hayfield Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 1 hour ago, lapford34102 said: Test and Trace - still the elephant in the room ?? Stu And from what I have heard a lot of the public are extremely unhelpful and unwilling to comply 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium phil-b259 Posted January 31, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 31, 2021 11 minutes ago, John M Upton said: Apparently the Department for Education knew about the shutdown about lunchtime on the Monday and were all prepped to alert schools so that arrangements could be made in good time for Tuesday but they were ordered to do and say nothing as Doris wanted his 8pm Winston Churchill impression big speech to the nation moment. Pathetic Mind you not surprising - anyone who doesn't realise that Boris is motivated solely by Boris looking good (preferably Churchill like) is a fool. Should have remained as an amusing panel show host and never given the chance of power. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
69843 Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 Given that every so often WA wants to do what they are now calling 'WAxit" and become their own country, can we borrow Bugs Bunny and saw off the whole West Coast? After we save the last running K-Class English Electric (37 in a different shell) for the East, of course. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium boxbrownie Posted January 31, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 31, 2021 47 minutes ago, Dagworth said: I find it a shame that certain peoples political prejudices are so blatant in this topic. Andi It’s handy though as it indicates who you can take seriously or not....... 2 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hayfield Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 52 minutes ago, Oldddudders said: Let me see, do I recall correctly that on the Sunday evening 3rd January this year, Doris pronounced that schools must re-open the following day, because they were safe? So schools rolled up their sleeves, parents prepared their bambini and working parents knew they could go to work. Less than 24 hrs later, the same Doris pronounced that schools would be closed except for key-worker children, thus throwing teachers, and working parents, into overnight chaos? Did I dream that? And the French government is a shining light on how to react to the pandemic The school debate was at one time by a bunch of educational zealots, "schools open at all costs" Sadly especially with the new variant schools are a super breading ground for spreading the infection according to Essex's public health director. Thankfully the government have listened and acted upon the experts advice Now remind me how are the EU performing ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobby Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 5 minutes ago, boxbrownie said: It’s handy though as it indicates who you can take seriously or not....... Although it's frustrating as well, as fake news tends to spread because of such prejudices... It's easy to criticise when it's not you that has to make the decisions affecting millions of people, weighing up their needs and reactions as well as the economic needs of the country and needs of the medical community... I remember a debate very early in the first lockdown where they had a collection of experts covering all the various "advisors" the Gov has and one particular comment by one of the medical experts who had the grace to say that he did not envy those in government with all the contradictory advice they got and having to make a decision from all that information... I doubt any of us could have done any better. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted January 31, 2021 Author Share Posted January 31, 2021 T&T is probably as near as makes no difference irrelevant currently, except when it comes to specialist tracing for outbreaks in places like schools (if they were open), factories, offices etc., simply because way too many cases are 'on the go'. T, T and I can only work practically with small numbers of cases. To me its a thing to use to stamp out the last few embers of a fire, and monitor the smouldering, and deal with little glows that appear. How it could ever be expected to put-out a raging inferno, I don't know. Non compliance? Of course, bound to be some, that's human nature, especially British human nature, but if if TT&I operates against a very low background rate, and the 'I' part is dealt with so that it is as painless as possible (e.g. people isolating don't suddenly find themselves without an income; are held in a secure, but nice and comfy hotels), then it has some chance. Its about the right combination of sticks and carrots. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Jonboy Posted January 31, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 31, 2021 29 minutes ago, AY Mod said: We've been plagued for years with the impact of having too much PPI about. 6 minutes ago, hayfield said: And from what I have heard a lot of the public are extremely unhelpful and unwilling to comply For me the two go hand in hand, due to the scourge of ppi calls, dropped calls, insulation scams etc. for the last 15 or more years, I no longer bother to answer any call from unknown numbers unless I am expecting a call. I also know many others that do the same. