The 00 Wishlist Poll Returns!

[BMacdermott]

Hello everyone

 

We last ran The 00 Wishlist Poll back in autumn 2019. We listed over 800 items together with a massive Poll Guide and it simply became unsustainable – for many reasons – to maintain that format.

 

However, some of those reasons have ‘dissipated’ and we have seen a number of model companies appear over the horizon. We felt that a revamped version (but without The Guide) would be fun to run.

 

So…The 00 Wishlist Poll 2022 will run from early on Monday 12 December to 1800 on Friday 30 December. Results will appear asap in January 2023. We aim to run The Quirky Poll in 2023 and alternate year-on-year after. Although this is all ‘Jolly Good Christmas Fun’, we will – for the benefit of us all – answer some questions in advance and re-state our robust ground rules.

 

What is the purpose of The Poll?  

To provide railway modellers and collectors with an easy way of indicating to companies making or commissioning 00 ready-to-run models which models they would realistically buy if made at some time in the future.

 

Who has been involved in putting The Poll together?

The 00 Poll Team comprises six railway modellers who have developed the 00 Wishlist Poll since 2012 (and The Quirky Poll more recently). We are grateful to Nick Evans for his valued help with post-steam era Freight and On-track Plant categories. We are unpaid and totally independent.

 

Although The Poll is hosted by RMweb, it is not connected with it and has no influence on it. Andy York kindly arranges the ‘computerised elements’ for us in his own time.

 

What is included in – or specifically excluded from – The Poll?

Our core content is a wide selection of locos and rolling stock of British Railways, its predecessors and successors. Many items of a ‘heritage/preserved’ nature are included by default. We could easily list over 50,000 items with all their ‘variants’ so we have to ‘draw a line’ somewhere!

 

For this year, we are excluding from our lists any models made after 2005. Some voters will find that some of the slightly pre-2005 models listed are fine in all respects, so there is no need to vote for them. Only vote for what you would realistically buy.

 

What is the running order of categories for the 2022 Poll?

01. Locos – GWR & Constituents

02. Locos – SR & Constituents

03. Locos – LMS & Constituents (exc Scottish Companies)

04. Locos – LNER & Constituents (exc Scottish Companies & some Scottish LNER classes)

05. Locos & Rolling Stock – Scottish Companies (inc some Scottish LNER & BR Classes)

06. Locos & Coaches – BR (inc WD 2-8-0, USATC, CIWL, Pullman Cars & TPO)

 

07. Locos – Diesel & Electric

08. Railbuses, Railcars & DMUs

09. EMUs

 

10. Coaches, Passenger Brake Vans & TPO – GWR & Constituents

11. Coaches, Passenger Brake Vans & TPO – SR & Constituents

12. Coaches, Passenger Brake Vans & TPO – LMS & Constituents (exc Scottish Companies)

13. Coaches, Passenger Brake Vans & TPO – LNER & Constituents (exc Scottish Companies)

14. Coaching Stock – Non-passenger-carrying, exc PBVs & TPO (NPCCS)

 

15. Freight – Pre-1923 (exc Scottish Companies)

16. Freight – 1923-1947 (inc some BR Descendants)

17. Freight – 1948-1963

18. Freight – 1964-current

 

19. General Railway Service – Departmental (Steam Era)

20. General Railway Service – On-track Plant (Post-steam Era)

 

Why have you changed the titles of some of the categories?

Some categories in 2019 listed up to 70 items. By ‘moving things around’ a little – such as to our new Scottish category and putting Passenger Brake Vans and TPO into the Coach categories – we achieve a much better balance. 

 

Before anyone asks – no, we are not promoting ‘Scottish Independence’! Simple listing pragmatism – nothing more, nothing less!

 

Items that have ‘languished’ in Low Polling for years with – seemingly – no prospect of production have been deleted as have the c.70 items that have been made or announced since the 2019 Results. About 90 new entries have gone in. The remaining core content has been thoroughly reviewed – for example, the SR Tavern Cars are now one listing instead of three.

 

Why do you specify BR running numbers? Does this mean we can’t express a Pre-Grouping wish?

The numbers are there simply to assist identification. The manufacturers ‘get as much as they can’ from any model via the use of slip tools, liveries and so on to appeal to as wide a market as possible.

 

Is there any limit to what voters can vote for with the ‘one person – one entry’ rule?

