18B Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 Good evening, would anyone happen to know were there are pics of the XP64 train available for publication, there seems very few of it even anywhere..... TIA. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold john new Posted August 16, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 16, 2021 (edited) I am sure the railway magazines of the time would have featured it but have not got a surviving archive. I know I have seen photos of it so they are around. From memory a blue 47, red square/rectangle on the cab side with the double arrow logo. One of the coaches was (is) on the NYMR and, again from memory, had a chamfered edge to the body side above the solebars unlike the straight edge of the basic Mk1s Edited August 16, 2021 by john new Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold pheaton Posted August 16, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 16, 2021 (edited) https://www.flickr.com/photos/70023venus2009/8179828428 https://twitter.com/_doublearrow/status/791410051772780550 not my photo, but there is the coaching stock..... and there it is in glorious technicolour Edited August 16, 2021 by pheaton Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
18B Posted August 16, 2021 Author Share Posted August 16, 2021 31 minutes ago, pheaton said: https://www.flickr.com/photos/70023venus2009/8179828428 https://twitter.com/_doublearrow/status/791410051772780550 not my photo, but there is the coaching stock..... and there it is in glorious technicolour the Technicolor pics are Photographs Copyright © NRM / British Transport Films / Science & Society Picture Library. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold pheaton Posted August 16, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 16, 2021 (edited) 36 minutes ago, 18B said: the Technicolor pics are Photographs Copyright © NRM / British Transport Films / Science & Society Picture Library. which is why i posted the link and not the photos but apologies didnt see you wanted them for publication Edited August 16, 2021 by pheaton 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CKPR Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 (edited) "project XP64" in Railway Modeller August 1964 has both photographs and plans for the XP64 coaches. Edited August 16, 2021 by CKPR 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 53 minutes ago, pheaton said: ....... didn't see you wanted them for publication No doubt permission to publish could be obtained from the copyright holders - even if it takes a little time to organise and coins of the realm need to be passed over. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium keefer Posted August 16, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 16, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, CKPR said: "project XP64" in Railway Modeller August 1964 has both photographs and plans for the XP64 coach. Publicity material for 'Project XP64' available on Railwaysarchive site (don't know if it's the same thing): https://www.railwaysarchive.co.uk/documents/BRB_XP641964.pdf The design of the coaches was covered in 'Modern Railways' March 1963 issue: Modern Railways magazine March 1963 - British Railways coach of the future by mikeyashworth, on Flickr (Doesn't help the OP but posted for interest) Edited August 16, 2021 by keefer 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium keefer Posted August 16, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 16, 2021 (edited) The XP64 train was featured in 'Modern Railways' July 1964: https://www.flickr.com/photos/36844288@N00/albums/72157714338328452 Pic by David Christie on Flickr: Edited August 17, 2021 by keefer Removed duplicate text 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted August 17, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 17, 2021 The loco was D1733, and did not always run with the XP64 set, which IIRC did not feature brake or catering vehicles, only an open second and corridor first with the corridor on different sides of the central vestibule. Normal liveried locos could be seen hauling the set as well, but D1733 had the job most of the time. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 11 hours ago, john new said: I am sure the railway magazines of the time would have featured it but have not got a surviving archive. I know I have seen photos of it so they are around. From memory a blue 47, red square/rectangle on the cab side with the double arrow logo. One of the coaches was (is) on the NYMR and, again from memory, had a chamfered edge to the body side above the solebars unlike the straight edge of the basic Mk1s They had two of them at one time, one was a compartment type thing where the corridor swapped sides half way down and the other was a mixture of tables and airline seating not lined up with the windows. I haven't actually looked at the crud in the end of the siding at Pickering for a while but they might both still be up there, I don't think they can be moved off site because of all the heritage insulation. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Re6/6 Posted August 17, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 17, 2021 The XP64 set was a regular on the 1805 Plymouth - Cardiff service in the seventies. An interesting sight! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium keefer Posted August 17, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 17, 2021 (edited) XP64 train on 09.00 Paddington-Swansea at Newport, 29/05/1965. By Ray Viney on Flickr: Zooming in, the Mk1 RU is E1991 (with no red catering strip). Obviously an early repaint into b/g, note it has the small numbers. Was it repainted to use with the train or had it been done anyway, thus being suitable for use in the train? Edited August 17, 2021 by keefer 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 (edited) From K.Parkin Mk.1 Coaching Stock : Mk.1 BSKs 35411 & 35424, with 13409 as spare, plus RU 1991 and FO 3150 refurbished and repainted for use with the XP64 coaches. Edited August 17, 2021 by BernardTPM 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 Looks like 1991 survives as a Camping Coach at Dawlish, 3150 is with the S.R.P.S., the two brakes disappeared without trace, as did 4727, 13408 & 9. 