Wickham Green too Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 ........ or was that the steam heat ? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
40052 Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 I think you are correct - the large brass knob was for the heating and there was an on/off switch above the sliding compartment door for the compartment ceiling lights. There were also individual lights with their own switch on the wall above the seats (can't remember if these were only in first class or in second as well). Removing the ceiling light bulbs and closing the blinds usually resulted in a reasonable sleep on overnights! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
40052 Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 Thinking about it again I think the on/off switch may have been dim/bright hence removing the bulbs on an overnight as they would be on whenever the guard switched on the train lighting 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium tommyliam021 Posted June 12, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 12, 2022 26 minutes ago, 40052 said: Thinking about it again I think the on/off switch may have been dim/bright hence removing the bulbs on an overnight as they would be on whenever the guard switched on the train lighting Yeah the switch states dim/bright although in reality it’s more dim/slightly less dim 1 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Coryton Posted June 12, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 12, 2022 45 minutes ago, 40052 said: I think you are correct - the large brass knob was for the heating and there was an on/off switch above the sliding compartment door for the compartment ceiling lights. There were also individual lights with their own switch on the wall above the seats (can't remember if these were only in first class or in second as well). Removing the ceiling light bulbs and closing the blinds usually resulted in a reasonable sleep on overnights! One of these? 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thunderer08 Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 Couple of pics grabbed at the KWVR diesel gala, sat 11 June 8 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post The Johnster Posted June 12, 2022 RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted June 12, 2022 The filament bulbs worked on a 24v system, 25W IIRC, and had screw fittings incompatible with domestic or auto lighting to deter pilferage, but as has been said we used to remove them for sleeping purposes. On gangwayed stock there were reading lights above each seat, and the lighting could be switched to dim or dimmer. The bulbs were frosted to diffuse the lighting. I don't recall the heating knob ever doing anything; of course it didn't supply heating if the bags weren't connected but it didn't seem to shut the heating off when they were... Lighting in model steam era coaches needs to be warm in cast because you are representing filament bulbs, and is usually far too bright. If you can see it under the normal ambient lighting conditions for the layout which represent daylight, even on a dull day, it is too bright and needs to be toned down. This is most easily achieved by a coat of white or light cream matt acrilyc; leds do not put out much heat and no problems will result from doing this. On the 116 dmus we used on the Cardiff Valleys services, lights were turned on for the entire train from a lever switch in the guard's van; in fact this was a standard fitting in vans for all coaching stock trains. There are connecting cables between coaches that enable you to switch the entire train's lights on or off, and push buttons if you want to light just this coach. If you were working a Barry Island train full of daytrippers in the summer, you would turn the lights on as the train left Cogan, and off again as the train entered Cogan tunnel, in order to enjoy the scream from every teenage girl aboard, before turning them on halfway through the tunnel. They expected it, having pointedly begged you not to earlier, and you didn't want to let them down, it was a terrible job but someone had to do it... Barry Island trains in high summer were a souce of considerable entertainment. Another source of fun was the arrival at Barry Island. Your job was to get the tail lamp and put it on the other end of the train for the return journey, but the platform was rammed with trippers, and, since the station staff would have heroically locked themselves in the office and pulled the shutters down, guess who was the only railway uniform in sight. 'What timesa tren back, then, bwt'? She stood there with a whole street full of kids buzzing around her (mam, can I go onna shows, mam, can I 'ave ice cream, mam, I wants candy floss, mam, Tommo Fach's doing that again, mam, mam, mam...), impervious to it all, built like the mountain her back garden wall was keeping off the house, and completely in charge of the situation. 'Back where, luv'? responds The Johnster, tail lamp in hand and resigned to his fate. 'Back 'ome of course'!, this delivered with a withering blast of scorn, but I'm The Johnster, you don't scare me woman-mountain, chew on that for a response. She could have come from any of the Valleys and changed on to this train at Queen Street or Central, and I've only relieved it at Central, so I don't bl**dy know. But I've got to do my best... 'Yeah, but where's home. luv'? Ask me a question and I'll ask one right back at you, score one all, you're dealing with an equal here, luv. You are going to tell me which village you came from, and you are going to do it scornlessly, in full recognitions of my ability to extract information from idiots (mam, I wants chips, mam, can I go paggling, mam, ethel wantsa wee, mam, mam, mam, they're not bothering me but I know they're wearing you down because you've just ramdomly fetched Tommo Fach one around the ear, probably deserved it), admit you've met your match and we will negotiate a peace treaty that allows you to keep your dignity... Yeah, right. Woman-mountain may not be the sharpest knife in the tray, but I've badly underestimated her low animal cunning and years of corner-gossip training and now realise I'm well out of my depth; she's quick-witted for someone who resembles a geological feature, I'll give her that, '26 Albion Street, where'djew fink'? Industrial strength scorn this time, and I've got nothing, 2-1 to woman-mountain, if