montyburns56 Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 I don't think I imagined this, but I'm sure that I saw a picture of some new wagons from Peco using their re-tooled chassis on a website today. I think it was a 16T mineral wagon, a tippler wagon and a 12t Vent van, but surprisingly no one seems to have mentioned them. Please tell me that I not not going mad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Nile Posted November 27, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 27, 2022 Not a new chassis, but is this a new kit? Peco KNR-207 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Nile Posted November 27, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 27, 2022 The answer to the original question is here: 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 Is it, or is that a kit from the old Parkside range, like the n gauge GWR 20 Tonne wagon. There are differences between Peco KNR207 and the new rtr wagons in the link. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
montyburns56 Posted November 28, 2022 Author Share Posted November 28, 2022 So I didn't imagine it and it was on the N Gauge News website where I saw the information. https://www.ngaugenews.com/post/new-peco-n-gauge-quailty-line-wagons "Types planned for production include 12t mineral open wagons, 12t box vans and conflats." It seems that there might also be a Lowfit in the collection or something that looks like one. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 The KNR207 was part of a small range of kits (16t mineral, 27t tippler and Pig Iron) Peco brought out on a multi-part 9' w.b. chassis about 20 or so years back. They are rather nice in my opinion. Nothing to do with the ex-Parkside Dundas kits which were all on a 12' wheelbase. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 3 hours ago, montyburns56 said: So I didn't imagine it and it was on the N Gauge News website where I saw the information. https://www.ngaugenews.com/post/new-peco-n-gauge-quailty-line-wagons "Types planned for production include 12t mineral open wagons, 12t box vans and conflats." I think that should be 16t for the Mineral, rather than 12t. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TomE Posted November 29, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 29, 2022 (edited) 13 hours ago, BernardTPM said: I think that should be 16t for the Mineral, rather than 12t. Indeed it should. The perils of posting updates whilst wandering around the NEC! Corrected now, thanks Bernard! Tom. Edited November 29, 2022 by TomE 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium maq1988 Posted December 1, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 1, 2022 I couldn't make it to Warley... yay for late arriving COVID! I'm really glad to see PECO is still investing in N gauge. Whilst it looks not to be a direct updated version of their kits (which were a cheapish way to get a decent rake together) the images posted look really good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rope runner Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 Looks like the brake and spring arrangement on all 3 wagons is the same, which would mean the 27ton iron ore tipplers is unfortunately incorrect. Paul A. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 While the brake gear is not exactly right, as they model it with the earlier high body work so it is not far off the early unfitted builds https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brironoretipplerunfit As built some (all?) had plain rather than roller bearings. Some with plain bearing shown in Paul's photos. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rope runner Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 13 minutes ago, BernardTPM said: While the brake gear is not exactly right, as they model it with the earlier high body work so it is not far off the early unfitted builds Unfortunately they ought have larger springs, different pattern of brake lever, overhead fulcrum arrangement and tiebars. The later fitted wagons are indeed a different kettle of fish. Frustrating, as this update really only puts them on a par with the Farish rtr offerings, which have the same deficiencies (see also the Bachmann 4mm model). Paul A. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 It's actually quite odd how all the RTR manufacturers in all the major scales go for the earlier high version rather than the later, fitted from new, lower design. I think the late '70s Hornby one had the later body but the underframe was originally that weird mirror-imaged brake handle job and later they used a wooden(!) style underframe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefen1988 Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 Do we know (or have any hints) of Peco if the plan to rework only their existing wagon range or do they plan to bring other types? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluedepot Posted December 19, 2023 Share Posted December 19, 2023 this is their new 16 ton mineral wagon https://www.hattons.co.uk/1559120/peco_products_nr_1001b_16_ton_mineral_wagon_mco_in_ex_br_grey_unfitted_b89616/stockdetail 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium acg5324 Posted December 30, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 30, 2023 The first issue of the new mineral wagon was for the Monk Bar Modelshop 60th anniversary wagon. HERE Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 (edited) On 19/12/2023 at 11:58, bluedepot said: this is their new 16 ton mineral wagon https://www.hattons.co.uk/1559120/peco_products_nr_1001b_16_ton_mineral_wagon_mco_in_ex_br_grey_unfitted_b89616/stockdetail The number is familiar, the model brake rigging isn't! https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brmineralweld/e2f25b7b5 I thought N gauge was improving. And no, I cannot remember the last time I had any contact with Peco models. Perhaps the 13t hopper 7mm kit that was promised but never appeared. Paul Edited January 2 by hmrspaul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benn Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 On 30/12/2023 at 14:09, hmrspaul said: The number is familiar, the model brake rigging isn't! https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brmineralweld/e2f25b7b5 I thought N gauge was improving. And no, I cannot remember the last time I had any contact with Peco models. Perhaps the 13t hopper 7mm kit that was promised but never appeared. Paul I have to agree Paul, and I'll be honest, I don't want to... I (and I'm not alone) am slightly baffled by what's going on with these new N gauge Peco wagons. I am always pleased to see new additions for the scale and was very optomistic when the range of new wagons was announced, but most of the models released so far are duplicates of wagons already done to a high standard by Farish years ago, and they aren't an improvement on them. The weakest aspect of the old Peco wagons, for me, was the chassis, and it would appear the weakest aspect of these new wagons is also the chassis. I don't understand the decision behind investing in new tooling and then making the chassis completely inaccurate, with a cutout on the solebar and a ridiculous handbrake situation that can never be disguised or ignored, and generally bares little/no resemblance to the prototype. I appreciate that sometimes we have to accept compromise in N, but it's a bit of an eyesore. The Farish equivalent is around the same price, a decade older, yet it's still the more refined and better model in my book. I'm not a fan of this trend for excessively detailed chassis, of which the majority of the effort is totally invisible when it's on the rails. However, I do think the bits that you can see when it is on the rails do need to be there, and they do need to be a fair representation really these days, especially when you're going head-to-head with an existing product that's already well established in the marketplace. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suffolk Rob Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 (edited) Ordered a couple of these to take a look (including a sad moment of realisation as I would usually order peco stuff through Hattons) I'm sure the chassis probably is less refined/accurate than the Farish one. I have a number of the Farish but, for me, the refined chassis is far less noticeable than the excessive coupling gap- not a problem of course if you're competent to fit alternatives but I'm not. Based on the revised 5 and 7 planks, I'm hoping that gap is smaller with the peco ones Yes lots of farish ones in circulation after the last couple of announcements but quite possible that that could be it for a while (NO dig there, just reflecting the Bachmann approach) With peco there's a stronger likelihood of regular availability. Along with their upcoming vans, I think that's a plus for the staple wagons from the first 30 odd years of BR Ultimately the plus is that we will all have a choice based on the factors that we each see as most important. Rob Edited January 9 by Suffolk Rob Grammar Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluedepot Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 yeh disappointing I'll see what else they produce graham farish win this round of the wagon battle .... I believe pig iron wagons and vanfits are next .... tim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suffolk Rob Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 So my 2 arrived today and I took a look at them alongside my farish ones and the linked pictures and can now see and understand the points made by many of you above The chassis is notably more refined on the Farish and more correct. On the other hand the bodysides on the peco are notably less thick and they couple, I'd estimate, 2-3mm closer. So my conclusion is as I said above, you pay your (similar) money and you make your choice. Mine for what it's worth is that when I play with them, I'm viewing them at 45 degrees from a couple of feet away. The sides and the coupling distance are the differences most visible for me so I edge toward Peco whilst still happily running my Farish. Oh for the ability to combine the best features of each Rob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefen1988 Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 Do we know if Peco plan new Brake Vans? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluedepot Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 I've not seen them mentioned. I think the brake van market is pretty well saturated. vanfits and pig iron wagons are next in line i believe. tim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrainMan2001 Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 2 hours ago, bluedepot said: vanfits and pig iron wagons are next in line i believe. As it happens, it looks like Peco have announced their first Vanfit releases: Pictures found on Rails of Sheffield's website. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Crepello Posted March 8 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 8 Presumably these will have the same non-standard NEM pocket as the 5 and 7 plank opens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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