danstercivicman Posted March 22, 2019 Author Share Posted March 22, 2019 (edited) Thinking about locos... I note that there were at least two STD 4MT 2-6-0’s on Shed at Stranraer. They are prominent in pictures working the Branchlines but I have found no pictures of them at the Harbour. Does anyone know if they ever worked into the Harbour? They appear to be: 76112 76073 A STD 4MT would add some variety but I have only seen pictures of them at Stranraer Town Edited March 22, 2019 by danstercivicman Info Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
danstercivicman Posted March 26, 2019 Author Share Posted March 26, 2019 (edited) Double heading was common on the heavy boat trains... Here’s my take... 44762 is a new arrival and will be renumbered to (corrected for error) 44726 which was a Carlisle Kingmoor engine. 4478 needs the 9 adding to make 44789 Edited March 26, 2019 by danstercivicman Error fixed 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pH Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 3 hours ago, danstercivicman said: 44762 is a new arrival and will be renumbered to 45726 which was a Carlisle Kingmoor engine. Misstype? 44762 was a Black Five, 45726 was a Jubilee. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
danstercivicman Posted March 26, 2019 Author Share Posted March 26, 2019 Haha yes 44726 is the one Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
danstercivicman Posted March 27, 2019 Author Share Posted March 27, 2019 (edited) There is now only 1 outstanding loco to have a good representative fleet... A BR STD 6MT.... Interestingly... The Bachmann Jubilees can haul 7 coaches The Hornby and Bachmann 5MT’s manage 6 but not all Bachmann coaches which appear too heavy. The Class 110 barely manages itself The Crabs manage 6/7 parcels coaches The Hunslet manages 4 The Ivatt 4MT manages about 5 Do you think they manufacture scale compression? Its the curved section that that presents the issues I guess even 762/630mm radius is by prototype standards extremely tight! Edited March 27, 2019 by danstercivicman Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
danstercivicman Posted March 30, 2019 Author Share Posted March 30, 2019 44666 leaves Stranraer Harbour with a partially fitted freight... Progress in the fiddleyard with two more sidings being laid... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
danstercivicman Posted March 30, 2019 Author Share Posted March 30, 2019 44666 leaves Stranraer Harbour with a partially fitted freight... Progress in the fiddleyard with two more sidings being laid... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
danstercivicman Posted March 31, 2019 Author Share Posted March 31, 2019 Looking at the fiddleyard- it pretty much fits everything I need atm but I’ve still got 197cm with which to extend if required The glaring ommision from the loco fleet is still the 6MT... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 5 hours ago, danstercivicman said: Looking at the fiddleyard- it pretty much fits everything I need atm but I’ve still got 197cm with which to extend if required The glaring ommision from the loco fleet is still the 6MT... Hopefully it's in one of the next two cupboards I'm sorting through this week.... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
danstercivicman Posted March 31, 2019 Author Share Posted March 31, 2019 (edited) Hehe, I have that trouble finding things I’ve been trying to work our head codes with some help. Woulf anyone know the headcodes for the Northern Irishman or the Stranraer Larne boat trains? I’ve seen 1A18 which is Glasgow Central via Ayr. That is for a Class 126 and would be after the closure of the port road. 1A23 appears to be a return. 1D (next two unreadable) I’ve also seen on a DMU in earlier days so I expect D was the Dunragit/port road. If I can find one for Saint Enoch that may help Edited March 31, 2019 by danstercivicman Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
danstercivicman Posted April 4, 2019 Author Share Posted April 4, 2019 Taking the layout back to 1960 we see a Jubilee on a Class C parcels working... Also 80002 has brought in a local train from Dumfries. A couple of overall shots showing a busy fiddleyard The fiddleyard could really do with future extension which would allow for more flexibility! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted April 4, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 4, 2019 1 hour ago, danstercivicman said: Taking the layout back to 1960 we see a Jubilee on a Class C parcels working... Also 80002 has brought in a local train from Dumfries. A couple of overall shots showing a busy fiddleyard The fiddleyard could really do with future extension which would allow for more flexibility! You have discovered the first law of fiddle yards, which is that they need to be at least half as big again as you originally thought... 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted April 4, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 4, 2019 2 hours ago, St Enodoc said: You have discovered the first law of fiddle yards, which is that they need to be at least half as big again as you originally thought... No, you are wrong UDJ. If one plans ones railway knowing what services and stock one requires, one will find that the storage yard is adequate to meet ones needs. Most of us build our layouts without thinking what stock do I need and how am I going to store it off scene. Coupled with our other problem of seeing " Oh! that does look nice" and going off and buying it and then trying to add to our working stock. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted April 4, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 4, 2019 A fiddle yard represents the rest of British Railways, thus must ideally be big enough to contain any stock that could possibly appear on the layout during the set period, i.e. a few hundred thousand freight and pool NPCCS vehicles. Trust me, Clive, there is no such thing as a fiddle yard that is too big, though you are correct that most of us have too much stock and far too many locomotives! I have the problem that, having determined my ideal stock levels at the planning stage and kept fairly close to them, I still don't have enough room in my fiddle yard. This is because, if truth be told, I don't have enough room for a layout and have compromised. I don't like handling stock and would like enough fiddle yard for it all to remain on the rails at all times, but crane shunts are necessary to maintain the timetable. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