you want to find an idiot in the Valleys you've got to bring him up from Cardiff, I'm beaten, outclassed, never stood a chance really, no shame in it considering. I've got to go through the embarassment of expaining what I want from her, all the time wilting under the full industrial strength scorn. You can tell she doesn't think much of men in general, and of me in particular, I can feel myself shrinking while she expands, and she was a big 'un to start with; after a while I learned to just say '6 o'clock' to this question, which I'll be asked at least half a dozen times before getting the lamp to the back of the train. Between 6 and 7 there were trains on Summer Saturdays to all the Valley destinations, and they'd all get home safely in time for supper, the anklebiters asleep as soon as the train started moving. Ah, those homebound evening trains. Van full of wiggly giggly teenagers in bikinis (and the girls were even worse), that smell of salt water, sand, chips, contentment, and suntan lotion (rub some on by there for me, will you, guard, I got a bit burned, look, by there, see (flutters eyelashes at me/'ok, lovely, hold still', terrible job but someone's got to do it). 'Good wiv ewer 'ands, mind, fair play, let 'im rub some on ew, Blodwen'. Then, from the saloon, 'Tommo Fach, come back in from that window now, or big tren'll come on the other line and noc ewer 'ed off', 'burrit's too 'ot in there, mam, I dowanna' (chwarae teg, nawr, innit, ee's got a point there, every window's open and the fans are on but the train can't cope with the concentrated body radiation from carcasses that have been absorbing sun all day). DAR-DERP from the down line as a loaded MGR thunders past at a closing speed of 90-odd behind a 47 accellerating away from Dinas Powys (Barry men going home job and finish, train to stable in sidings for Monday morning, then over the pub if they've got any sense, that's where I'm ultimately heading, but I've got a return trip to Merthyr first, I'll grab a quickie in the staff at Merthyr if we're on time and last orders in the Craddock); anyway, Tommo Fach lands in mam's not inconsiderabe lap having thrown himself frantically backwards across the saloon in blind terror, taking out several sandwiches, half a flagon of Tizer, and a baby's dummy on the way, 'mam, mam, big tren come an' noct my 'ed off, mam, mam'! And Cogan Tunnel's coming up. Buzz buzz away from Dinas Powys, and on go the lights, murmers of approval from the wiggly bikini girls in the van, after all I promised, mwah ha ha ha ha... Shame to take the money, not that I ever gave any back! 11 4 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium boxbrownie Posted June 12, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 12, 2022 5 hours ago, Wickham Green too said: ........ or was that the steam heat ? Yes, of course…that’s correct, remember now. I do remember individual lighting (reading lights?) in compartments had smaller plain Bakelite switches though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DutyDruid Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 On 06/06/2022 at 12:04, Accurascale Fran said: NEW ANNOUNCEMENT - Delicious Subs! Mark 1 56ft 11" Suburban Coaches in OO/4mm Cheers! Fran Hi Fran Although I thoroughly applaud Accurascale for taking these prototypes on, as a dyed-in-the-wool Southern Region modeller they don't really float my boat I'm afraid - UNLESS - you have plans to do the ones that migrated to Longmoor Military Railway in the 60s in either the original Olive Drab or the later LMR blue. Is this something we can expect to see in the fullness of time? If so, I'm in! TIA Elliott 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted June 13, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 13, 2022 The Southern had a few mk1 suburbans allox from new, in unlined crimson livery, but they were the longer 64' version; the seconds were 10-compartments. They were used in 3-coach sets on the Exmouth Branch along with some spares used all over the place as strengtheners. The WR recieved both lengths, the 64 footers being allox London Division in sets and 57 footers as general strengtheners spread all over the region; I certainly remember them at Cardiff. Some of the WR's coaches were xfer to the SR following replacement by dmus, and I could not say which length these were, and possibly examples of both lengths were xfer. It is possible that some of the Southern's suburbans recieved malachite green livery after 1956 and I am pretty sure I have seen photos showing this on the Lymington and Hayling Island Branches. The unlined crimson (carmine) livery was applied until 1956, when unlined maroon was adopted, and malachite green was adopted on the Southern. Of course it took some time for coaches to be repainted, as the work was not done until works overhaul was due, unlike modern times when branding and image is considered to be much more important. Any painted after 1959 were maroon with full lining as per main line gangwayed stock, and Rail Blue was introduced in 1966. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rembrow Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 (edited) 10 hours ago, The Johnster said: The Southern had a few mk1 suburbans allox from new, in unlined crimson livery, but they were the longer 64' version; the seconds were 10-compartments. They were used in 3-coach sets on the Exmouth Branch along with some spares used all over the place as strengtheners. The WR recieved both lengths, the 64 footers being allox London Division in sets and 57 footers as general strengtheners spread all over the region; I certainly remember them at Cardiff. Some of the WR's coaches were xfer to the SR following replacement by dmus, and I could not say which length these were, and possibly examples of both lengths were xfer. It is possible that some of the Southern's suburbans recieved malachite green livery after 1956 and I am pretty sure I have seen photos showing this on the Lymington and Hayling Island Branches. The unlined crimson (carmine) livery was applied until 1956, when unlined maroon was adopted, and malachite green was adopted on the Southern. Of course it took some time for coaches to be repainted, as the work was not done until works overhaul was due, unlike modern times when branding and image is considered to be much more important. Any painted after 1959 were maroon with full lining as per main line gangwayed stock, and