Andrew P Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 End of the first Test of 2022 and all made it to the end except Haas, Alpine and Aston Martin. Hamilton lays down a marker in the dying minutes. 17:02 Chequered flag That's it. The final day of testing draws to a close with Lewis Hamilton topping the timesheet ahead of Mercedes team-mate George Russell. 17:04 Post update Lewis Hamilton had sneaked in one more quick lap for good measure, so finishes testing top of the order with 1:19.138. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 Haas haven't had the best of luck with Sponsors, first Rich Energy, and now this. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 Gary Rose NEW Posted at 17:1517:15 Final times Lewis Hamilton (Mercedes) – 1:19.138– 94 laps George Russell (Mercedes) 1:19.233 – 66 laps Sergio Perez (Red Bull) – 1:19.556 – 74 laps Max Verstappen (Red Bull) 1:19.756 – 59 laps Sebastian Vettel (Aston Martin) 1:19.824 – 48 laps Charles Leclerc (Ferrari) 1:19.831 – 44 laps Carlos Sainz (Ferrari) – 1:20.072 – 92 laps Alexander Albon (Williams) 1:20.318 – 94 laps Nicholas Latifi (Williams) 1:20.699 – 13 laps Daniel Ricciardo (McLaren) – 1:20.790 – 86 laps Lando Norris (McLaren) 1:20.827 – 52 laps Fernando Alonso (Alpine) 1:21.242 – 12 laps Guanyu Zhou (Alfa Romeo) 1:21.939 – 41 laps Pierre Gasly (Alpha Tauri) 1:22.469 – 40 laps Nikita Mazepin (Haas) 1:26.229 – nine laps Valtteri Bottas (Alfa Romeo) – 1:30.433 – 10 laps 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddieB Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 2 hours ago, Andrew P said: Or how about Roman Grosjean back, he knows the Car, the Team and they know him. Therein lies the problem... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zomboid Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 2 hours ago, Oldddudders said: George seems to have been the only one on C5 Lewis went out on C5s at the end too. Don't know if anyone else did. Times from this test mean nothing whatsoever. Even less than usual with the new aero regulations. What's promising is that most teams managed to do a large volume of laps, and nobody was half an hour off the back. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNERandBR Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 Lots of time spent on the track is what was needed here. Putting fast laptimes in really wasn't the aim, milage and data gathering sounds like it was the order of the days. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted February 25, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 25, 2022 And discovering the porpoising. Danny R said you’re bouncing 30-40mm. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNERandBR Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 Yeah, that sounds like the biggest problem the teams will need to get on top of. Apparently, it was an issue back in the 70s before ground effect was banned. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RMweb Premium SR71 Posted February 25, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 25, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, LNERandBR said: Yeah, that sounds like the biggest problem the teams will need to get on top of. Apparently, it was an issue back in the 70s before ground effect was banned. Yup. To avoid it you end up with almost rigid suspension. The ride by the end was virtually unmanageable for the drivers without the benefit of active suspension. The effectiveness increases the closer the car runs to the ground (so teams will run as low as possible) until the bottom touches the ground and the air flow stalls. Car pops up then and the process starts again. The key to ground effect working is keeping the gap to the ground as small as possible but as stable as possible. I'm surprised the FIA didn't consider the lotus twin chassis concept for this revamp. It was intended to give the driver a better ride (being lotus of cause it was the machinery that was the concern) while mounting the aero bits separately. Edited February 25, 2022 by SR71 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium SR71 Posted February 25, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 25, 2022 Another thought. Has anyone read the rules to know if duel springs are allowed with the simplified suspension regs? That was the pre active solution. Softer springs for when the aero wasn't so much in effect. Then harder springs the car settled into under aero load that minimised bottoming out. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 Andretti confirms Renault deal for F1 "quantum leap". https://www.gpfans.com/en/f1-news/76577/andretti-confirms-renault-deal-for-f1-quantum-leap/?fbclid=IwAR2YTwdQvFVlB1nvdC-Oxrtybl0QsQYV2Kzbr9K29gql3TbtQQDCTpYiO-E 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted February 26, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 26, 2022 Who dun wot. Analysis of the Barcelona test in numbers. https://www.pitpass.com/71879/Ferrari-leads-the-way-in-test-mileage 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejstubbs Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 19 hours ago, Andrew P said: Or how about Roman Grosjean back, he knows the Car, the Team and they know him. With the rule changes, it'll be a significantly different car to the one he last raced for them. In any case, he seems quite comfortable in IndyCar these days; he's contracted to Andretti for 2022. