RMweb Premium melmerby Posted September 28, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 28, 2021 If anyone has an order in with Precision Paints looks like you'll have to wait. I put an order in last week and it hadn't been despatched yet, however they are now closed due to "Fuel Issues" 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
F-UnitMad Posted September 28, 2021 Share Posted September 28, 2021 21 minutes ago, hayfield said: Its a good job that the US industry got into full swing. There has been a series about the second world war factories quite eye opening and showed how the Axis armies were worn down by shear volume. Yes a very interesting series. Might have been the same programs that showed how America learned the right lessons from WW2 production, and Britain - as ever - didn't, especially with Nationalisation a.k.a. Government interference implemented as soon as possible afterwards. The amount of production Britain achieved during WW2 almost beggars belief compared to it's feeble manufacturing capacity these days. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
37114 Posted September 28, 2021 Share Posted September 28, 2021 4 hours ago, boxbrownie said: We had the farm’s tank filled last week (no issues with supply either) it takes 10K litres, the driver had two more calls to make, but for sure if ASDA/Sainsbury/Tesco had underground tanks only three times the size of our over ground tank it would be pathetic. I’ve no idea how big a petrol stations tank could be but I suspect (hope) a lot bigger. In a past life I used to work for a petroleum logistics company and did some routing on one of the contracts. Most large Filling stations received 3 to 4 deliveries per week of circa 35,000 litres, the tanks weren't hugely bigger than that as the sheer volume of ground you needed to excavate and the strength of tank needed to support the weight preclude anything bigger. 1 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alastairq Posted September 28, 2021 Share Posted September 28, 2021 According to the BBC, Scotland is beginning to face a shortage of fuel of a more serious nature. Apparently there is a disruption in production of Irn Bru, blamed for the most part on the shortage of LGV drivers. Apparently, LGV drivers have been turning up for work, only to discover they are too tall. Scottish consumers are being requested to only purchase enough Irn Bru for their immediate needs, as supplies are diminishing [getting smaller] This will continue for as long as short LGV drivers remain elusive... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-58710019 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 28, 2021 Share Posted September 28, 2021 Saw an army tanker out on the road today. Near MOD Lyneham so probably having a practice rather than out delivering. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andytrains Posted September 28, 2021 Share Posted September 28, 2021 5 minutes ago, 30801 said: Saw an army tanker out on the road today. Near MOD Lyneham so probably having a practice rather than out delivering. Probably trying to see if he/she could get a convoy of morons following it! 4 1 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamThomas Posted September 28, 2021 Share Posted September 28, 2021 4 hours ago, hayfield said: It would not work, on Friday we were in Cornwall, on Saturday we were coming back to Essex via Kent (dropping off in-laws. I had a full tanks worth on Friday and half a tank top up on Saturday My neighbour is going on holiday to Wales on Saturday, if he gives this as a reason for a full tanks worth you can guess the reply People will always come up with "resaons &/or examples" (usually personal) why anything will not work. If supply chain issues continue we may not have any choice. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 28, 2021 Share Posted September 28, 2021 19 minutes ago, andytrains said: Probably trying to see if he/she could get a convoy of morons following it! The direction he came from meant he must have just had a tight wiggle around a petrol station queue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamThomas Posted September 28, 2021 Share Posted September 28, 2021 The logistics company I work for specialise in supplying "corner shop/filling station" retailers. For some time they have not allowed their retailers to stockpile supplies - they have restricted supplies using historic data. If they allowed retailers that have the space &/or funds to stockpile that would create shortages for the other customers, create "false" shortages &, well you know the rest. No doubt someone will phoo, phoo this because of Aunties travel requirements. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ron Ron Posted September 28, 2021 Share Posted September 28, 2021 56 minutes ago, 30801 said: Saw an army tanker out on the road today. Near MOD Lyneham so probably having a practice rather than out delivering. I thought that the army would be driving the civilian tankers that are not being fully utilised at the moment? . 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jol Wilkinson Posted September 28, 2021 Share Posted September 28, 2021 3 hours ago, hayfield said: Its a good job that the US industry got into full swing. There has been a series about the second world war factories quite eye opening and showed how the Axis armies were worn down by shear volume. My mum played her part in working on the production line building Mosquitoes. My memory is not that good I think she was in the team covering the wings, and Park Street rings a bell but it may have been at Hatfield. She met my dad around that time and his parents lived in Watford, Park Street is a short rail journey from Watford I think that US industries were in full swing as far back as the twenties. Bill Bryson's book "One Summer - America 1927" has some interesting information about the wealth of the USA and the strength and production output of it's industries at that time. What they did very effectively in WW2 was to adapt their already strong manufacturing base to military requirements and the government allowed the manufacturers to adapt designs for better and faster production. The UK's output in WW2 was impressive for what we had but lacked the huge production capacity of the huge US economy. On the other hand, Germany seemed to concentrate on technological advances in war equipment rather than mass production of relatively simple designs. 4 hours ago, spamcan61 said: True, but I don't fancy living in a society run under wartime conditions. It somehow seems that is where we might be. Queues for fuel, shortages on shop shelves, railways under government control. Or is it more like the USSR? No, it can't be, we are a free market economy 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PhilJ W Posted September 28, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 28, 2021 3 hours ago, F-UnitMad said: Yes a very interesting series. Might have been the same programs that showed how America learned the right lessons from WW2 production, and Britain - as ever - didn't, especially with Nationalisation a.k.a. Government interference implemented as soon as possible afterwards. The amount of production Britain achieved during WW2 almost beggars belief compared to it's feeble manufacturing capacity these days. Its not nationalisation that was the problem. The shareholders of the GWR and the Southern did very well out of nationalisation as compensation was based on pre-war share values, the LMS shareholders did slightly less well but at least broke even. The only ones who lost out, and there's some doubt about that were the LNER shareholders as the financial performance of the company was on the up when war broke out. Government 'interference' started as soon as war broke out if not before when the railways were nationalised in all but name. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alastairq Posted September 28, 2021 Share Posted September 28, 2021 30 minutes ago, Ron Ron Ron said: I thought that the army would be driving the civilian tankers that are not being fully utilised at the moment? . Indeed they would! Somewhere up above is a post of mine ''vaguely'' detailing the military 'situation' regarding fuel supplies. Briefly, the ''Op !!!!!'' was established in order to train military personnel to 'take over' civilian fuel supplies in the event of [originally] a tanker drivers' strike. The training course was established by civilian instructors [MoD Civil servants]...and assessed to the criteria set down by the civilian tanker owners. Civilian [owned] vehicles would be used. Military tankers are often inappropriate for civilian use. Don't want to frighten the weee peeps, do we? http://www.military-today.com/trucks/oshkosh_wheeled_tanker_l1.jpg 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham108 Posted September 28, 2021 Share Posted September 28, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, Ron Ron Ron said: I thought that the army would be driving the civilian tankers that are not being fully utilised at the moment? . I can't see the unions putting up with that Edited September 28, 2021 by Graham108 typo 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MartynJPearson Posted September 28, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 28, 2021 Empty shelves in B&Q now.... Guess I should find this and get my coat off it 1 1 20 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alastairq Posted September 28, 2021 Share Posted September 28, 2021 13 minutes ago, Graham108 said: I can't see the union's putting up with that It's {whatever} govt's strategic policy. Like the military providing cover during Firepeeps strikes? The unions can stamp their feet as much as they like.....! The precautions are in place...and have been for some time. The public have demanded it in the past. [Actually achieved with Union Agreement, as it happens. Which is one reason why the training was/is so very much more intensive and in-depth when compared . The civilian instructors ....there are military-personnel instructors as well.............mostly belong to their own Union anyway [PCS] } 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium spamcan61 Posted September 28, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 28, 2021 2 hours ago, andytrains said: Probably trying to see if he/she could get a convoy of morons following it! Ah yes, "tanker winkers" as they are known. Well something that sounds a bit like winkers... 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titan Posted September 28, 2021 Share Posted September 28, 2021 Wonder if they would follow this one? 3 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hayfield Posted September 28, 2021 Share Posted September 28, 2021 2 hours ago, SamThomas said: People will always come up with "resaons &/or examples" (usually personal) why anything will not work. If supply chain issues continue we may not have any choice. The simple fact is, most people using the filling stations are insuring they have sufficient petrol for the foreseeable future, a few are in desperate need due to empty tanks. Others may have extremely good reasons why they need fuel. Its a temporary problem which apparently now is showing signs of getting better. Big brother is not required, which is unfortunate for the clip board brigade. Jobsworths are the last people we need to inflame the situation further 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham108 Posted September 28, 2021 Share Posted September 28, 2021 1 hour ago, alastairq said: Like the military providing cover during Firepeeps strikes? Yes but they have to use military appliances - Green Godesses as opposed to the shiny red thing used by Fireman Sam 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alastairq Posted September 28, 2021 Share Posted September 28, 2021 (edited) 49 minutes ago, Graham108 said: Yes but they have to use military appliances - Green Godesses as opposed to the shiny red thing used by Fireman Sam That's waaahaaay out of date. [I was also a Green Goddess Instructor...and that ticket timed out 10 years ago!] The military do not use Green Goddesses. [I expect they've all been sold off to motor caravan builders by now?] Either for their own purposes, or when providing emergency cover. What they will use, for providing emergency cover in a civilian role, are proper fire appliances that have been downgraded from the Fire brigades' current vehicles. {They will be kept in storage, maintained in working order. Just as all unallocated Government vehicles are] The machines will be mostly red, and very very few will have 4wd, or the pumping capacities of the old Green Goddess. The military personnel will also be under the auspices of the Home Office. Not the MoD. Just as in times past, when a Green Goddess surge was imposed, civilian MoD instructors found themselves working under Home Office auspices. Edited September 28, 2021 by alastairq 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Railpassion Posted September 28, 2021 Share Posted September 28, 2021 On my visit to Bridlington today I saw around 30 cars queueing at Morrissons for fuel, the other garages seemed to have run out. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butler Henderson Posted September 28, 2021 Share Posted September 28, 2021 7 hours ago, melmerby said: Has panic buying started in the supermarkets again? I know there have been one or two low stock or empty shelves but not massive shortages. That might be explained by a HGV driver who was interviewed who made his first delivery of industrial products and then was booked to pick up a trailer of fresh food but needed to fuel up first.... Local Asda has imposed a £30 max spend on fuel so encouraging unneccessary topping up, filling up water bottles etc. I was running on the empty warning light so £30 worth was definately not a full tank - what they should have done was impose a £30 min spend - have the pumps immediately going to £30 as soon as the fuel flows, that would make people think twice before topping up wiith a couple of quids worth ec, although that is probably beyond the pumps capability. 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium boxbrownie Posted September 28, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 28, 2021 4 hours ago, Graham108 said: I can't see the unions putting up with that If there are indeed unions covering the HGV drivers they ain’t doing a very good job it appears, wages and conditions seem poor. 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
APOLLO Posted September 28, 2021 Share Posted September 28, 2021 I believe the RAF are going to airlift fuel also, Get your re-fueling booms fitted !! Brit15 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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