Rail Blue was introduced in 1966. According to the 'blood and custard' website, the Southern allocated 64 footers that were in the sets for the Exmouth branch, were not repainted into green until 1960, they had received an overhaul at Lancing in 1958 but were revarnished. Possibly due to priority for repainting into green, being given to mainline stock. Two years later, these 3 coach sets and most of the 64ft seconds were transferred to the Western, with the boundary reorganisation, and were early withdrawals. The SR did receive 12 64ft seconds from the WR in the early sixties (one of which was withdrawn immediately due to it's poor condition), none of which were the previously transferred coaches. They were used on Basingstoke and Winchester semi fasts. Most of the long suburbans that worked on the SR had further lives after withdrawal as carflats. Edited June 13, 2022 by rembrow Addition 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DutyDruid Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 8 hours ago, The Johnster said: The Southern had a few mk1 suburbans allox from new, in unlined crimson livery, but they were the longer 64' version; the seconds were 10-compartments. They were used in 3-coach sets on the Exmouth Branch along with some spares used all over the place as strengtheners. Agree Johnster - hence my question to Fran. The simplest way for me to justify putting these excellent looking models on my layout would be by way of a short rake of Longmoor based coaches - that only bends the space-time continuum "slightly"... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 23 hours ago, Coryton said: One of these? Strange to remember that punters were permitted to control the atmosphere in a coach - even to opening a window! I doubt the younger generation will believe us. Paul 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Accurascale Fran Posted June 13, 2022 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted June 13, 2022 2 hours ago, DutyDruid said: Agree Johnster - hence my question to Fran. The simplest way for me to justify putting these excellent looking models on my layout would be by way of a short rake of Longmoor based coaches - that only bends the space-time continuum "slightly"... Hi @DutyDruid, Our intention is to certainly over the various liveries our stock have worn in their service careers, so we will get to them at some stage! Cheers! Fran 2 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Coryton Posted June 13, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 13, 2022 25 minutes ago, hmrspaul said: Strange to remember that punters were permitted to control the atmosphere in a coach - even to opening a window! I doubt the younger generation will believe us. Paul It will probably come back as an app. Everyone gets to choose what temperature they want then the heating/AC is set to some kind of average that suits nobody. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 The WINDOW will be an app - saves weakening the coach body by cutting holes in it. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium ERIC ALLTORQUE Posted June 13, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 13, 2022 On 11/06/2022 at 20:13, McC said: The mk2’s can run on their super capacitor or almost half a minute once charged up! I bet this is why the APT from red box has such large items on view.............theres is just super large ha Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TravisM Posted July 8, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 8, 2022 I’m just about to pre-order seven of these models, but before I do, does the site automatically add the discount before payment or deposit is made? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold McC Posted July 8, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 8, 2022 7 minutes ago, jools1959 said: I’m just about to pre-order seven of these models, but before I do, does the site automatically add the discount before payment or deposit is made? It will appear on the Checkout as a ‘bundle’ discount 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TravisM Posted July 10, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 10, 2022 On 09/07/2022 at 00:11, McC said: It will appear on the Checkout as a ‘bundle’ discount Seven duly ordered, 1 x BS, 2 x CL’s, 2 x S and 2 x SLO, all in BR Blue. Just need to decide which of these I go for? 31248, 31402 or 31409 to go with 31128 I’ve ordered. I would have been in real trouble if you had done 31110 in unrefurbished BR blue as I used to see it in Bristol in the late 70’s/early 80’s, belching clouds of white steam from the boiler. Wipes away a misty eyed tear 🥲 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad McCann Posted July 11, 2022 Share Posted July 11, 2022 We could use a run of these with ScR numbers too; they were quite visible in the Central belt in the early-mid '60s. Especially in the West. Davy. 1 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hodgson Posted July 11, 2022 Share Posted July 11, 2022 Give them time. We haven't got the LMR/ER ones yet - no doubt the ScR will get theirs on a later run. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rorz101uk Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 Guys would it be possible to do a picture of formations of these coaches for each region? Like what Hornby mag do? Also could you sell these as packs at all? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Accurascale Fran Posted August 22, 2022 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted August 22, 2022 On 10/08/2022 at 11:32, rorz101uk said: Guys would it be possible to do a picture of formations of these coaches for each region? Like what Hornby mag do? Also could you sell these as packs at all? Hi Rory, It's 10% off if you order two coaches or more, so we dont see the benefit of doing a pack really? We will be rustling up a formations guide in due course. Cheers! Fran 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad McCann Posted September 8, 2022 Share Posted September 8, 2022 (edited) I'm try to place an order via pre-paid installments guys but every time I get the code via email, it tells me to then enter my email when I return to the page. I'm now stuck in the validation code cycle of death! 🤯🤣 Davy. Edited September 8, 2022 by Mad McCann Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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