Rails announce NER electric autocar in OO

[PhilJ W]

I might or I might not re-number mine anyway, rule one rules.

[micklner]

History here . It confirms 3171 was only in Red/Cream livery and both had little use in the LNER period.

 

https://www.lner.info/locos/IC/ner_petrolelectric.php

 

I also contacted the NER Autocar Trust re Roof details/layout for 3170 , they were unable to help , stating little is known re their use.

If you go on their website there are a few photographs of the Autocar in use , they stated they  know of no other photographs .

Edited May 6, 2022 by micklner

[The White Rabbit]

9 minutes ago, micklner said:

History here . It confirms 3171 was only in Red/Cream livery and both had little use in the LNER period.

 

https://www.lner.info/locos/IC/ner_petrolelectric.php

 

In all honesty, it's not exactly independent corroboration, as I wrote most of that article. Though that web-site does have some very knowledgeable people as members and no-one queried any of the contents, so I'm treating it as fairly effectively 'peer reviewed'. One of the problems we've had (and presumably in consequence Rails as well) is that we have significant holes in our knowledge. The autocar is one to two generations older than many of the other preserved locos/carriages on the UK's lines and that means there's less information around. 

 

I know you raised the issue of the third engine's exhaust some time ago - I can't offer any constructive comment, sorry. As mentioned earlier, I've been out of things for a while and a lot of the project has run while I've been distracted (rather seriously) with other things, so I can't offer any 'insider' info or explanations. 

[micklner]

25 minutes ago, The White Rabbit said:

 

In all honesty, it's not exactly independent corroboration, as I wrote most of that article. Though that web-site does have some very knowledgeable people as members and no-one queried any of the contents, so I'm treating it as fairly effectively 'peer reviewed'. One of the problems we've had (and presumably in consequence Rails as well) is that we have significant holes in our knowledge. The autocar is one to two generations older than many of the other preserved locos/carriages on the UK's lines and that means there's less information around. 

 

I know you raised the issue of the third engine's exhaust some time ago - I can't offer any constructive comment, sorry. As mentioned earlier, I've been out of things for a while and a lot of the project has run while I've been distracted (rather seriously) with other things, so I can't offer any 'insider' info or explanations. 

I have just looked at Ken Hooles book from 1969 " North Eastern Railway Buses, Lorries & Autocars"  the facts in the book are virtually identical to the LNER Forum article.

It confirms all the same facts 3171 appears to have little use after 1923 . It also confirms that 3170 only had extra radiators on the same side as the large exhaust on the lower roof .

[amdaley]

On 06/05/2022 at 21:03, micklner said:

I have just looked at Ken Hooles book from 1969 " North Eastern Railway Buses, Lorries & Autocars"  the facts in the book are virtually identical to the LNER Forum article.

It confirms all the same facts 3171 appears to have little use after 1923 . It also confirms that 3170 only had extra radiators on the same side as the large exhaust on the lower roof .

 

Is it true that 3170 only had the extra radiators & exhaust in LNER days when it received a new engine & that the model of 3070 is correct in NER red & cream?

Edited May 9, 2022 by amdaley

[micklner]

1 hour ago, amdaley said:

 

Is it true that 3170 only had the extra radiators & exhaust in LNER days when it received a new engine & that the model of 3070 is correct in NER red & cream?

Yes , new engine/addtional radiators and exhaust system fitted in 1923 by the LNER. 3171 was in Red/Cream until scrapped by the LNER.

Edited May 9, 2022 by micklner

[thetalkinlens]

When I was at Embsay for the photo charter with 3170 in February, it was discussed a bit about the three lamps, with all archive photos apparently in the same position, though no one seemed sure what it meant. Presumably that is an NER lamp code?

Edited May 9, 2022 by thetalkinlens

[Worsdell forever]

It's arrived and already picked up a crew and it's first load of passengers. Just need to work out how to convert it to EM. 

 

 

 

[zr2498]

Surely the interior lights will be switchable via a function if the dcc sound chip is fitted?

[Worsdell forever]

2 minutes ago, zr2498 said:

Surely the interior lights will be switchable via a function if the dcc sound chip is fitted?

 

Yes, F8 on their sound decoder.

 

[amdaley]

I presume the lights are switchable with a standard decoder as well? 

[Worsdell forever]

Upgraded the speaker as the factory fitted one was a bit weak, it couldn't really cope with the rumble of the engine so now it's got 2 YouChoos 18x13x7 IceCubes which nicely fit in the clerestory. 

 

 

[The White Rabbit]

1 hour ago, Worsdell forever said:

Upgraded the speaker as the factory fitted one was a bit weak, it couldn't really cope with the rumble of the engine so now it's got 2 YouChoos 18x13x7 IceCubes which nicely fit in the clerestory. 

