York station in the 1950's.

[jcarta]

I do believe they were lost when the server had an issue about 12 months ago. It has affected many peoples pages.

[46256]

I’ve just returned from the Warley show. The free BRM show special features this magnificent layout. I’ve just shown my wife, the photographs. We both love to visit this city, and although she is not a railway enthusiast, she enjoys the presence of the great station building ( she likes New York Grand Central as well).

She is amazed by the photographs, quote “ how many times have we walked over that footbridge and seen that clock “ Thank you for an inspirational model.

[Bader242]

10 hours ago, jcarta said:

I do believe they were lost when the server had an issue about 12 months ago. It has affected many peoples pages.

Oh I see. That’s a shame. Thanks for the heads up. 👍

[pirouets]

Hi Pete, a question if I may. How do you do the window sills? I am making a row of terraced houses but I am going back to the start to fix an error and I think this is something I can improve on. My guess is its a thin piece of card inserted in to the base of the window opening so an allowance is made for this but cut to a depth that still allows the window to be fixed in place.

 

 

On 17/11/2023 at 15:14, kirtleypete said:

I realised I'd made a pigs ear of the back of the pub so I've altered it and incorporated the path.  The door to the cellar is a bit low but it will hardly be seen.

 

 

 

[Harry Lund]

Hi 46256.   That's very kind.  It was a lovely surprise for me too, and for the team.   Giles

[LNERGE]

On 12/10/2023 at 16:56, Harry Lund said:

meanwhile .....  ground texture in the loco yard continues apace.   And the distinctive flower beds between the Down Main and the loco departure sidings.  I've had help with this ....

 

 

 

Giles

 

Love the garden edging. My front garden has this round it. I have the LNER drawings if they are of any use though it looks like you have it under control. 

[Harry Lund]

Hi LNERGE.  Thanks for your kind comments.  Still a bit of work to do on colouring and texture, and installing the shrubs.   Bit like my own garden!   At some point in the New Year I will remove the boards into the space in the centre of the layout, and weather the Up and Down Mains, and finish these beds.

You mentioned LNER drawings.   Have you got any others?  A drawing of the carriage washing plant would be really helpful!

Giles

[LNERGE]

On 30/11/2023 at 19:59, Harry Lund said:

Hi LNERGE.  Thanks for your kind comments.  Still a bit of work to do on colouring and texture, and installing the shrubs.   Bit like my own garden!   At some point in the New Year I will remove the boards into the space in the centre of the layout, and weather the Up and Down Mains, and finish these beds.

You mentioned LNER drawings.   Have you got any others?  A drawing of the carriage washing plant would be really helpful!

Giles

I have a couple of versions of the LNER Concrete Articles Catalogue. Gate posts, fence posts, catch pits, signal bases and a bicycle stand!

[kirtleypete]

I have finally been able to get back to 'York' with the terraces after two weeks of weather delays. I needed to put them in place and to do a template for the backs of the river terrace. Thankfully after a bit of tweaking it all fitted.

 

Steve, the window sills are simply pieces of square section Plastruct glued in place. Nothing highly technical!  

 

 

 

 

Apart from the terraces themselves all the remaining work will be done in situ in the new year. 

 

Peter

[David Bell]

That is excellent work .

The rising terraces are particularly effective.

[pirouets]

4 hours ago, kirtleypete said:

Steve, the window sills are simply pieces of square section Plastruct glued in place. Nothing highly technical!  

Thanks. Turns out if I had turned round to the other side of my layout and looked at the station building I did last year I had come up with something similar. :-)

[kirtleypete]

I've pretty much finished the back of the terrace that faces the river; it's complicated because this part will be on a different board from the front half. The join along the roof will have to be done when it's in situ and made as discrete as possible. The chimneys for the main building are on the other half.

 

 

 

There will be detailing in the back yards but there's no point me ordering anything now until new year.

 

Peter

Edited December 22, 2023 by kirtleypete

[AdeMoore]

Great work Pete, looking mighty fine that terrace.

Remind me your chosen materials?

Slaters plastikard or is it papers? Perhaps neither!

Merry Christmas to you and Giles

Thanks for a great thread

Cheers

Ade

[Harry Lund]

Seasons greetings!

 

I am now at the point of no return.   The area of the layout rarely photographed on these pages or by Tony Wright for BRM is the temporary fiddle yard on the southern approaches.   

 

24 December 2023.

 

This photo is from the fiddle yard across the lifting section to the southern station throat.

 

 

and from the station looking south to the fiddle yard

 

 

and from the loco yard.   Peter's lovely painting of York, which featured in a post on page 37, I think, in the background.    He gave it to me as a Christmas present.  Thank you Peter.  

 

Giles

 

 

[Harry Lund]

27th December

 

Starting out on removing the temporary fiddle yard and baseboards.

 

 

Giles

 

[Harry Lund]

28th December

 

With the fiddle yard dismantled, I can no longer run trains round the circuit.   I have set myself the target of having the new baseboards and their supporting frames built in their final configuration by the end of January.  I'll post as I go along.

 

Giles

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited December 30, 2023 by Harry Lund

[Michael Hodgson]

That's a new lifting section in the forground ?

