Mark Laidlay Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 On 18/10/2023 at 07:53, sncf231e said: The Märklin Flying Scotsman is delivered today to the shops (in Germany) and already shown by proud owners on German forums. Regards Fred. Doesn't look like they have fixed the funnel. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coldgunner Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 that font on the cabside numbers really bothers me Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
micklner Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 36 minutes ago, Coldgunner said: that font on the cabside numbers really bothers me More like the whole "thing" 🤪🙃🤑 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernard Lamb Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 44 minutes ago, micklner said: More like the whole "thing" 🤪🙃🤑 Just in time for Halloween. Is there an emoji for wanting to hide under the duvet? I would not like to come across that at any time. Let alone on a dark and stormy night. Bernard 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighPeak45 Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 Hi all. Has anyone found the dimensions for the loco? I've been searching but not had any luck. Looking at the spec. DCC Sound, working lights, glow firebox, tender corridor lights and working steam to me sounds like the best ever FS to be produced. Knocks Hornby for 6. Tempted ever at that price but the spec looks good. Just the size worry me against some MK1's or pullman coaches. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyman7 Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 I rather like it! Not that I intend going down that particular rabbit hole Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maico Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 (edited) 22 minutes ago, HighPeak45 said: Hi all. Has anyone found the dimensions for the loco? I've been searching but not had any luck. Looking at the spec. DCC Sound, working lights, glow firebox, tender corridor lights and working steam to me sounds like the best ever FS to be produced. Knocks Hornby for 6. Tempted ever at that price but the spec looks good. Just the size worry me against some MK1's or pullman coaches. Only length over buffers 245 mm Parts Pdf. 11aabc635c7925fe8f013e89bdee9e5e1692186399.pdf Edited October 22, 2023 by maico Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sncf231e Posted October 22, 2023 Author Share Posted October 22, 2023 Some size comparisons here: https://www.stummiforum.de/t218672f2-Flying-Scotsman-2.html#msg2602663 Regards Fred 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brossard Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 It was looking impressive until the smoke started - aaarghhh! What's the red light between the express passenger lamps? John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Bigskybirds Posted October 23, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 23, 2023 I placed my order when it was first announced but now on seeing the videos I may cancel. The chimney does not look correct to my eyes, the smoke is poor compared to my existing Marklin/Trix dynamic smoke models and the sound seems flat although that could be down to the sound recording of the videos I watched. I am sure of one thing the build quality and running will be good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maico Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 7 hours ago, Bigskybirds said: I placed my order when it was first announced but now on seeing the videos I may cancel. The chimney does not look correct to my eyes, the smoke is poor compared to my existing Marklin/Trix dynamic smoke models and the sound seems flat although that could be down to the sound recording of the videos I watched. I am sure of one thing the build quality and running will be good. Is the chimney height required for the smoke unit to function? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Bigskybirds Posted October 23, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 23, 2023 24 minutes ago, maico said: Is the chimney height required for the smoke unit to function? That may be the case I am not sure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium CloggyDog Posted October 25, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 25, 2023 On 22/10/2023 at 12:31, HighPeak45 said: Just the size worry me against some MK1's or pullman coaches. The old Lima H0 Mk1s are pretty common on the second-hand market and if you're really keen can be reskinned and rebogied to correct the undersized originals. The Fleischmann H0 Bullieds are a little rarer, but do turn up from time to time. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jjb1970 Posted October 27, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 27, 2023 The Marklin model seems to be a one off excursion into British outline like the brass Scotsman model manufactured by Samhongsa in the 90's. Fleischmann did have ideas about entering the British Market in a real way but abandoned it after releasing the Warship and Bulleid coaches. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wairoa Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 (edited) Sure not perfect, but no matter still more accurate overall OO models. In saying that the deficiencies are enough that I will not buy either the OO or HO versions.....for now. Edited October 27, 2023 by wairoa Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellocoloco Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 Marklin/Trix have done a few special locos over the last few years for a number of railway companies such as the Czech class 498 and French EST type 13 and the Scotsman is sold out for direct sale from either Marklin or Trix whereas a number of other specials are still available. I could see something else British appearing in the near future. I would guess on a US tour version of the Scotsman or an A4, probably Mallard though I wouldn't like to wait until 2038 for its anniversary. Only Marklin will know the demand for the model and how quickly this was met. If it sold out rapidly, I hope the chance their luck with a coach set! I await my Trix version and an expensive Christmas! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 On 28/09/2023 at 19:51, maico said: Found something a bit confusing in the pdf. instruction manual, quote: "This model is larger than the customary European loading gauge. It swings out quite a ways, chiefly on curves. Please check before using this model for the first time, to make sure that it can operate on your layout without hitting signals, catenary masts, bridge railings, tunnel portals, etc. The prototypical construction of this model requires that the trackwork on a layout be laid with great precision and care. While Märklin C or K Track meet these requirements, M Track may not meet these conditions due to greater tolerances caused by years of operation. In these situations, there may be problems operating through turnouts at extreme slow or fast speeds." I thought British loading gauge was smaller? With the tender set to standard spacing, the model can round R1 360mm The exploded parts diagram shows the Cartazzi truck modeled as a pivoting pony truck. I'm not sure why they say the model "swings out quite a ways"... The UK railway's dynamic envelope is smaller than that of continental Europe, and a Gresley pacific is smaller than the final generations of their heavy steam traction. (The significantly larger Gresley P2 2-8-2 enjoyed a French holiday with OVSB, no trouble.) What's been done to this specific model to enable it to go though small radius curves in the way of 'bumping' the cylinders outboard and like scale deviations typical of RTR HO product cannot be assessed. There's a reason why keen modellers in mainland Europe move to P87: commercial HO is distorted to the same extent as RTR OO, but in a different 'variscale' way... I suspect the italicised quote element above is a standard 'informative'. Wouldn't it be good if the UK brands thought to tell their customers that their old track system may cause problems due to many years wear, and the like? 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maico Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 (edited) Not a bad price as long as you are not in the UK or Russia... Posts everywhere from Kazakhstan to Yemen https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/386230487180 Edited October 27, 2023 by maico Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jjb1970 Posted October 28, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 28, 2023 22 hours ago, 34theletterbetweenB&D said: I suspect the italicised quote element above is a standard 'informative'. Wouldn't it be good if the UK brands thought to tell their customers that their old track system may cause problems due to many years wear, and the like? I think track compatibility is an area where enthusiasts can deride new entrants and less experienced modellers without considering that to those less versed in the hobby what might be obvious to us isn't to others. It's better than it was I think but could still probably be better. It reminds me of the willingness of some to mock people who don't know how to open slam doors on trains. It's obvious to us because we grew up with it but there's a generation (probably more) and foreign visitors for who the idea of pulling the window down and then leaning out to use the outside door handle must seem bonkers. Even pull down windows must seem strange to most younger people. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maico Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 I haven't seen any reviews of the loco yet, I wonder if the British magazines will do one? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Laidlay Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 For those of you that have your H0 60103, does it come with a knuckle coupler that can be fitted to the NEM socket on the tender? Is the colour as bad as the videos look? Are the flanges really that big? Mark in Melbourne wishing I had got a brass version all those years ago. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 One thing to bear in mind, it is in current condition; it looked rather different back in the '60s and '70s. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HExpressD Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 Interesting to see that this has an articulated rear pony truck. I know that is a feature some people want on UK 00, with the fixed rear pony being more normal but I think it looks very odd in the video posted above where you can see it getting closer and further away from the cab floor as it runs up and down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnhutnick Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 In this general discussion, I see a lot of what I consider complaints. The chimney is no good, the flanges are too big, the rear axle turns, etc. Well, no one else is making British HO steam for us. Scotsman is the most famous loco. If it does well, maybe we can get something else, like a Mallard or maybe a Castle. For those of us who want it all just perfect, we have to scratchbuild the whole thing. Or build a non existent British 1/87 kit. Or how many here bought a PSM and have 30 inch curves? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSB Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 On 22/10/2023 at 21:52, sncf231e said: Some size comparisons here: https://www.stummiforum.de/t218672f2-Flying-Scotsman-2.html#msg2602663 Regards Fred From those pictures appears to be 00 rather than H0! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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