steve1 Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 It's SORNed according to DVLA. steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
billywhizz Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 Given low mileage and condition, my guess would be probably garaged over winter and sorn’d. Brought out for MOT so it can be taxed now the weather is getting better (ish) 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted March 16, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 16, 2021 5 hours ago, peanuts said: Spotted this in for its mot today trying to remember when i last saw one nevermind in that good condition There are two in a garage in Stowmarket Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Phil Mc Posted March 16, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 16, 2021 52 minutes ago, russ p said: There are two in a garage in Stowmarket Is that the garage by the level crossing, just by the end of the platforms ? I haven’t walked along there for a couple of years, but it always had something interesting for sale !! cheers, Phil. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted March 16, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 16, 2021 12 minutes ago, Phil Mc said: Is that the garage by the level crossing, just by the end of the platforms ? I haven’t walked along there for a couple of years, but it always had something interesting for sale !! cheers, Phil. It is, nothing has prices but I understand they are for sale at the right price. Both look absolutely mint 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
peanuts Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 8 hours ago, billywhizz said: Given low mileage and condition, my guess would be probably garaged over winter and sorn’d. Brought out for MOT so it can be taxed now the weather is getting better (ish) The building next door is used for storage (see my other post in old car thread) so sounds feasable .there was a lotus and a escort cosworth at the back amongst the caravans and trailers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium boxbrownie Posted March 17, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 17, 2021 It appears to be a cooking XR4i.......which is a 2.8i V6 with rear wheel drive........now whether it has been “played around with” is any bodies guess, unless somebody knows better? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium boxbrownie Posted March 17, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 17, 2021 13 hours ago, steve1 said: It's SORNed according to DVLA. steve And passed its MoT yesterday but not after repair of a front ball joint which apparently was so bad it was in danger of letting go! 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium boxbrownie Posted March 17, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 17, 2021 13 hours ago, stewartingram said: Not spoilers - they are 'pram handles', used for pushing it (well it is a Ford). Stewart I know your joking, but for the record those “pram handles” actually did a useful job at speeds over 80 mph and exactly why there were two, we tried one (I have worked with the aerodynamicist who was in the team, Noel Watts) with a single large wing just like the later Cosworth but it was deemed “too much” for the time and marketing preferred two as quite a few cars had just one already. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium boxbrownie Posted March 17, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 17, 2021 14 hours ago, monkeysarefun said: Can I ask what it is and why does it need so many rear spoilers? See above Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium MJI Posted March 17, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 17, 2021 (edited) I found the limit at which a Sierra Cosworth willl start to let go. Was slightly lower than my bike at the times cornering limit. I had production racing series tyres on, was first bike radials, gripped like nothing else and the tread stayed on the carcase. Also 5x longer life than a not as grippy tyre. Production series racing on bikes HAD to filter to road usage. And the jelly mould could not keep up. Bike radials were game changers, 10% higher price saved a fortune, 5x longer life https://classic-motorbikes.net/brilliant-biking-inventionsradial-tyres/ 4x on front 5x on rear Edited March 17, 2021 by MJI Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium boxbrownie Posted March 17, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 17, 2021 10 minutes ago, MJI said: I found the limit at which a Sierra Cosworth willl start to let go. At what speed and do you mean cornering? We tested the Cossy at over 170 mph at Lommel in Belgium (in England at Millbrook’s high speed bowl wouldn’t allow us over 145 mph due to suspension compression) and it was fine, if a a little crazy, especially with a video recorder on my lap 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium MJI Posted March 17, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 17, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, boxbrownie said: At what speed and do you mean cornering? We tested the Cossy at over 170 mph at Lommel in Belgium (in England at Millbrook’s high speed bowl wouldn’t allow us over 145 mph due to suspension compression) and it was fine, if a a little crazy, especially with a video recorder on my lap Um there was a one at the front and a few seconds later I red lined in 5th, my foot was near the road and I was right over. Also many years ago, like 1980s. The Cosworth was basically unwieldy and not that quick up to a ton. No match for a sports bike. Oh and I had passed it in traffic then after the traffic he tried to play catch up, so I thought no. Edited March 17, 2021 by MJI 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Classsix T Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 14 hours ago, russ p said: It is, nothing has prices but I understand they are for sale at the right price. Both look absolutely mint Gammers. I've never been sure they were for sale or show. They've had some cracking motors in there over the years. C6T. