Popular Post montyburns56 Posted January 2 Author Popular Post Share Posted January 2 Lockes Sidings 1971 by Chris 21 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
doilum Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 Excellent photo. I haven't seen this before. For the benefit of the Rapido buyers: PH is Park Hill and SJ St John's. The two collieries were on opposite sides of the river Calder but had their own internal rail system as all the coal was washed at St Johns. Can anyone tell me the location of CW? Or were these random wagons brought in from elsewhere? I would have liked to have named my first Hudswell Clarke Cathryn but decided it wasn't politic to name a loco after your best mates attractive young wife.and.settled for Whitwood#4. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Jeremy Cumberland Posted January 3 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 3 I don't think CW is a location, since the right hand CW wagon has an SJ number. The one on the extreme left looks rather the worse for wear. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium iands Posted January 3 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 3 As @Jeremy Cumberland says, the wagon on the extreme left is somewhat worse for wear, and the wagon next to it is also a bit battered and bruised. I just wonder if perhaps this is the scrap line and that CW stands for Condemned Wagon? Just a thought. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
doilum Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 This could be the graveyard. Both of the CW wagons are hoppers rather than the more useful end door type. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 Coal Washery? Jason Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
doilum Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 (edited) Not sure about the operation at St John's, but at other local collieries such as Fryston wagons were emptied on a side tipler which could take any of the swb wagons. The ex NE wagons with a sloping floor had less capacity and could not be used on the run down to the river basin. Ah l see, CW coal washery! Possibly but less likely. Having said that, the CW is quite neatly applied.... They also carry an “S” ( for scrap?)......... Edited January 4 by doilum 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
montyburns56 Posted March 2 Author Share Posted March 2 St John's Colliery, Goosehill 1973 by chris 17 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
montyburns56 Posted March 8 Author Share Posted March 8 Bersham Colliery by John Stein 16 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnofwessex Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 36 minutes ago, montyburns56 said: Bersham Colliery by John Stein 'Interesting' looking loco What happened to the cab & chimney? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
doilum Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 Drop cab Peckett. Why? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Steamport Southport Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 1 hour ago, johnofwessex said: 'Interesting' looking loco What happened to the cab & chimney? Restricted height at it's former workplace Black Park Colliery. The chimney was a later addition gained when it moved elsewhere. https://preservedbritishsteamlocomotives.com/peckett-sons-works-no-1935-hornet-0-4-0st/ Jason 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
doilum Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 14 hours ago, Steamport Southport said: Restricted height at it's former workplace Black Park Colliery. The chimney was a later addition gained when it moved elsewhere. https://preservedbritishsteamlocomotives.com/peckett-sons-works-no-1935-hornet-0-4-0st/ Jason I guess the screens had been originally built for pony power. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 3 hours ago, doilum said: I guess the screens had been originally built for pony power. The height of the screens tended to be as low as possible to avoid unnecessary breakage of coal as the size of the coal affects the sale price plus avoid refunds/compensation to cus. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
doilum Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 2 hours ago, Mark Saunders said: The height of the screens tended to be as low as possible to avoid unnecessary breakage of coal as the size of the coal affects the sale price plus avoid refunds/compensation to cus. I may have told the story before. My grandfather started work for Briggs Whitwood colliery aged 14 in 1913. He was initially assigned to the man responsible for ticketing the wagons. He recalled a whole train being returned by a London merchant because, having emptied the first wagon, they swept it out and found a small sackful of dust and slack. The market then was for large lump coal and small coal was often left underground. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