Only one entry per voter is permitted, but you can vote for whatever you would realistically buy at any time in the future. The Team inspects every single vote and we reserve the right to delete without query any entry that it feels is not based on that premise.

 

Do you ask voters for email addresses to enter The Poll?

No. Entry in The Poll will not generate any email correspondence whatsoever. We will only contact you in response to valid queries as below.

 

Can voters print out what they have voted for?

You can, but you will get everything including what you haven’t voted for. The attached PDF is an exact copy of The Poll categories, including our Rolling Stock Jargon Buster. Print out your desired categories: ‘plan your voting’ with a tick by what you want to vote for; go to the link on Page 1 of The Poll thread (from 12 December); vote there. Keep your print-out as your record.

 

What if voters have any technical difficulties while voting?

Please email Andy York: info@rmweb.co.uk 

 

What if voters have any suggestions for 2024; or need impartial help or advice?

With the best will in the world, the list contents won’t satisfy everyone. To make suggestions for 2024, email thepollteam@gmail.com, but note that we will only consider those with a c.100-word justification based on the criteria below and a minimum of one link. The item should as far as possible have:

1.     A realistic chance of being commercially viable (not simply ‘your favourite’!)

2.     An existing prototype or drawings available

3.     A wide geographic spread of operation and/or long life

4.     A broad modelling appeal or public popularity

5.     A context with other items listed or on the market.

An acknowledgment will normally be sent within 24 hours, but a full answer to any requests for help and advice might take a few days. We will also answer queries on RMweb but note we won’t take suggestions!

 

Some final notes requesting your cooperation…

Please avoid comments such as: Why are you listing Loco X when there is a perfectly good kit available? We – as a RTR community – don’t invade kit threads with exhortations to ‘go RTR’, so please don’t invade us!

 

As noted earlier, we calculate that there are thousands of ‘variants’, so, please avoid comments such as: Does listing X include the ones with square buffers and dimpled top-feeds? Assume it does! We have to leave it to the makers to ‘market research’ what they can actually make and realistically sell.

 

Finally, please help spread the word and drop an email about The Poll to your friends or fellow club members with a copy of the Poll Poster – they might vote for the items you want! Thanks!

 

We hope you enjoy taking part in The 00 Wishlist Poll 2022…voting starts 12 December!

 

The Poll Team

 

Robert Carroll, Chris Knowles-Thomas, John Lewis, Jeff Lynn, Brian Macdermott, Nick Stanbury, Ian Taylor

2022 Poll A4 Poster.pdf

The Contents of The 00 Wishlist Poll 2022.pdf

Edited December 5, 2022 by BMacdermott

[Captain Kernow]

This is all excellent stuff, Brian and team, so many thanks for all your hard work. It seems that several favourites are now seeing the light of day as a result of your previous efforts.

 

May I also suggest another 'dimension' to the poll, please?

 

One of the major (potential) disappointments that I have, when buying new RTR locos (especially steam outline ones) is the quality of the running when in DC mode (that's the only mode that I'm interested in, as I don't 'do' DCC and am unlikely to).

 

Although the price of new models is inevitably increasing at the moment (not a complaint, just an observation), many British RTR models seem to be comparatively less expensive than continental counterparts. Perhaps there has already been debate about such products being 'built to a budget?'

 

As such, I for one would be prepared to pay a higher price for any given model, if excellent, smooth running straight-out-of-the-box can be guaranteed. We know it can be done, as evidenced (for example) by the recent Planet Industrials 'Victory' 0-6-0T, which is the best smooth, slow-speed RTR runner I've ever seen in a British outline.

 

You can, of course, get good runners from the likes of Bachmann, Hornby etc, but such qualities are remarkably inconsistent, even amongst what could be the same batch of identical models.

 

So, is there any way to ascertain what the general feeling would be about the above issue, please?

 

Many thanks.

 

[BMacdermott]

Many thanks Captain

 

'Running Quality' is not something we are likely to deal with (and we don't want to get 'bogged down' on non-Poll matters here).

 

Perhaps just start a thread?

 

Brian (on behalf of The 00 Poll Team)

 

 

[Bucoops]

Thank you - I dread to think how much work you and the team put in on this, even in its new form.

Edited December 5, 2022 by Bucoops
errant apostrophe

[BMacdermott]

Many thanks Rich

 

It is, indeed, a 'labour of love' for all of us (not forgetting Andy York there) but we all get a lot out of doing it.

