Hornby P1?

[carlwebus]

Hi  there all you knowledgable types.

 

A mystery (to me at least):

 

A few years   ago I bought from a guy on eBay what he described as a Hornby P1 2-8-2: locomotive number 2394.  He had  two  to sell - one modelled on No. 2394 and the other on  the only other P1 actually built No 2393.

 

Now, as far as I can tell, Hornby never actually produced a P1 (unless you know better).

 

It seems to me that this loco has been built from Hornby parts.  The two P1s actually built had the same boiler as the A1 and A3s - but with a 2-8-2 Mikado wheel arrangement and 5'2"  driving  wheels.  If I am  correct,  the job has been nicely done with separate handrails and detailed cab face (in relief).

 

The main chassis and  tender chassis are marked "Hornby MADE IN GT BRITAIN". The front  bogie is stamped 54426.  It is TENDER DRIVE.

 

The time has come to sell this loco to make room  for some kits I am finishing off.

 

But how  to describe it: Hornby /Hornby based/ something else??

 

Can anybody help?

 

See pictures.

[micklner]

Looks like a A3 body place on a Stanier 2-8-0 chassis. Crownline used to do conversion kits. The Tender numbers should be the larger version for your info.

[34theletterbetweenB&D]

I would go with 'Hornby parts assembled into a representation of the Gresley P1 2-8-2, sold as seen' with an accompanying photograph. This because it is a significantly different in appearance from the prototype. https://www.lner.info/locos/P/p1.php

[Steamport Southport]

How to describe it?

 

Just follow the annoying eBay seller way of describing things. 

 

 

L@@K......RARE....CODE 3!!

 

 

Grab a b@rgain!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Jason

[manna]

G'Day Folks

 

Don't know how to describe it, but you've given me a few ideas.   

 

manna 

[34theletterbetweenB&D]

I too keep thinking about it. But it was such a good looking design that it has to be right, or not at all. Once I have all the necessary small black locos done (!) then and only then the P1. Unless some kind RTR manufacturer steps into the breach. Only UK 10F, go on...

[carlwebus]

Thanks fellas

Your time and comments much appreciated.

I’m going to list it on eBay auction with a starting price of £69.99. It is unusual and nicely done.

I will describe it as “representation of”

[Horsetan]

 

How to describe it?

 

Just follow the annoying eBay seller way of describing things. 

....I’m going to list it on eBay auction with a starting price of £69.99. ...

 

Well, that's a start.

[Hroth]

Looking at the position of the flangeless wheel, and the motion work, I'd suggest that it's a carved up 9F chassis, with an A3 body and rear truck.  Don't quite know what the tender is from!

 

I'd describe it as a "kit built" representation of an LNER P1, using Hornby parts.

[Forester]

 

I'd describe it as a "kit built" representation of an LNER P1, using Hornby parts.

 

Please No. It's not "kit built"! The rest of the sentence is what it is.

[Horsetan]

Please No. It's not "kit built"! The rest of the sentence is what it is.

 

It's a nod to eBay's "Gosturd"

[34theletterbetweenB&D]

Looking at the position of the flangeless wheel, and the motion work, I'd suggest that it's a carved up 9F chassis, with an A3 body and rear truck.  Don't quite know what the tender is from

 The coupled wheelsets, connecting rod and valve gear ( at least) are 9F, but the chassis block and coupling rods are almost certainly 8F (uneven spacing of axles, dire two pivot front truck which I cannot imagine anyone carving around a 9F chassis with a perfectly good single pivot truck arrangement to fit this inferior item) and the tender looks like the LNER GS type that was used with the B17 and D49 tender drive versions. So with the A3 supplying body, cylinders and trailing truck, that's at least a four-way combination of Hornby parts to make this representation.

[Stentor]

The coupled wheelsets, connecting rod and valve gear ( at least) are 9F, but the chassis block and coupling rods are almost certainly 8F (uneven spacing of axles, dire two pivot front truck which I cannot imagine anyone carving around a 9F chassis with a perfectly good single pivot truck arrangement to fit this inferior item) and the tender looks like the LNER GS type that was used with the B17 and D49 tender drive versions. So with the A3 supplying body, cylinders and trailing truck, that's at least a four-way combination of Hornby parts to make this representation.

There is an article in the April 1992 Railway Modeller where Hayden Reed builds a P1.

His recipe is Hornby A3 (locomotive drive), an early Triang Princess chassis and a Hornby D49 tender shell.

He says that the Wrenn 8F chassis would work but rejects it on cost grounds.

He uses Hornby Jinty wheels reamed out to fit the Princess axles and cylinders and valve gear from Hornby A3 and A4 respectively.

Front pony truck is from a Hornby 9F, back one from an A3.

 

//Simon