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 7 minutes ago, ejstubbs said: With the rule changes, it'll be a significantly different car to the one he last raced for them. In any case, he seems quite comfortable in IndyCar these days; he's contracted to Andretti for 2022. If Fitipaldi gets the Drive, as Haas has said he would if Maz is out, then they will have Son and Grandson of two ex World Champions driving probably the slowest car of the pack, (although Alfa could be in contention for that honour). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 George Russell Brings Up Safety Concerns With 2022 F1 Cars. https://www.essentiallysports.com/f1-news-george-russell-brings-up-safety-concerns-with-2022-f1-cars/?fbclid=IwAR1SXm5AbuuUo5QZRHgGIus6VlRnqSHqSSFwB138j6hTVcnuZKaJWmxso8I 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium SR71 Posted February 26, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 26, 2022 George makes a valid point but I've not seen anyone talk about what happens if you spin. Going backwards at speed the air going into a Venturi has the probability of lifting the car off the ground so over safety barriers and into catch fencing. This would be a much bigger safety concern. Without addressing this I feel F1 has forgotten why the flat floor rule was brought in. I think Venturis are the right way to go but they need flaps, or similar, like a NASCAR to stop the air flow in the reverse direction. 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 Ferrari backing Antonio Giovinazzi to replace Nikita Mazepin at Haas. Yesterday Gunther Steiner did not deny having considered every scenario, indicating Pietro Fittipaldi (the team’s third driver for three years) as the first option https://scuderiafans.com/ferrari-backing-antonio-giovinazzi-to-replace-nikita-mazepin-at-haas/?fbclid=IwAR2QiuUOVrIymBtNvrTWqiUTIOv7JdZqRDoJqWUrqmhSu6cvejCbLqDp04A 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 Alfa Romeo: First images of new C42. https://www.gpfans.com/en/f1-news/76660/alfa-romeo-first-images-of-new-c42/?fbclid=IwAR2I-4KSiPpi8vOi6ljXjsqkj8wvC3vQWR9-XwOY7QqPCxq3h0cq-7liri0 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 Andretti team would “spice things up” in F1 says Alpine’s Rossi. https://www.racefans.net/2022/02/27/racefans-round-up-27-02-5/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocor Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 23 hours ago, Andrew P said: George Russell Brings Up Safety Concerns With 2022 F1 Cars. https://www.essentiallysports.com/f1-news-george-russell-brings-up-safety-concerns-with-2022-f1-cars/?fbclid=IwAR1SXm5AbuuUo5QZRHgGIus6VlRnqSHqSSFwB138j6hTVcnuZKaJWmxso8I Maybe the FIA should have extensively tested the reference 2022 car, not just constructed one for illustrative purposes. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 13 minutes ago, rocor said: Maybe the FIA should have extensively tested the reference 2022 car, not just constructed one for illustrative purposes. That would have needed some thought from Brawn & Co first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted February 27, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 27, 2022 Think of it as an interesting challenge for them to solve as they constantly bang on about how clever they are with technology that can filter down to the roads Strangely Danny R said it’s bad on theirs yet they were showing very strong laps and endurance. One of those things that could be solved quite easily with movable aero parts to prevent the stall but that’s banned 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocor Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 7 minutes ago, PaulRhB said: One of those things that could be solved quite easily with movable aero parts to prevent the stall but that’s banned Or active suspension, which is also banned. https://www.racefans.net/2019/07/19/why-f1-rejected-proposal-to-legalise-active-suspension-in-2021/ If any team does come up with a brilliant solution to the problem within the rules, It is likely that the FIA will just change the rules mid-season. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 1 hour ago, PaulRhB said: Think of it as an interesting challenge for them to solve as they constantly bang on about how clever they are with technology that can filter down to the roads Strangely Danny R said it’s bad on theirs yet they were showing very strong laps and endurance. One of those things that could be solved quite easily with movable aero parts to prevent the stall but that’s banned 1 hour ago, rocor said: Or active suspension, which is also banned. https://www.racefans.net/2019/07/19/why-f1-rejected-proposal-to-legalise-active-suspension-in-2021/ If any team does come up with a brilliant solution to the problem within the rules, It is likely that the FIA will just change the rules mid-season. Hydralastic suspension, like the old days of the BMC 1100, 1300, and 1800. Lando = PIT, PIT, PIT, We need to pump you up a bit. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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