 

It's a shame we can't maintain The Guide but something 'had to give' due to time constraints.

 

Enjoy the voting!

 

Brian (on behalf of The 00 Poll Team)

[Andy Hayter]

Thanks to you and the team, Brian.  The selection seems nicely broad. 

 

I look forward to voting next week.

[Calnefoxile]

And where's the N Gauge equivalent???

 

No wonder N gauge is seen as the poor relation!!

 

Regards

 

Neal.

[BMacdermott]

Hello Neal

 

We ran N gauge for a number of years (with help from the NGS) - as well as Industrial and Underground categories - but had to stop due to time constraints.

 

We offered all our data and assistance to any responsible group wishing to run N themselves, but - so far - there have been no takers. And that is despite much effort on the part of a number of N modellers.

 

Brian (on behalf of The 00 Poll Team)

[Calnefoxile]

3 minutes ago, BMacdermott said:

Hello Neal

 

We ran N gauge for a number of years (with help from the NGS) - as well as Industrial and Underground categories - but had to stop due to time constraints.

 

We offered all our data and assistance to any responsible group wishing to run N themselves, but - so far - there have been no takers. And that is despite much effort on the part of a number of N modellers.

 

Brian (on behalf of The 00 Poll Team)

 

Brian,

 

So have the NGS been approached again this time to assist in running it??

 

Regards

 

Neal.

[AY Mod]

27 minutes ago, Calnefoxile said:

And where's the N Gauge equivalent???

No wonder N gauge is seen as the poor relation!!

 

9 minutes ago, Calnefoxile said:

So have the NGS been approached again this time to assist in running it??

 

We've been through this all before, four years ago - 

 

Looking back to that the postings from some of the N gauge fraternity were abrasive then too to which I responded:

 

  

On 12/10/2018 at 16:37, Andy Y said:

Part of my reticence to be immediately obliging is because of an attitude from some of the N community towards this direction.

 

It doesn't seem to have changed much and it's fair to say that the combative stance also means that some manufacturers catering for the scale feel similarly. This topic is not for N inferiority complexes but should be raised in another topic if you wish.

 

Brian and the team put an awful lot of time in and, as OO modellers, have chosen to concentrate their time in OO which makes up around 4/5ths of the UK market, to do the same for N would take as much time again (for the team and me too) plus a bit more for the remaining 1/5th or less. If the NGS or other bodies wish to spend similar amounts of time it's up to them; not for Brian to chase them up.

 

End of.

 

[Dagworth]

Would it be possible to have a write-in text box for what "current production" item we would like to see another run of? With the way models are made now if you don't get it when it's made you don't get it. Often I can't afford enough of an item when it comes out and I'm sure I'm not the only one. One particular wagon that I need another 30 of simply doesn't exist for sale either new or second hand and it was only made a couple of years ago.

 

Andi

[Calnefoxile]

1 minute ago, AY Mod said:

 

 

We've been through this all before, four years ago - 

 

Looking back to that the postings from some of the N gauge fraternity were abrasive then too to which I responded:

 

  

 

It doesn't seem to have changed much and it's fair to say that the combative stance also means that some manufacturers catering for the scale feel similarly. This topic is not for N inferiority complexes but should be raised in another topic if you wish.

 

Brian and the team put an awful lot of time in and, as OO modellers, have chosen to concentrate their time in OO which makes up around 4/5ths of the UK market, to do the same for N would take as much time again (for the team and me too) plus a bit more for the remaining 1/5th or less. If the NGS or other bodies wish to spend similar amounts of time it's up to them; not for Brian to chase them up.

 

End of.

 

 

Andy,

 

Which kind of answers my question of apathy towards N Gauge.

 

I didn't say that Brian and the Team should do the same for N Gauge, but as a Wishlist Poll hasn't been run since 2019 surely an approach to the NGS or even the N Gauge Forum, https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php should've at least been tried before dismissing it out of hand especially as the N Gauge version has been run in the past.

 

Regards

 

Neal.

[woodenhead]

48 minutes ago, Calnefoxile said:

And where's the N Gauge equivalent???

 

No wonder N gauge is seen as the poor relation!!

 

Regards

 

Neal.

 

31 minutes ago, Calnefoxile said:

 

Brian,

 

So have the NGS been approached again this time to assist in running it??

 

Regards

 

Neal.

