Pete the Elaner Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Obi-Jiff Kenobi said: I bet it'll be some time before the FIA actually remove the Russian GP from the calendar. Despite ruling over such a fast-paced sport, their response is often glacially slow, especially to world events. Remember March 2020, when the whole circus rocked up in Oz for the opening race, despite most countries going into lockdown of some sort? I remember it well. Australia locked themselves down very tightly very quickly, which is why they had very few cases for the first year. If F1 had arrived after this, they would have had issues with quarantine. But they didn't because they got there first. Only then did many people start complaining about various governments reacting too slowly. But I take your point about F1 usually putting money ahead of principles. Edited February 24, 2022 by Pete the Elaner 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 Sebastian Vettel says the Russian Grand Prix should be cancelled - and he will not be there if the race goes ahead. Russian forces invaded Ukraine on Thursday morning on the orders of Russian President Vladimir Putin, who is closely associated with his country's F1 race. Four-time champion Vettel said: "I should not go, I will not go. We should not race in the country. "I am sorry for the innocent people who are being killed for stupid reasons." Vettel said Russia had "a very strange and mad leadership". He added that he was "shocked" by events in Ukraine, and that while "we will see [what happens] going forward, my decision [on whether to race in Russia] is already made". Reigning champion Max Verstappen added: "When a country is at war, it is not right to race there." 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jol Wilkinson Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 Good for Seb. Max has a bit of a reputation for doing what many consider "is not right". If the Russian GP happens, he'll be there. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obi-Jiff Kenobi Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 (edited) To quote Keke Rosberg (the finest moustache to race in F1): "The fact is that we F1 drivers are like (ladies of negotiable virtue). If the money is right we'll turn up anywhere to do our stuff." Drivers who consider themselves in contention for the championship will race, wherever the race is held. That doesn't say much for Vettel's opinion of the newest Aston Martin! Edited February 24, 2022 by Obi-Jiff Kenobi Actual quoted word removed by system, substituted with euphemism! 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejstubbs Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 23 hours ago, Zomboid said: I doubt jet engines would actually be much help on an F1 car. Certainly didn't work very well for Lotus in 1971: https://www.racefans.net/2007/03/08/banned-gas-turbine-engines/ Quote The turbine car had many shortcomings. Lag in power delivery was massive – although Pratt & Whitney’s technicians managed to halve the delay using lighter components it was still up to three seconds. The phenomenon also occurred in reverse – when a driver backed off the throttle the engine still delivered maximum power*, meaning it had to be manhandled to a halt (it had no gearbox) using enormous brakes that wore out quickly. The article doesn't mention precessionary forces as one of the downsides. Given that it says that the gas turbine engine was lighter than a normal F1 power plant of the time, maybe the mass wasn't there to cause much of a problem? The Pratt & Whitney PT6 of which a variant was used in the Lotus 56 and 56B was a small turboprop aero engine which Wiki says weighs about 270lb (which I think is for the whole engine including the gearbox which provides the shaft output) vs ~370lb for a Cosworth DFV (cf up to 555lb for the BRM H16!) Since this is RMWeb I should add that a variant of the engine de-rated to 300bhp was used in the UAC TurboTrain. * Er, yeah, been there, done that once in the university engineering lab. Long story, but we were within seconds of departing the rather 'compact' gas turbine lab via the emergency exit before the thing finally started to spool down and the exhaust temperature began heading back towards "no it's not going to set the whole place on fire" levels. Luckily the lab supervisor never found out as I doubt he'd have let us across his threshold again if he had... 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocor Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 42 minutes ago, ejstubbs said: Certainly didn't work very well for Lotus in 1971: https://www.racefans.net/2007/03/08/banned-gas-turbine-engines/ The article doesn't mention precessionary forces as one of the downsides. Given that it says that the gas turbine engine was lighter than a normal F1 power plant of the time, maybe the mass wasn't there to cause much of a problem? The Pratt & Whitney PT6 of which a variant was used in the Lotus 56 and 56B was a small turboprop aero engine which Wiki says weighs about 270lb (which I think is for the whole engine including the gearbox which provides the shaft output) vs ~370lb for a Cosworth DFV (cf up to 555lb for the BRM H16!) Since this is RMWeb I should add that a variant of the engine de-rated to 300bhp was used in the UAC TurboTrain. * Er, yeah, been there, done that once in the university engineering lab. Long story, but we were within seconds of departing the rather 'compact' gas turbine lab via the emergency exit before the thing finally started to spool down and the exhaust temperature began heading back towards "no it's not going to set the whole place on fire" levels. Luckily the lab supervisor never found out as I doubt he'd have let us across his threshold again if he had... Putting Helicopter engines into cars does not have a particular successful history. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obi-Jiff Kenobi Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 The shortcomings were less apparent in the original version, designed for and used in the 1968 Indy 500. Sustained high speed running with little to no braking except for regular fuel stops, low frontal area, clean doorstop shape, light weight, four-wheel drive, and very capable of winning but for failure of a small component. That version also had the best livery, STP fluorescent orange, with dayglo yellow accents - quite striking! Indy changed the rules for the next year, they thought a grid full of wingless fighter planes whistling round the track might have less appeal for car-mad fans than noisy piston engines. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 Keeping it within the rules Chris Medland F1 journalist in Barcelona Formula 1's intention with the 2022 regulations was to come up with a set of rules that made for better racing - by closing up the field, and making overtaking easier. Managing director Ross Brawn said last week that F1 would seek to close any avenues opened up by teams in the quest for performance that went against the philosophy of the rules. And technical director Pat Symonds is in Barcelona looking at the solutions the teams have come up with to try to understand what impact they might have. So far, Symonds says he isn't surprised or worried by any direction a team has taken, noting the Red Bull as the most aggressive but still a development concept F1 thought some teams might follow. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 F1 teams will meet tonight to discuss future of Russian GP after Ukraine invasion. https://www.racefans.net/2022/02/24/f1-teams-will-meet-tonight-to-discuss-future-of-russian-gp-after-ukraine-invasion/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 Ricciardo keeps McLaren on top as Perez stops on track. https://www.racefans.net/2022/02/24/ricciardo-keeps-mclaren-on-top-as-perez-stops-on-track/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 Hamilton backs F1’s decision to end We Race As One grid moment. https://www.racefans.net/2022/02/24/hamilton-backs-f1s-decision-to-end-we-race-as-one-grid-moment/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 Re Haas, and GS pulling out of tonight's meeting to discuss Russian GP, will American owned Haas still be aloud to accept Russian money as a tittle sponsor for the Car? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 (edited) 17:32 The final times And here's how the day panned out on the timesheets... 1. Charles Leclerc (Ferrari) 1:19.689 – 79 laps 2. Pierre Gasly (Alpha Tauri) 1:19.918 – 147 laps 3. Daniel Ricciardo (McLaren) 1:20.288 – 126 laps 4. George Russell (Mercedes) 1:20.537 - 66 laps 5. Carlos Sainz (Ferrari) 1:20.546 – 71 laps 6. Sebastian Vettel (Aston Martin) 1:20.784 - 74 laps 7. Sergio Perez (Red Bull) – 1.21.430 – 78 laps 8. Nikita Mazepin (Haas) 1:21.512 – 42 laps 9. Alexander Albon (Williams) 1:21.531 – 47 laps 10. Guanyu Zhou (Alfa Romeo) 1:21.885 - 71 laps 11. Nicholas Latifi (Williams) 1:21.894 – 61 laps 12. Lance Stroll (Aston Martin) 1:21.920 – 55 laps 13. Mick Schumacher (Haas) 1:21.949 – 66 laps 14. Esteban Ocon (Alpine) 1:22.164 – 125 laps 15. Valtteri Bottas (Alfa Romeo) 1:22.288 – 21 laps 16. Lewis Hamilton (Mercedes) 1:22.562 – 40 laps Last year's Mercedes pairing - Lewis Hamilton and Valtteri Bottas - who took their team to the constructors' title, are the slowest two, while Charles Leclerc tops the times. Edited February 24, 2022 by Andrew P 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 57xx Posted February 24, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 24, 2022 9 hours ago, Andrew P said: Floor damage a problem for all teams says Schumacher after just 23 laps for Haas https://www.racefans.net/2022/02/23/floor-damage-a-problem-for-all-teams-says-schumacher-after-just-23-laps-for-haas/ Could be just what's needed to stop the drivers abusing track limits. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 Haas to ditch Russian sponsor branding for final test day in Barcelona https://www.gpfans.com/en/f1-news/76491/haas-to-ditch-russian-sponsor-branding-for-final-test-day-in-barcelona/?fbclid=IwAR3pN2_Ptu90I8x3HqVRx9X0c_WcgbJ9YcxKQ3nY5XYTrv5sxE_x8_vQjng 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Andrew P Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 Mercedes reveal Hamilton issues that left seven-time F1 champion propping up times. https://www.gpfans.com/en/f1-news/76495/mercedes-reveal-hamilton-issues-that-left-seven-time-f1-champion-propping-up-times/?fbclid=IwAR1z9YgI0SZfnMefk0bTKHBppbTU5dAX9bU7uCEaSDVv3WInTJ0Dq7mXMn0 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 All white Haas. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 Without the Russian funding, can Gene Haas afford to pay his way? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 57xx Posted February 25, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 25, 2022 2 minutes ago, Andrew P said: All white Haas. So Haas finally admit they were carrying the russian flag as their livery. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted February 25, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 25, 2022 40 minutes ago, Andrew P said: Without the Russian funding, can Gene Haas afford to pay his way? And will Mazepin, already at the bottom of the drivers' popularity league table, find life becomes even more uncomfortable at races? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted February 25, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 25, 2022 7 minutes ago, Oldddudders said: And will Mazepin, already at the bottom of the drivers' popularity league table, find life becomes even more uncomfortable at races? He’s not representing the State though so unless his personal statements support it or his direct funding does it shouldn’t be an issue just for being Russian. I guess it will depend how tied in his family funding is to the State. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zomboid Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 Mazepin hasn't come across as terribly likeable yet (though was he ever going to get good press?), but he's an individual in his own right and shouldn't be judged by the actions of his parents or those they associate with. He should be judged by his own words and actions. And if I were him, I'd be saying as little as possible for now and just driving the car. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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