maico Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 (edited) On 20/12/2023 at 07:09, jjb1970 said: Does it make a difference whether or not it was made in Germany, Hungary or China? Perhaps but probably not. The last Marklin I'm aware of that had zinc pest was the SBB Class De 6/6 Seetal Crocodile from the early 2000s which was made in China. Here is track and plastic production in Marklin's Győr factory in Hungary. Quality stuff. Edited December 28, 2023 by maico Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maico Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 On 20/12/2023 at 02:42, johnhutnick said: I do not yet have my Scotsman in hand. However, we should be able to settle the "China" topic readily. Does the loco say "China" on the bottom or not? Marklin Trix haven't put where stuff is made on their models for some time. Most of my older tooled Trix stuff does have 'Germany' on the chassis and on the box. It's a legal requirement to have a COO on the packaging in the US so they have to put a sticker on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jjb1970 Posted December 28, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 28, 2023 1 hour ago, maico said: Perhaps but probably not. The last Marklin I'm aware of that had zinc pest was the SBB Class De 6/6 Seetal Crocodile from the early 2000s which was made in China. Here is track and plastic production in Marklin's Győr factory in Hungary. Quality stuff. Is stuff made in their Chinese factory not quality? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maico Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, jjb1970 said: Is stuff made in their Chinese factory not quality? I don't think there is any discernible difference visually. Some of the more intricate models like my black Class 241 are made in China. It doesn't really show in the photo, but there are lots of really small separately fitted parts on this loco so making it in a lower labour cost country is no surprise. (The green version is a photo by Fitz Osterthun) Edited December 28, 2023 by maico Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jjb1970 Posted January 1 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 1 I've never really seen country of origin as much of an indicator of quality. What's much more important is the quality criteria implemented and quality assurance processes. Chinese factories manufacture some of the finest models available (including high end brass) and I've never really found quality to be any worse than alternative sources. For sentimental reasons I'd love to see models made in Britain (noting that is actually a slippery concept, what does 'made in ........' actually mean?) but otherwise it's not something I think about much. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnhutnick Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 To answer my own question from earlier, here is a photo of the box that I just got. "Made in China" is clear. Don't the boxes in the UK have the same label? Does anyone know how to correct the upside down? I turned my photo both ways, but it did not work. Is there something in forums that provides an edit to rotate? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grovenor Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 Rotate your photo in something like Microsoft Paint and save it in its new orientation, then upload that file. Its workerd for me anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jjb1970 Posted January 14 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 14 The whole 'made in.......' concept is a minefield, what does it mean? In many countries it is percentage of content by value and assembly. Which means a company can exploit higher pay in countries with more label appeal to assemble a knockdown kit with all the real manufacturing done elsewhere. In the world of watches 'Swiss made' is highly devalued, the high end manufacturer Moser was refusing to call their watches 'Swiss made' in protest. I used to know a guy who went around the world auditing quality systems for Mercedes Benz, he took me to the factory in Indonesia and all they were doing was assembling kits so while they were assembled in Indonesia even he was clear they weren't made there despite claiming so for tax/duty reasons. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maico Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 (edited) On 13/01/2024 at 20:31, johnhutnick said: To answer my own question from earlier, here is a photo of the box that I just got. "Made in China" is clear. Don't the boxes in the UK have the same label? Does anyone know how to correct the upside down? I turned my photo both ways, but it did not work. Is there something in forums that provides an edit to rotate? Current Marklin-Trix models sold in the UK and EU don't say 'made in'. Roco normally says made in EU (which is Arad in Romania) or in Vietnam. Which Trix model do you have? I see it's got the recent UK type approval logo on it. Older Trix Edited January 18 by maico Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnhutnick Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 The model that I have photographed is the new Flying Scotsman. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Laidlay Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 (edited) Has anyone been able to remove the coal load in 60103's tender? I don't like the full load look and I have some coal from the real tender that I want to add to the model. Edited February 7 by Mark Laidlay 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellocoloco Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 @Mark Laidlay I do like your thinking there! 👍 But can't help with the question - sorry. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrumpyPenguin Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 On 24/02/2023 at 22:27, friscopete said: If they were that bothered by total authenticity they wouldnt have a strip of studs up the middle of their track. The Germans stick to their "traditional" stud contact system much the same way that UK modellers stick to their "traditional" 4mm/foot scale "narrow gauge".😁. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrumpyPenguin Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 On 25/02/2023 at 22:10, Nova Scotian said: Something to run next to your Rivarossi Royal Scot HO - and a lovely model for the time it was! I have my eye on one on ebay, but not at the price asked! IIRC some of the UK prototype models from "European" manufacture were a sort of 3.75mm/foot scale ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrumpyPenguin Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 On 27/11/2023 at 21:34, BernardTPM said: I would guess the numbers on the actual 'Scotsman' are probably hand painted by a skilled signwriter rather than transfers. If the numbers are signwritten that could explain differences ? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 4 hours ago, chiefpenguin said: IIRC some of the UK prototype models from "European" manufacture were a sort of 3.75mm/foot scale ? British Trix and Rivarossi both used 1:80 scale, though some Trix models: AL1 (because it started as Lilliput) and the late '60s A2, A3 and A4 LNER Pacifics were 4mm scale while the 16t mineral and pig iron wagons were 'accidentally' 4mm scale because their 1:80 scale 17' 6" chassis works out at 16' 6" in 4mm scale. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 3 hours ago, chiefpenguin said: If the numbers are signwritten that could explain differences ? Not really; they're right on the real thing when you compare them to the official specifications. Actual painted numbers. BR Gill Sans. The Marklin numbers would look better if they were spaced a little further apart. Indeed if the spacing had been right the typeface errors wouldn't have been very obvious. It's only when you look closely you can see the '0's are a bit too elliptical and the '3' is symmetrical top to bottom; Gill Sans '3' has a very slightly longer bottom stroke and the centre part angles down very slightly. The signwriter has done his job correctly. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Darius43 Posted June 5 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 5 I see that Rails offSheffield are discounting the Trix Flying Scotsman at the moment by 23% - price £445. Cheers Darius 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
giz Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 On 05/06/2024 at 18:07, Darius43 said: I see that Rails offSheffield are discounting the Trix Flying Scotsman at the moment by 23% - price £445. Cheers Darius Even lower at Scograil: https://www.scograil.co.uk/trix-22886-ho-gauge-br-a3-60103-flying-scotsman-x28dccsoundx29-29763-p.asp Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnhutnick Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 So when is Markin coming out with new paint schemes, original LNER for example? With this loco now being discounted, isn't it time? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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