Or you can partake in @TomE 's poll

 

https://www.ngaugenews.com/post/the-n-gauge-news-n-gauge-christmas-wish-list-2022-diesel-electric

 

It's not quite as detailed as the OO Poll but no doubt it will be looked at by the likes of RevolutioN, Rapido and Bachmann.

 

If it takes off, perhaps Tom will add steam to the mix.

Edited December 5, 2022 by woodenhead
forgot a not

[AY Mod]

2 minutes ago, Calnefoxile said:

Which kind of answers my question of apathy towards N Gauge.

 

It's frustration (from my side); not apathy.

 

I wouldn't say the militancy is representative of the whole N gauge sector; I see, visit and talk to many as well as getting their layouts into the mag. The inferiority complex just rears it's head periodically and this instance is absolutely the wrong time and place for it and I would say an apology to Brian is owed.

[AY Mod]

Just now, woodenhead said:

Or you can partake in @TomE 's poll

 

https://www.ngaugenews.com/post/the-n-gauge-news-n-gauge-christmas-wish-list-2022-diesel-electric

 

It's quite as detailed as the OO Poll but no doubt it will be looked at by the likes of RevolutioN, Rapido and Bachmann.

 

Fair play to Tom (top bloke); he's pulled his finger out and done something positive rather than farting in the room.

[Calnefoxile]

2 minutes ago, woodenhead said:

 

Or you can partake in @TomE 's poll

 

https://www.ngaugenews.com/post/the-n-gauge-news-n-gauge-christmas-wish-list-2022-diesel-electric

 

It's not quite as detailed as the OO Poll but no doubt it will be looked at by the likes of RevolutioN, Rapido and Bachmann.

 

If it takes off, perhaps Tom will add steam to the mix.

 

Brilliant, thanks for that link... and I'll definitely follow it up.

 

Cheers

 

Neal.

[Calnefoxile]

7 minutes ago, AY Mod said:

 

It's frustration (from my side); not apathy.

 

I wouldn't say the militancy is representative of the whole N gauge sector; I see, visit and talk to many as well as getting their layouts into the mag. The inferiority complex just rears it's head periodically and this instance is absolutely the wrong time and place for it and I would say an apology to Brian is owed.

 

For what??

 

I haven't insulted Brian or the Team in any way whatsoever, just asking a question. I don't see why I need to be sorry for asking a question!!!!

 

Cheers

 

Neal.

[RedgateModels]

oh dear ......

[BMacdermott]

21 minutes ago, Dagworth said:

Would it be possible to have a write-in text box for what "current production" item we would like to see another run of? With the way models are made now if you don't get it when it's made you don't get it. Often I can't afford enough of an item when it comes out and I'm sure I'm not the only one. One particular wagon that I need another 30 of simply doesn't exist for sale either new or second hand and it was only made a couple of years ago.

 

Andi

 

Hello Andi

 

We tried that in 2019 as we had been requested to do so but - as we expected - it wasn't worth the effort. I'm sorry but it is more time-consuming than it may sound!

 

As it happens, the Class 37 and Class 31 (with the GWR 14xx) were the most-requested locos but even those only garnered 33, 17 and 23 votes respectively.

 

Brian (on behalf of The 00 Poll Team)

[woodenhead]

I do hope there is a MetroTank or a 517 class....

[BMacdermott]

Helo woodenhead

 

You'll have to look at the contents PDF!🙂

 

Brian

[woodenhead]

Don't need to look, they will be there, they are always there and I am patiently waiting.

 

Now we have lots of 4 and 6 wheelers I am sure these older locos will become even more sought after,

[BMacdermott]

53 minutes ago, Calnefoxile said:

 

Brian,

So have the NGS been approached again this time to assist in running it??

Regards

Neal.

 

Hello Neal

 

As noted by Andy, it was all 'done and dusted' some years ago.

 

Brian

[AY Mod]

18 minutes ago, Calnefoxile said:

I don't see why I need to be sorry for asking a question!!!!

 

Because it's a distraction from this topic and what it's intended for. It just came across as very shouty and belligerent which, knowing how much time the team put it into it all, is upsetting. Excess question and exclamation marks give that impression too.

[AY Mod]

'nuff said.

 

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But my issue is with RMWeb really and trying to highlight the apathy on RMWeb towards N Gauge, we all know that N is a minority gauge to OO, but I would've though that RMWeb/BRM would at least try and cover all...

Ahh well, let's see how long I get on the naughty step for daring to question the mighty Andy Y    

 

https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=58248.0