodoc]

36 minutes ago, Barry O said:

A Growler is.   A pork pie. If people don't know that they live somewhere  other than Leeds ..which is, after all, the centre of the Universe!

Ideally eaten hot, with lots of mint sauce.

[Barry O]

1 minute ago, St Enodoc said:

Ideally eaten hot, with lots of mint sauce.

With proper mushy peas!!

 

Baz

[Erichill16]

Never been a fan of hot pork pies since I had one squashed on to my back at a football match.

What a mess when the jelly had solidified and to top it all we lost.  It was a long way home. Pah.

[Michael Edge]

Not much work on WJ recently, a trip to France and getting Herculaneum Dock ready for Bristol has been getting in the way but the first signal has appeared on the layout.

An O4 with the Northwich - Barrow coke empties passing WJ up home signal, another O4 and the apparently wire-less EB1 in the banker siding. Most of the signals will be fairly standard LMS/BR pattern and built from MSE components like this one, a few are a bit more awkward with elevated disc signals bracketed on them and there will be one colour light distant in advance of this first home signal. 

[St Enodoc]

4 hours ago, Michael Edge said:

one colour light distant in advance of this first home signal

In rear of, I think, Mike.

[Michael Edge]

OK, I'm not that good with signalling terminology!

[St Enodoc]

Just now, Michael Edge said:

OK, I'm not that good with signalling terminology!

Nor was I until Mike @The Stationmaster taught me.

 

If you're standing facing a signal in the direction of travel, anything behind your rear is in rear of you (and therefore anything in front of you is in advance).