doilum Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 20 hours ago, Steamport Southport said: Restricted height at it's former workplace Black Park Colliery. The chimney was a later addition gained when it moved elsewhere. https://preservedbritishsteamlocomotives.com/peckett-sons-works-no-1935-hornet-0-4-0st/ Jason A quick Wikipedia search shows that Black Park colliery was originally horse worked. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Marshall5 Posted March 10 Popular Post Share Posted March 10 (edited) Soon after B.R. steam finished in August '68 I started to take more of an interest in the remaining industrial steam - all the usual places in S.Wales, Scotland etc. and, nearer to home in Lancashire. To be honest I can't remember if I've posted any of my slide scans on this thread before but here's a couple taken in 1969 at my 'local' colliery, NCB Cronton. Cronton colliery was accessed from B.R.'s Willis Branch which diverged from the L&M at Huyton Quarry and by the time I knew it was worked exclusively by Austerities - on this day HE3692/50 'Monty'. Ray. Edit: More information about Cronton Coll. and the Willis branch can be found here: https://8dassociation.org/the-willis-branch-cronton-colliery/ Edited March 11 by Marshall5 Additional info. 29 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Marshall5 Posted March 11 Popular Post Share Posted March 11 Another favourite 'hangout' was NCB Bickershaw where steam working lasted throughout the '70's. The austerities there could always be relied on for a good display as the loaded trains faced a steep climb from the colliery to the B.R. exchange sidings near Abram. In April 1977 RSH7135/44 Gwyneth (ex NCB Gresford) was taking a short rake of 16 tonners unassisted. Heavier trains could be double-headed or banked. Ray. 23 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 03060 Posted March 11 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 11 1 hour ago, Marshall5 said: Another favourite 'hangout' was NCB Bickershaw where steam working lasted throughout the '70's. The austerities there could always be relied on for a good display as the loaded trains faced a steep climb from the colliery to the B.R. exchange sidings near Abram. In April 1977 RSH7135/44 Gwyneth (ex NCB Gresford) was taking a short rake of 16 tonners unassisted. Heavier trains could be double-headed or banked. Ray. Superb photos, thankyou for sharing them with us, I'd never heard of the Austerity 'Monty' before. Quick question regarding the latest Bickershaw photos ... would sand being used on the left hand line be the reason for the difference in track colours ? Regards, Ian. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshall5 Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 51 minutes ago, 03060 said: Superb photos, thankyou for sharing them with us, I'd never heard of the Austerity 'Monty' before. Quick question regarding the latest Bickershaw photos ... would sand being used on the left hand line be the reason for the difference in track colours ? Regards, Ian. Yes, that line was very heavily sanded! Monty, new from Hunslet in 1950, inherited its name from ex GWR pannier 1956 which was scrapped at Sutton Manor in the same year. Austerity 'Monty' came to Cronton in 1959 joining 2 other 1950 built Austerities one of which later went to Bold where it was named Whiston - a name which it still carries at Foxfield. Monty was oou by the end of 1970 and scrapped in 1973. Cronton Colliery wasn't as well known to enthusiasts as other collieries in the area perhaps because steam working finished a bit earlier, in 1972. Glad you like the photos. Cheers, Ray. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Marshall5 Posted March 11 Popular Post Share Posted March 11 As mentioned above some heavy trains of 'fulls' were double headed or banked as shown below. In the first photo taken also in 4/77 ex Cannock No.8 HE3776/52 leads Respite HE3696/50. In the next 2 photos taken 4 months later Respite has taken the lead and Gwyneth is bringing up the rear. Do you think I'll get a "like" from Greta??? Ray. 30 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
montyburns56 Posted April 12 Author Share Posted April 12 Fryston 1982 with some interesting signage.. 12 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Jeremy Cumberland Posted April 12 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 12 25 minutes ago, montyburns56 said: Fryston 1982 with some interesting signage.. I didn't think any of the NCB Yorkshire areas had any working steam locomotives that late. In my Industrial Locomotives 1976, HE 3168/1944 is shown OOU at Allerton Bywater Colliery. "Zone of high vehicular activity" indeed. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold tractionman Posted April 12 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 12 3 minutes ago, Jeremy Cumberland said: I didn't think any of the NCB Yorkshire areas had any working steam locomotives that late. In my Industrial Locomotives 1976, HE 3168/1944 is shown OOU at Allerton Bywater Colliery. "Zone of high vehicular activity" indeed. quite an interesting piece on Fryston in 1982 here https://coalmine.proboards.com/thread/1026/last-steam-loco-yorkshire-pit 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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