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hayfield Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 21 minutes ago, John M Upton said: No, you didn't dream that. I still remember the frantic exchange of emails between myself and my little man's headteacher at ten to midnight on the Monday night over him coming in at half eight the next morning. Apparently the Department for Education knew about the shutdown about lunchtime on the Monday and were all prepped to alert schools so that arrangements could be made in good time for Tuesday but they were ordered to do and say nothing as Doris wanted his 8pm Winston Churchill impression big speech to the nation moment. Sadly for Exxex keeping the schools open when for weeks they knew the latest wave way led by young people was a deadly exercise, it was clearly visible from the testing results according to local health officers, certainly there was a large problem in the senior schools, and certainly locally there was an outbreak in the junior school. Sadly the educationalists shouted loudist. Resulting in Essex having as many deaths in the past 2 months are there were in the previous 9. Keeping the schools open was a major reason for the massive rise in infections. In hindsight the schools were closed far too late!! Since the schools have been shut and other measures taken our infection rate dropped 90% in 3 weeks. A wise decission 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Reorte Posted January 31, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 31, 2021 8 minutes ago, Nearholmer said: T&T is probably as near as makes no difference irrelevant currently, except when it comes to specialist tracing for outbreaks in places like schools (if they were open), factories, offices etc., simply because way too many cases are 'on the go'. T, T and I can only work practically with small numbers of cases. To me its a thing to use to stamp out the last few embers of a fire, and monitor the smouldering, and deal with little glows that appear. How it could ever be expected to put-out a raging inferno, I don't know. Non compliance? Of course, bound to be some, that's human nature, especially British human nature, but if if TT&I operates against a very low background rate, and the 'I' part is dealt with so that it is as painless as possible (e.g. people isolating don't suddenly find themselves without an income; are held in a secure, but nice and comfy hotels), then it has some chance. Its about the right combination of sticks and carrots. Definitely agree. Back when this all started I thought they gave up on contact tracing too soon, but in hindsight there were probably far too many undetected cases around at that point anyway. And last summer there may well have been too many too, but test and trace might still be a necessary step in stamping out the last few to eventually bring this all to an end (if it doesn't end up being something we just have to learn to live with from here on out, with regular vaccination keeping it more or less under control). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hayfield Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 10 minutes ago, Hobby said: Although it's frustrating as well, as fake news tends to spread because of such prejudices... It's easy to criticise when it's not you that has to make the decisions affecting millions of people, weighing up their needs and reactions as well as the economic needs of the country and needs of the medical community... I remember a debate very early in the first lockdown where they had a collection of experts covering all the various "advisors" the Gov has and one particular comment by one of the medical experts who had the grace to say that he did not envy those in government with all the contradictory advice they got and having to make a decision from all that information... I doubt any of us could have done any better. How very true, how the saying go show me the man who has never made a mistake and I will show you the person who has never made anything For some nothing will be good enough, or their political views blind them to others achievements. As I said Starmer is praising the government for our recent advances in combatting this awful disease. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dagworth Posted January 31, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 31, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, hayfield said: As I said Starmer is praising the government for our recent advances in combatting this awful disease. Amazing how things suddenly start working when it's the NHS doing it instead of incompetent private companies whose only qualification is that they donate to or are related to or are owned by members of the governing party. Andi Edited January 31, 2021 by Dagworth 12 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hayfield Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 1 minute ago, Dagworth said: Amazing how things suddenly start working when it's the NHS doing it instead of incompetent private companies whose only qualification is that they donate to the governing party. Andi Andy The trouble is the NHS could not start injecting people until a university was able to throw everything at it thanks to a massive cash injection the started working with one of those incompetent companies again funded by GB PLC to get the research completed, then many incompetent companies they making, bottling and distributing the vaccine so the NHS with the help of many incompetent voullinters. Its been a wonderful effort from all concerned from the top scientists to the volunteers manning the car parks. Yes the NHS are all heroes, but so are so many more unsung heroes 1 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocor Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 35 minutes ago, 69843 said: Given that every so often WA wants to do what they are now calling 'WAxit" and become their own country, can we borrow Bugs Bunny and saw off the whole West Coast? After we save the last running K-Class English Electric (37 in a different shell) for the East, of course. I would associate "Waxit" more with Brazil than Australia. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dagworth Posted January 31, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 31, 2021 (edited) 10 minutes ago, hayfield said: Andy The trouble is the NHS could not start injecting people until a university was able to throw everything at it thanks to a massive cash injection the started working with one of those incompetent companies again funded by GB PLC to get the research completed, then many incompetent companies they making, bottling and distributing the vaccine so the NHS with the help of many incompetent voullinters. Its been a wonderful effort from all concerned from the top scientists to the volunteers manning the car parks. Yes the NHS are all heroes, but so are so many more unsung heroes I don't count multinational Astra Zenica as one of the incompetent companies I was referring to. I don't believe they have family connections to the governing party... https://sophieehill.shinyapps.io/my-little-crony/ Andi Edited January 31, 2021 by Dagworth 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted January 31, 2021 Author Share Posted January 31, 2021 I don't know why anybody currently bothers making obviously political points about the UK leadership, and I especially don't know why anybody wastes their breath banging-on about what an Evil Empire the EU is, because: 1) we are years away from a general election, so the government we have, love-it-dearly, or lump it, is the government we have; and, 2) we left the EU, and even the most ardent europhile wouldn't be thinking there's any prospect of us re-joining for the foreseeable. 4 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 2 minutes ago, rocor said: I would associate "Waxit" more with Brazil than Australia. And that came from the USA! It was on the radio the other night. The procedure was an American idea using wax from Brazil, hence it was called a Brazilian Wax. Off topic, but more interesting than most of the last few pages..... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddieB Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 1 hour ago, lapford34102 said: Test and Trace - still the elephant in the room ?? Stu Unspeakable, O Queen, is this grief you bid me anew? T & T is what happens when you appoint a crony with a poor track record of delivery. Unfortunately Governments of all stripes have blindly followed this well-trodden path for well over 20 years. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobby Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 21 minutes ago, hayfield said: Resulting in Essex having as many deaths in the past 2 months are there were in the previous 9. Keeping the schools open was a major reason for the massive rise in infections. Hang on, are you saying that those deaths were amongst the school age children and their under 50 years old parents? Or that those children and parents weren't keeping to their "bubble" and were therefore spreading it across the vulnerable groups where the deaths were? I'm not trying to be clever here, just understand where the deaths were and how they got to that part of the population. Whilst Covid will spread quicker when schools are open the population that are affected by that should be in the lest vulnerable part of the population (the under 50s) so the recorded deaths shouldn't go up unless they aren't abiding by the regulations concerning contacts/distancing/bubbles etc.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted January 31, 2021 Author Share Posted January 31, 2021 Just now, EddieB said: Governments of all stripes have blindly followed this well-trodden path for well over 20 years. 20 years?! 20 centuries more like. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobby Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 24 minutes ago, hayfield said: As I said Starmer is praising the government for our recent advances in combatting this awful disease. Yet he wanted us to join the EU vaccine deals... 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcm@gwr Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 7 minutes ago, Hobby said: Hang on, are you saying that those deaths were amongst the school age children and their under 50 years old parents? Or that those children and parents weren't keeping to their "bubble" and were therefore spreading it across the vulnerable groups where the deaths were? I'm not trying to be clever here, just understand where the deaths were and how they got to that part of the population. Whilst Covid will spread quicker when schools are open the population that are affected by that should be in the lest vulnerable part of the population (the under 50s) so the recorded deaths shouldn't go up unless they aren't abiding by the regulations concerning contacts/distancing/bubbles etc.? I think that most schoolchildren have grandparents! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddieB Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 9 minutes ago, Nearholmer said: 20 years?! 20 centuries more like. Yes, such practices may have been around longer, but there was a step-change not entirely without the influence of the Paymaster General at that time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobby Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 They might, but the advice is also to protect them, so perhaps not going round and giving them hugs, not wearing a mask when near them, etc., etc. With the current advice if they were doing what they are told it wouldn't spread to those grandparents. But that's been the story of the pandemic in the UK... It's only advice and so we can ignore it... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobby Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 And we wonder why it's still spreading... https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/police-break-up-boat-party-of-more-than-70-people-in-north-acton-on-grand-union-canal/ar-BB1dg2iL?ocid=mailsignout&li=BBoPWjQ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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