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium MJI Posted March 17, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 17, 2021 Oh and when I had that bike I got stopped on the way back from Bristol exhibition, not done but told to slow down! Not had a bike for 30 years as I know what would happen (again). 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium boxbrownie Posted March 17, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 17, 2021 4 hours ago, MJI said: The Cosworth was basically unwieldy and not that quick up to a ton. No match for a sports bike. It was quite fast for a saloon back in 1984/5........but as we always used to say about bikes, just fast cars with all the safe bits taken off A lot of our engineers rode bikes but would never ride them as fast as they drove the Cossies on the Essex country Lanes...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted March 17, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 17, 2021 7 hours ago, Classsix T said: Gammers. I've never been sure they were for sale or show. They've had some cracking motors in there over the years. C6T. Thats them . I asked about a rover 200 they had and they said it had been sold Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeysarefun Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 (edited) 12 hours ago, boxbrownie said: I know your joking, but for the record those “pram handles” actually did a useful job at speeds over 80 mph and exactly why there were two, we tried one (I have worked with the aerodynamicist who was in the team, Noel Watts) with a single large wing just like the later Cosworth but it was deemed “too much” for the time and marketing preferred two as quite a few cars had just one already. No, two spoilers is the thin edge of the wedge. Its like razors, they used to have the one blade. Then some bright spark thought two would sell better, one to cut the bristle and an extra one to cut a bit more off before the bristle was able to retreat back into its hole.. Then it all went mental with increasingly more and more blades until now where we have blade 3 which has hostage negotiation skills and is able to talk the bristle out while blades 4 and 5 overpower it and take it away for questioning while blade 6 read it its rights and blade 7 armed with a sniper rifle is on overwatch in case things go wrong If your spoiler development had similarly reached its logical conclusion you'd have re-invented the rear louvre. Edited March 17, 2021 by monkeysarefun 2 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold RedgateModels Posted March 17, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 17, 2021 (edited) Wheeler Dealers did a triple spoiler on a Focus RS turbo.... https://youtu.be/AcBH45v6PgY Edited March 17, 2021 by RedgateModels Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold big jim Posted March 17, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 17, 2021 6 minutes ago, RedgateModels said: Wheeler Dealers did a triple spoiler on a Focus RS turbo.... https://youtu.be/AcBH45v6PgY and it looked very wrong! 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold RedgateModels Posted March 17, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 17, 2021 It did increase the downforce though... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold big jim Posted March 17, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 17, 2021 (edited) It did indeed, I suppose it’s one of those things has it been introduced as planned with 3 spoilers then wheeler dealers cut one out to make a twin blade version then I’d be saying that looked wrong too Edited March 17, 2021 by big jim 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium boxbrownie Posted March 18, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 18, 2021 12 hours ago, monkeysarefun said: No, two spoilers is the thin edge of the wedge. Its like razors, they used to have the one blade. Then some bright spark thought two would sell better, one to cut the bristle and an extra one to cut a bit more off before the bristle was able to retreat back into its hole.. Then it all went mental with increasingly more and more blades until now where we have blade 3 which has hostage negotiation skills and is able to talk the bristle out while blades 4 and 5 overpower it and take it away for questioning while blade 6 read it its rights and blade 7 armed with a sniper rifle is on overwatch in case things go wrong If your spoiler development had similarly reached its logical conclusion you'd have re-invented the rear louvre. No, you didn’t get it.....one wing (it’s not a spoiler) worked perfectly well (hence the later whale tail on the cossy) it was marketing/styling who insisted on having two layered wings. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium boxbrownie Posted March 18, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 18, 2021 11 hours ago, RedgateModels said: It did increase the downforce though... probably more by weight than airflow Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris M Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 The original ordinary Sierra had a problem with aerodynamics. They would become unstable at 70mph due to their shape. They had to put little extra bits of trim on the upper rear quarter panel to break up the air flow and stop the lifting effect. It could well be that the Cossie really did need the two wings. Maybe it’s more about breaking down the upforce rather than creating a downforce. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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