Pennine MC Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 As has been stated elsewhere, trying to compare images of something from different angles can lead to misconceptions of shape positioning etc. Something I have a lot of experience with in my job. Difficulties dont mean it cant be done though, I often have to weigh up picture and proportion and we all have different degrees of accuracy in perception. Whilst Alistair's pic isnt the best comparison, from Ozzy's shot (which still isnt the same angle), I'm happy enough that the model isnt right Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pennine MC Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 Shouldn't that be dissapointed enough? Nah, cos I dont particularly want a 76 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted July 7, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 7, 2011 Nah, cos I dont particularly want a 76 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted July 8, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 8, 2011 Nah, cos I dont particularly want a 76 But I did Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Posted July 8, 2011 Share Posted July 8, 2011 Thank you for proving my point Ozzy. Much easier to see the issues from that angle. And to add to the remeniscence a link to plenty more pics http://www.railphotoprints.co.uk/index/detail/11150/76007-Y-Elsecar-240281-JC389.jpg.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve K Posted July 8, 2011 Share Posted July 8, 2011 On the model the side windows look wrong. I disagree - to me, the model looks fine, but the prototype looks wrong... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pennine MC Posted July 8, 2011 Share Posted July 8, 2011 Thank you for proving my point Ozzy. Ah, that's what it did, did it Like I said, some of us have better perception than others - maybe Alistair's is even better than yours and mine. Maybe he has other photos too Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzyo Posted July 8, 2011 Share Posted July 8, 2011 I disagree - to me, the model looks fine, but the prototype looks wrong... OK. then the red plastic is right and the blue metal thing is wrong. . OzzyO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted July 8, 2011 Share Posted July 8, 2011 adds nothing to the window discussion but heres a shot of the orignal tommy at Bury. http://www.flickr.co...s-45827152@N07/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve K Posted July 9, 2011 Share Posted July 9, 2011 I disagree - to me, the model looks fine, but the prototype looks wrong... OK. then the red plastic is right and the blue metal thing is wrong. . OzzyO. I hope you realise I was only being mischievous! But then again, if only the prototypes looked plasticky and unrealistic, then I, for one, would find them much easier to model. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzyo Posted July 9, 2011 Share Posted July 9, 2011 I hope you realise I was only being mischievous! But then again, if only the prototypes looked plasticky and unrealistic, then I, for one, would find them much easier to model. Please see my reply. But I like to wok in metal. OzzyO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Ian J. Posted July 9, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 9, 2011 Please see my reply. But I like to wok in metal. OzzyO. I prefer metal woks too. I find plastic ones tend to melt when I'm doing stir fries in them Where's my coat? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzyo Posted July 9, 2011 Share Posted July 9, 2011 I prefer metal woks too. I find plastic ones tend to melt when I'm doing stir fries in them Where's my coat? Chuff off . OzzyO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted July 9, 2011 Share Posted July 9, 2011 nice shot http://www.flickr.com/photos/24041160@N02/2552614277/in/faves-barkingbill/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Y Posted July 9, 2011 Share Posted July 9, 2011 A few images of the front and side cab windows. I wouldn't say anything was conclusive without measuring both the model and prototype but it may give some clarity on the issue that the side window to cab window placement is not correct, particularly the view through the front windscreen where the height of the side windows can certainly be seen to be less than one third the depth of the windscreen whereas the model certainly looks to be greater than one third of the way down. Above image reproduced in Accordance with the Creative Commons Licence as displayed on Wikipedia and Photographer - A.M.Hurrell I accept that the riveted windscreen surrounds may be as per 26020 at the NRM but not as per other examples which do appear to have smooth surrounds; I'd need to look in more detail across more reference material. One of my concerns relates to the bodyside curvature which is shown below in cross section but no photos I've yet seen really do illustrate it sufficiently well for me. Time will tell. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Y Posted July 9, 2011 Share Posted July 9, 2011 I accept that the riveted windscreen surrounds may be as per 26020 at the NRM but not as per other examples which do appear to have smooth surrounds; I'd need to look in more detail across more reference material. Click for cruel close-up No; I'm wrong. The right hand windscreen surround is screwed, the left hand one is smooth or the screwheads have been filled. 26020 at the NRM has screwed surrounds which are either capped or smaller rivets than the cab front metalwork. Image link. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave flint Posted July 9, 2011 Share Posted July 9, 2011 Only a minor point but one that affects the face of the loco.... From the shots of the model, it seems that they've gone for the straight windscreen wiper, fitted on the drivers window in AndyY's post. This appeared to be fitted towards the end of the loco's lives, whereas the wiper with the curve (secondmans side, above) was original equipment and is more "class 76" to me. From memory, 26020 has the curved wiper too. As I say, a minor point but one that makes a difference. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve K Posted July 10, 2011 Share Posted July 10, 2011 A few images of the front and side cab windows... Annoyingly, I was in Manchester for the first time in ages the other week, spent most of one day in and around Castlefields, including the MOSI, and yet somehow failed to take even one photo in the museum itself! So no help from me, as usual. Some good clear shots there, though, which should help the discusion quite a bit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted July 25, 2011 Share Posted July 25, 2011 nice pic of a blue 76 with small yellow warning panel.. http://www.whamart.co.uk/101%202605_%2026045_%2026050%20Reddish%2030%20June%201968.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
298 Posted July 25, 2011 Share Posted July 25, 2011 nice pic of a blue 76 with small yellow warning panel.. http://www.whamart.co.uk/101%202605_%2026045_%2026050%20Reddish%2030%20June%201968.jpg Is it Rail Blue...? Looks like a recent depot repaint from the dirty bogies and streaks down the body from the pantograph wells, but considering how blue reproduces on film and fades over time, I'd say it was the earlier shade that Crewe used that was neither chromatic or rail blue. But if it is, would a depot have repainted just the electric blue or green bits and kept the small warning panels...? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzyo Posted July 25, 2011 Share Posted July 25, 2011 Is it Rail Blue...? Looks like a recent depot repaint from the dirty bogies and streaks down the body from the pantograph wells, but considering how blue reproduces on film and fades over time, I'd say it was the earlier shade that Crewe used that was neither chromatic or rail blue. But if it is, would a depot have repainted just the electric blue or green bits and kept the small warning panels...? I can't answer your question, but when you look between the two other 76s you can see another one in blue and it looks very close to rail blue to me. IIRC most of the work on the 76s was done at Reddish shed where the photo was taken. OzzyO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave flint Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 Most, but not all. I have seen quite a few pictures of 76s at crewe works, mainly in the mid 60s to early 70s though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium spamcan61 Posted August 9, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 9, 2011 New photos of the 76/EM1 have appeared on the Model Rail Facebook page:- http://www.facebook.com/pages/Model-Rail-magazine/176420418206#!/photo.php?fbid=10150263614293207&set=a.10150263614228207.334189.176420418206&type=1&theater Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Ian J. Posted August 9, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 9, 2011 New photos of the 76/EM1 have appeared on the Model Rail Facebook page:- http://www.facebook....&type=1 Please note, such links only work if the reader has a Facebook account. Solved, it was a javascript issue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 they look really nice Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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