danstercivicman Posted April 4, 2019 Author Share Posted April 4, 2019 Haha, yeah I think my fiddleyard is ok for the current stock... I had planned but then... I had some assistance with the timetables which opened up more stock.... Then I realised that the Kingmoor locos worked quite a substantial diagram it opened up more locos... Then I realised that the 5MT’s often worked double headed.., So that’s how it grows! 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 It's looking very good Dan, but as I found with Kings Moreton, 12 Roads were NOT enough, and Pencarne Junction was even worse. Keep it going though mate, it is looking very good. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted April 4, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 4, 2019 7 hours ago, Clive Mortimore said: No, you are wrong UDJ. If one plans ones railway knowing what services and stock one requires, one will find that the storage yard is adequate to meet ones needs. Most of us build our layouts without thinking what stock do I need and how am I going to store it off scene. Coupled with our other problem of seeing " Oh! that does look nice" and going off and buying it and then trying to add to our working stock. Serious head on then Clive. The mistake that many of us have made, myself included, is to provide enough space to store trains without taking into account the need for empty tracks to receive trains from elsewhere. It's better to start from the premise that you need to provide enough space to store ALL your trains and spare stock in the fiddle yard and then add, say, 10%. If you've got room for that, good. If not, then you must make choices such as scaling back your plans or providing additional storage (cassettes, shelves, etc.). 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted April 4, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 4, 2019 2 hours ago, St Enodoc said: Serious head on then Clive. The mistake that many of us have made, myself included, is to provide enough space to store trains without taking into account the need for empty tracks to receive trains from elsewhere. It's better to start from the premise that you need to provide enough space to store ALL your trains and spare stock in the fiddle yard and then add, say, 10%. If you've got room for that, good. If not, then you must make choices such as scaling back your plans or providing additional storage (cassettes, shelves, etc.). Hi John When I designed Sheffield Exchange I made up my mind that the storage sidings (I hate the term fiddle yard, images of Keith Moon in Tommy come to mind) would all be the same length so anyone can take the longest train. I limit each line to only one train be it a 2 car DMU or and 8 car one. The width of the baseboards meant I could only have 9 sidings in each yard. At the start of a session I have 4 trains in the station (it has 8 platforms) and 18 in the fiddle yards. 22 trains keeps me entertained. Should I wish to run a fuel or coal train for the loco sidings. It gets placed on the mainline whizzed round a few times, does its bit in the station and then whizz round a couple more times before being placed back in the box. Like all of us I have more stock than I need to run the layout so every now and then I rotate the stock. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted April 4, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 4, 2019 4 minutes ago, Clive Mortimore said: Hi John When I designed Sheffield Exchange I made up my mind that the storage sidings (I hate the term fiddle yard, images of Keith Moon in Tommy come to mind) would all be the same length so anyone can take the longest train. I limit each line to only one train be it a 2 car DMU or and 8 car one. The width of the baseboards meant I could only have 9 sidings in each yard. At the start of a session I have 4 trains in the station (it has 8 platforms) and 18 in the fiddle yards. 22 trains keeps me entertained. Should I wish to run a fuel or coal train for the loco sidings. It gets placed on the mainline whizzed round a few times, does its bit in the station and then whizz round a couple more times before being placed back in the box. Like all of us I have more stock than I need to run the layout so every now and then I rotate the stock. You've thought that out well, Clive, as those of us who follow SE will already know. The keys, I think, to what you are doing are a) using the main line as an extra fiddle siding and b) using boxes to store stuff off the layout. That works for you but wouldn't for everybody. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
danstercivicman Posted April 4, 2019 Author Share Posted April 4, 2019 (edited) I’ve also realised that my storage place has the loco side and that is more for display atm. I can of course convert that into stock sidings and use Peco loco lifts for the locos. Thank you all for the kind comments The layout is really a pleasure to run. My my daughter loves running the Hunslet and she is now using the uncoupling rod (guitar string thing) to uncouple stock. She’s also helped ballast a siding! She’s so far got her parcels certificate and her shunted certificate and the layout Brings a lot of joy! I’ve been much helped by Silver Sidelines and I’ve managed to construct a good timetable. A large number of books have also been purchased! Edited April 4, 2019 by danstercivicman Terrible spelling 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Bogie Posted April 5, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 5, 2019 1 hour ago, Clive Mortimore said: I hate the term fiddle yard, images of Keith Moon in Tommy come to mind Clive I am going to file that comment away and one day bring it out at some august gathering of model rail enthusiasts and see who nods approvingly. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
danstercivicman Posted April 5, 2019 Author Share Posted April 5, 2019 Yeah let’s avoid that please I’m now using storage area 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted April 5, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 5, 2019 2 hours ago, danstercivicman said: Yeah let’s avoid that please I’m now using storage area Serious head still on. I think there's a difference. To me, "storage area" suggests a place where trains are stored between movements but not remarshalled - what US modellers call "staging". A "fiddle yard" is a place where you break up and reform trains, often by crane shunting. I don't think this is an official distinction - it just seems that way to me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
danstercivicman Posted April 5, 2019 Author Share Posted April 5, 2019 (edited) I’ve got pretty much all the stock I need now so it’s definately busy! Locowise: STD 6MT Clan to get.. Stanier P3 Full Brake to get 2x XP Fitted Vans (can never have enough of these) Gresley BCK 61ft? Might be nice to be able to run a midday Newcastle boat train? Edited April 5, 2019 by danstercivicman Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
danstercivicman Posted April 9, 2019 Author Share Posted April 9, 2019 (edited) A new arrival: 45715 from Carlisle Kingmoor. In need of cab detailing and crew but with added weight she comfortably hauls seven coaches (although sometimes the inner pony truck wheel seems to not turn on the tighter corner sections??!) In suitable 1961 condition she looks great with the fowler tender! Just a STD 6MT to complete the fleet!!! Edited April 9, 2019 by danstercivicman 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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