 

 

 

That third option definitely sounds the best and is closest to the actual autocar as it currently is. (As per below, that's a diesel and the sound chip is for a petrol engine).

 

My experience is that the sound varies depending where you are in relation to the autocar, such as in the engine room or saloon or outside. I know it's not possible for everyone but if you can, visit and hear it for yourselves. The first time I heard it, I recall thinking it was different to many of the railway vehicles I'd seen or traveled on/behind. 

Edited May 11, 2022 by The White Rabbit
clarity - was interrupted mid-post, lost train of thought...

[Worsdell forever]

3 minutes ago, The White Rabbit said:

 

That third option definitely sounds the closest to the actual autocar as it currently is. My experience is that the sound varies depending where you are in relation to the autocar, such as in the engine room or saloon or outside. I know it's not possible for everyone but if you can, visit and hear it for yourselves. The first time I heard it, I recall thinking it was different to many of the railway vehicles I'd seen or traveled on/behind. 

 

Hope it sounds different, it's the petrol sounds that are on!

[The White Rabbit]

37 minutes ago, Worsdell forever said:

 

Hope it sounds different, it's the petrol sounds that are on!

 

Indeed, the diesel we have in 3170 doesn't have the petrol 'gargling' sound audible in all three clips you posted. But it's still the closest! 

[Bishdurham]

40 minutes ago, Worsdell forever said:

 

Hope it sounds different, it's the petrol sounds that are on!

So the petrol sounds like a diesel?  I may have to sit down!  

[Worsdell forever]

15 minutes ago, The White Rabbit said:

 

Indeed, the diesel we have in 3170 doesn't have the petrol 'gargling' sound audible in all three clips you posted. But it's still the closest! 

 

This is a 3170 with a diesel engine... (JCB Fastrac 3170, 170hp Cummins engine) 😆

 

 

[The White Rabbit]

2 minutes ago, Worsdell forever said:

 

This is a 3170 with a diesel engine... (JCB Fastrac 3170, 170hp Cummins engine) 😆

 

 

 

Hmmm  .....  😖 ... lovely gear changes ....

 

 

Just for the record, our engineers tell me the engine's a 285 hp Cummins QSL9 (from Darlington). Partly to make sure we can get up a certain hill near WF's hometown, though towing a different sort of trailer. 

[Edwardian]

12 hours ago, Worsdell forever said:

Upgraded the speaker as the factory fitted one was a bit weak, it couldn't really cope with the rumble of the engine so now it's got 2 YouChoos 18x13x7 IceCubes which nicely fit in the clerestory. 

 

 

 

Lovely job, and it makes such a difference.

 

However, does this mean Rosedale East is now going to be one of those loud diesel layouts that so annoy other exhibitors! 😉

 

 

[thetalkinlens]

4 hours ago, Edwardian said:

However, does this mean Rosedale East is now going to be one of those loud diesel layouts that so annoy other exhibitors! 😉

 

I'd like to see it get over the hump on the Ingleby incline first!

[KymN]

I keep seeing those happy reports in this topic from people who have their Autocar models.  Mine has yet to be sent.  Rails produces some lovely exclusive models, but getting them out the door is not exactly their forte.  I had to wait here in the colonies for my Precedent when Rails gave local buyers priority, so my expectations are not high.  But I keep looking at my pre-order listing on Rails' site, and continue to live in hope.

[PhilJ W]

Sorry if this rubs it in @KymN but I rail tested mine last night and everything was as it should be. Another member of the group was also testing his one and that was also running perfectly.  

[Johan DC]

13 hours ago, KymN said:

 Mine has yet to be sent.  

When did you order? I ordered in august, and both were send last Thursday, to a UK adress. I did not have them send straight here to Belgium, my father will smuggle them back home for me, saves on customs duty. 

[Colin_McLeod]

1 hour ago, Johan DC said:

When did you order? I ordered in august, and both were send last Thursday, to a UK adress. I did not have them send straight here to Belgium, my father will smuggle them back home for me, saves on customs duty. 

 

LOL  Rails don't forget to put one of these on Johan's parcel 😁🇧🇪

 

 

 

[KymN]

12 hours ago, Johan DC said:

Mine has yet to be sent...

 

When did you order? I ordered in august, and both were send last Thursday, to a UK address.

 

February 2019.  Rails must have spotted my post here.  They told me that my card was declined.  It would have been, because it was 18 months out of date.  I don't recall them telling me that until they emailed me last week.  The old card had been used to take the deposit. 

Edited May 14, 2022 by KymN