[Harry Lund]

Michael.  I'll post photos of the new arrangement of lifting sections as soon as I can.   Some delicate joinery required!   Giles

[Harry Lund]

In the meantime, Peter has completed the terraces, other than detailing the back gardens.  I collected them yesterday and installed them this morning.

 

The train in the background is a local stopper from York to Hull, having left platform 7, crossed the Ouse in the Scarborough Up Line and crossing over to the Down line before speeding away.  Hauled by a D20 from an Arthur Kimber kit.

 

 

Some fettling of the baseboard framework will be needed to settle each terrace at the right levels and inclines, so that they nestle comfortably in the removeable frames, needed to provide access to the storage yards under.

 

 

Peter also delivered the carriage washing plant which sits at the entrance to the Clifton carriage sidings, behind the North Loco Yard.   Another beautiful model to complement the Coaling Plant and the Water Tower.   Seen here in a typical setting with a J72 station pilot waiting for its next duty.

 

 

 

 

Re-examining the photos from which the washing shed was copied, I noticed that it actually sits on concrete hard standing, presumably with good drainage.  I'll sort that out in due course. 

 

Giles

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited January 5 by Harry Lund

[woodenhead]

10 minutes ago, Harry Lund said:

 

 

 

A strange interloper on shed, a long long way from home....

[Harry Lund]

Oops!

[Harry Lund]

Baseboards for the realigned section at the south end taking shape, sufficient to lay out some track to test whether its going to work aesthetically given the need to curve the various lines heading south back on themselves to fit the room available.   

 

My design criteria was that the access space between scenic boards and the Up Storage lines, off to the left on the photo, must by a minimum of 17" to allow for the inevitable expansion with age.   Of self, that is.   The white card is a mock up of the lifting section, relocated about 12" to the right.   The hinge will be along the left hand edge.

 

 

Views from the station looking south, and from the south looking north back to the station.

 

 

 

 

Giles

[Harry Lund]

Michael.   I mentioned that there was some delicate woodwork needed to reposition the lifting section.

 

Board 1, which carries much of the station throat at the southern end, needs to be shortened by about 12".

 

 

Step 1 was to cut through the rails along the line of the new baseboard edge using a minidrill, and then remove the 2 single slips and the toe section of the point.  And then carefully, oh so carefully, cut along the line of the split using a hand held circular saw.   Thankfully, I was on target, and the saw blade did not connect with the rails and rip them out. 

 

 

Step 2 was to complete the cut using a handsaw.   

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Michael Hodgson]

Wow - that's a very hairy piece of joinery - extremely well executed.  I don't think I'd have tried it - and I'm pretty sure I wouldn't have got away with it if I had!

 

I particularly like the allowance for "inevitable expansion with age" in your design criteria.  Although the doc took me off type 2 diabetes meds after I got down to what he calls "ideal BMI", I put on a stone over Xmas!  Finished eating the leftovers now, so it's time for another diet before he runs another blood test.

[Harry Lund]

When I built the station boards in 2020 during the 1st lockdown, I hadn't considered how I would install and operate the colour light signals.   Then Roger (picture a few pages back) asked the killer question.   'What do you want them to do?'     My first 'proper' layout used 7400 series ICs, reed switches and magnets under the locos to track the progress of a train round the main line so that the 4 aspect signals showed the correct G/R/Y/YY/G sequence.   It was mesmerising to watch, and so it will be on York, together with routes setting, interlocking, etc etc.   With a fair wind, and lots of help.    Roger and I have settled on iTrain software to drive the system.  Routes and signals only, no automation.

 

May I beg forgiveness from those of you who are DCC wizards for whom this stuff is second nature.   I'm hanging on by my bootstraps! 

 

Things have of course moved on in the DCC era, but the need for occupancy detection remains.  After some helpful tips from the iTrain team at Warley, I came to the realisation that for the scheme to work, there is no avoiding replicating the real system.  To cut a very long story short, this is what the track circuit diagram looks like for the detector circuitry at the southern end. 

 

 

Hopefully you can see Board 1 and the Lifting Section marked out with the dotted lines.   Board 1, the one being split, has 12 sections requiring detection.   Now is the time to retrofit.

 

I drew this from 1st principles.  I then compared it with the real track circuiting diagram from the 1951 signaling record.  Almost identical.   

 

Fortunately, the track has been laid with a dropper wire to each and every section of rail.  Most isolating breaks (on the J rail only of the J-K DCC track bus) are there already, by virtue of the multitude of common crossings.   Wiring to the detector module just requires me to disconnect the J droppers from the J busbars under and re-connect to the module inputs.    Some alterations to the arrangements for powering some of the common crossings is needed, but again quite straightforward.      

 

Here is the Board on its side from above:

 

 

I'll let you know how I get on with the wiring on the other side.

 

Board 1 has 12 occupancy sections, so two Lenz LRB101 modules.   Most boards (about 20 in all) have 8 sections or less, so one module will do.   Board 4 at the Northern end as 24 sections, so 3 modules.

 

Once this is done, I can progress the joinery for the lifting section, refit this board, and add the new boards to the south (see earlier posts)   

 

As ever

 

Giles