RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted September 10, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 10, 2022 And de Vries gets into Q2, while Latifi doesn't! Great debut in a modest car! 1 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozzer models Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 17 minutes ago, Oldddudders said: And de Vries gets into Q2, while Latifi doesn't! Great debut in a modest car! & with very little running in the car compared to Latifi 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted September 10, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 10, 2022 He was 13th in Q2, but with several drivers being moved back under the penalty system, will probably start in the Top 10. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted September 10, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 10, 2022 My calculation says de Vries starts 10th. With Leclerc and George on the front row, and the McLarens on row 2, this is a very mixed up grid. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hroth Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 Perhaps this is sneaky experimentation with reversed grids? The concept that dare not speak its name... 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gareth Collier Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 What a complete mess F1 is becoming with the vast array of penalties. Post qualifying it was clear the drivers had no idea where they actually on the grid. Max qualified 2nd yet starts 4th despite a 5 place grid penalty and de Vries finds himself in 8th on his debut! Nearly half the starters have a penalty, may as well just draw the grid out of a hat. 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted September 10, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 10, 2022 This is how Pitpass sees it, and the BBC says much the same thing. https://www.pitpass.com/73602/Italian-GP-Starting-Grid https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/latest 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gareth Collier Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 57 minutes ago, Oldddudders said: This is how Pitpass sees it, and the BBC says much the same thing. https://www.pitpass.com/73602/Italian-GP-Starting-Grid https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/latest Shows how complicated it is. Sky originally posted that Max was 4th but have now revised it to 7th. I guess we'll just have to wait and see who parks where when they line up 🙂 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gareth Collier Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 It's not just F1 being ruined by rules. I'm not sure of alternatives but the F3 season just ended in a farce. An accident 5 laps from the end brought out the red flag so they all filed into the pit lane. Martins was in 3rd so after the restart he would need to maintain it to be champion but then it was announced he had a 5 second penalty for track limits so he would have to go for it at the restart but it didn't look good. The race was then declared over so no restart so it looked like Martins was in trouble as the result would go back to the end of the previous lap before the red flag. At this point more penalties were announced and were being given out like they were going out of fashion. It took over 25 minutes of the drivers standing around twiddling their thumbs before the stewards managed to finalise the finish order after all the penalties. Martins was champion but what a chaotic way to end the season. 4 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobby Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 "Bearman attempted a pass for the lead on lap 16 but Maloney defended, with Bearman being forced to take the shortcut through the chicane and stay behind. Shortly after, a Safety Car was called after Kush Maini and Brad Benavides crashed out of the second Lesmo, both cars ending up on the grass and in the wall on the inside. There was a red flag called with five laps to go, in order to clear Maini and Benavides’ cars. During the red flag, Martins was issued a five-second time penalty for four track limits violations, putting his championship seemingly under threat for the final four laps. However, shortly afterwards, the race director announced that the race would not be resumed. Confusion reigned in the pit lane as neither Martins, his team or the other drivers were aware how the championship would be decided. Eventually, Johnny Edgar and William Alatalo also received five-second time penalties for track limit violations. Alatalo had been initially promoted to third by Martins’ penalty, his own penalty subsequently putting Jak Crawford on the podium and Martins back to fourth. Maloney won the race, Bearman second, Crawford third and Martins fourth. Consequently, Martins takes the title with a lead of five points over Maloney, seven from Bearman." From: https://www.racefans.net/2022/09/11/martins-controversially-crowned-f3-champion-under-red-flag-as-maloney-wins-final-race/ At least the final result was right... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hroth Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 Hey ho... Not terribly sure I'm interested in todays race. I'll keep an eye on the BBC web stream and record the highlights just in case any dramatic incidents occur, but like the last race, that might be deleted unwatched. 1 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Darius43 Posted September 11, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 11, 2022 26 minutes ago, Hroth said: Hey ho... Not terribly sure I'm interested in todays race. I'll keep an eye on the BBC web stream and record the highlights just in case any dramatic incidents occur, but like the last race, that might be deleted unwatched. Cheers Darius 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNERandBR Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 34 minutes ago, Hroth said: Hey ho... Not terribly sure I'm interested in todays race. I'll keep an eye on the BBC web stream and record the highlights just in case any dramatic incidents occur, but like the last race, that might be deleted unwatched. If F1 isn't interesting you then there are plenty of other motorsports out there that could. Leave us to natter about F1 in peace 😆 Back on topic, I will agree that the Power Unit rules aren't working as intended. They are supposed to increase the reliability of the cars but clearly the push for more pace over longevity is too great. If every car in the field has to take additional parts at some point then they should increase the number of allowed parts in a season. Then, if the teams are still breaking that rule then would a better way to dissuade them be a massive fine which should be included within the cost cap? 