4728 & 25508 are at the Weardale Railway and 4729 at the Dean Forest - 13407 was also at the D.F.R. but has since been scrapped. ( Info from the Carriage Survey ) Norchard, 20/4/87 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted August 17, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 17, 2021 4 hours ago, keefer said: XP64 train on 09.00 Paddington-Swansea at Newport, 29/05/1965. By Ray Viney on Flickr: Zooming in, the Mk1 RU is E1991 (with no red catering strip). Obviously an early repaint into b/g, note it has the small numbers. Was it repainted to use with the train or had it been done anyway, thus being suitable for use in the train? Yes, repainted to match the train, as were the BSKs. B/G as a normal service livery did not appear until 1966, the first examples IIRC being for the opening of the full electric service on the Euston/Birmingham/Liverpool/Manchester 25kv scheme though I may be confusing this with the first full sets of mk2 stock. Mk2 FKs were built in late 1964 and during 1965, I think at Swindon, for the ECML and Southern Region, painted in the existing lined maroon livery and featuring 4 panel ventilator windows despite the 3 panel style having already been used on the XP64 stock; it was the 3 panel type that was used in the mk2 stock for the LMR, which included seconds, in blue\grey. AFAIK, and I'm happy to be corrected, no new mk1 stock was built after the XP64 appeared, though the Southern Region's Bounremouth 750vdc stock was introduced in 1967 to replace steam hauled stock and was to a mk1 profile and interior styling. This was originally in plain blue, with brushed alumumium double arrows beneath the cab side windows, which I thought looked very smart with syp. From 1966, and in conjunction with the introduction of blue/grey livery, there was a program of refurbishment for more recent mk1 coaches to make them suitable for 100mph running, which were given B4 bogies, re-upholstered seats, new fluorescemt interior lighting, and new interior panelling. Other mk1 coaches remained in service well into the 70s, being painted in the blue/grey livery as they came up for overhaul, these being used for secondary services and charter/excursion work, retaining their B1 bogies, 'traditional' lighting, and original interior trim. 100mph running required Commonwealth or B4 bogies. IIRC the unrefurbished mk1s were restricted to 75mph. The loco is not D1733 but a sister in the two tone green syp livery normal at the time for this class, illustrating my point that other locos could haul the XP64 set if D1733 was not available. Plenty of plates on the up relief if the restaurant car runs short... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 23 minutes ago, The Johnster said: ........ Mk2 FKs were built in late 1964 and during 1965, I think at Swindon, for the ECML and Southern Region, painted in the existing lined maroon livery ...... The Southern ones were painted in the existing green livery - actually Derby built, 1963-64. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 2 hours ago, The Johnster said: AFAIK, and I'm happy to be corrected, no new mk1 stock was built after the XP64 appeared, No passenger carrying stock: some 'booth' restaurant cars, exhibition vans, bullions flats. The most new builds were extra TPO stock, 1968-'73. Mk.1 EMU continued to be built for some time, of course, the last being 4-VEPs, into the early 1970s. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 Always seems odd that the VEPs continued the Mk1 tradition when the concept of a MkII EMU had already been proven with the AM10s. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyRule1 Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 This is the only picture I have of any XP64 stock in use: W4728 at Reading 27-Jul-74. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium keefer Posted August 17, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 17, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, BernardTPM said: Mk.1 EMU continued to be built for some time, of course, the last being 4-VEPs, into the early 1970s. Didn't realise the VEP construction lasted until 1974. I thought the last Mk1 stock built was DMS vehicles for the final four REP units, it would depend when they were finished as to which was the 'last'. EDIT: Just managed to find my copy of Longworth, which lists last 4VEP as 05/74 and last 4REP as 10/74 Edited August 17, 2021 by keefer 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 Yes, I remember when I was persuaded to go train-spotting with a a friend back around 1973 I was surprised that they were still being delivered new. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halvarras Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 I remember occasionally seeing these on the WR in the early 1970s, particularly around Reading (I knew about them thanks to having a copy of the March 1963 'Modern Railways' mag as illustrated by keefer above - interesting now to read that sprayed asbestos insulation was an improvement !) One Sunday evening my train to Swindon rolled into Reading and I noticed one of the XP64 SOs in the formation - its lighting was off for some reason but I wasn't going to let that rob me of an opportunity to travel in a former XP64 vehicle which I had to myself, along with strange looks from the guard! Actually it's surprising how much more you can see outside with the lights off...... OT for a moment, in 1984 during 4 months' commuting between Swindon and Bristol I noticed one evening that one of the HST's SOs had no raised beading around its windows so grabbed a ride in one of the prototype HST's trailers......sometimes it really is what you know, not who you know !! 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
roythebus1 Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 On 16/08/2021 at 20:48, CKPR said: "project XP64" in Railway Modeller August 1964 has both photographs and plans for the XP64 coaches. Which also prompted CJ Freezer coining the phrase "Modelling the Modern Image" on the front cover. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
roythebus1 Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 Surely the REPS were converted from existing loco-hauled stock, so were not new build at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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