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jol Wilkinson Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 2 hours ago, Balgrayhill said: Why bring your negativity on this thread? If doesn't interest you then fine, you don't need to tell us He is entitled to express an opinion, even if you don't share/like it. I find F1 increasingly disappointing to follow, having been an enthusiast for many decades. One factor is the increasing number of somewhat illogical or apparently contradictory rules and the way in which they are applied. The impact of Liberty's desire to increase the appeal of F1 to a wider but uninformed audience isn't, for me, improving the spectacle of F1 either. 3 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobby Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 He didn't say he disliked F1, just that he doesn't like the way it's heading under the current owners and I'm sure many of us share that sentiment. Interestingly he says that he records the races, that's not the action of someone who dislikes a sport, for instance I doubt you record football matches to watch later, Balgrayhill? 5 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gareth Collier Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 Well that finish was an anti climax and another test of the rules. So some of the lapped cars were let past but not all then for some reason then despite the option of red flagging it then a 3 lap shoot out they just crawled around behind the safety car. As for being critical why can't you post negatively? I love F1 and have followed it for over 50 years but it is not without its faults with most being the good awful rule book. It isn't what it was and can be extremely boring at times. 3 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
didcot Posted September 11, 2022 Author Share Posted September 11, 2022 The result is clearly unpopular. But I think the crowd were more upset by the safety car mess up. There were still unlapped cars between 2nd and 3rd place. They really need to sort it out a bit quicker and better. 1 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
didcot Posted September 11, 2022 Author Share Posted September 11, 2022 Lattifi out performed by his rookie teammate Nyck de Vries. Must be time for his P45. 3 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted September 11, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 11, 2022 1 minute ago, didcot said: Lattifi out performed by his rookie teammate Nyck de Vries. Must be time for his P45. When daddy owns the team? Probably not..... 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejstubbs Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 5 hours ago, LNERandBR said: I will agree that the Power Unit rules aren't working as intended. They are supposed to increase the reliability of the cars I thought the motive was to reduce costs? I know there is the cost cap, but does that not affect only the wealthier/better funded teams who could afford to spend more if they were allowed to? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
black and decker boy Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 2 hours ago, Gareth Collier said: Well that finish was an anti climax and another test of the rules. So some of the lapped cars were let past but not all then for some reason then despite the option of red flagging it then a 3 lap shoot out they just crawled around behind the safety car. As for being critical why can't you post negatively? I love F1 and have followed it for over 50 years but it is not without its faults with most being the good awful rule book. It isn't what it was and can be extremely boring at times. 2 hours ago, didcot said: The result is clearly unpopular. But I think the crowd were more upset by the safety car mess up. There were still unlapped cars between 2nd and 3rd place. They really need to sort it out a bit quicker and better. They weren’t allowing lapped cars past as such, simply all cars until they had the race leader directly behind the safety car (Martin Brundle picked up on it, the safety car has a green light as well as the flashing ambers until Verstappen caught it, then it went red) Russell was one of the cars allowed past. The pack was then very strung out which then slowed any option to restart 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gareth Collier Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 1 hour ago, black and decker boy said: They weren’t allowing lapped cars past as such, simply all cars until they had the race leader directly behind the safety car (Martin Brundle picked up on it, the safety car has a green light as well as the flashing ambers until Verstappen caught it, then it went red) Russell was one of the cars allowed past. The pack was then very strung out which then slowed any option to restart It's because they cocked up and the safety car picked up Russell by mistake. 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNERandBR Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 3 hours ago, ejstubbs said: I thought the motive was to reduce costs? I know there is the cost cap, but does that not affect only the wealthier/better funded teams who could afford to spend more if they were allowed to? Both, increase the longevity of the engine and you reduce how many are needed. That's why the number of parts has been reduced from when the engines were first brought in. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddieB Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 Farce on Saturday, farce on Sunday. 2 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNERandBR Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 (edited) I think it's clear the running of the sport needs to be looked at. The Race Direction needs looking at again as it's too slow now. Edited September 11, 2022 by LNERandBR 1 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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