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I raised the original question in the Gauge O Guild Telford topic and I am grateful to David for continuing this in a separate discussion and note that he has removed the concessions from Railex admission as we did at Derby. I was outside selling tickets to the queue and there was some lighthearted banter particularly from people I knew but there were a few more serious and nasty comments from those who thought it was their right to get in cheaper than others :angry:

 

On a more humourous note, I was on the door at our local show last year where the charges were only £3 and £2 for concessions. An old guy came towards me saying 'Bus Pass, Bus Pass' and waving it at me - 'Thank you sir, that will be £2' - it then took him several minutes of searching every pocket to find the money - but he knew exactly where his bl@@dy bus pass was :D

 

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On the subject of concessions can I gauge a bit of opinion of the members here please? If a disabled visitor has a carer should the carer get free admission?

 

My view FWIW as not being an EM but sitting in the middle on occasion is that it would engender good will as Monstera suggests and that without the carer the disabled visitor may not have been able to attend. If said carer is a fellow hobbyist it should be left to their conscience to cough up if they have the interest of the hobby and event in mind. I think it would be reasonable to restrict the number of carers admitted free to one per disabled visitor.

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As one of the others who passed comment on the other thread about Telford - although it is a one stop shop of 7mm stuff, I still think that £12 is pretty steep. If it were £8-9 I'd consider it more reasonable - it's probably something to do with the psychological £10 barrier, or something :)

 

I think that disabled visitors should be allowed one carer admitted free, as long as the disabled person has payed for entry.

 

(Another can of worms coming here) - I don't think concessions should be provided for anyone other than children, because children need to be encouraged into the hobby and it would be a shame if dad were put off bringing them due to cost. Conversely, often those in receipt of concessions at the other end of the scale have more disposable income than others that don't qualify.

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Just by way of a comparison for you from "over here" - from my "local" (commercially-organised) "Great Train Expo" (bit of a misnomer, but hey):

 

Admission - $10 (Concessions $8 IIRC)

Parking - a further $10, charged by the location, not the organisers. There's no walkable alternative, nor any "shuttle" service laid on.

 

For that you get:

 

A hall full of traders (mostly second hand tat);

The occasional manufacturer;

Maybe 10-12 layouts, mostly "modulars" of variable quality - ranging between fair to middling for a small provincial UK club expo, down to stuff so poor that would embarrass a UK village hall charidee scout event.

 

Layouts are not invited to attend. You can apply to attend. The organisers pay an "honorarium" (donation) based on square footage which wouldn't even come close to covering expenses for a 2 day show - up to 100 sq ft that donation is $50, maximum ever paid is $150...

 

We don't have an exhibition "circuit" in the UK sense as such over here. The majority of the best layouts never leave the basements (or clubrooms) of the builders..

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I think that disabled visitors should be allowed one carer admitted free, as long as the disabled person has payed for entry.

 

 

 

 

We don't charge for the disabled visitor if in a wheelchair or the carer, to be fair you won't get too many disabled visitors and the goodwill will be worth it.

 

The entrance fee is normally a fraction of the total cost of travelling to a show and that spent with traders, although it the thing that visitors will pick up on.

 

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At Railex I like the idea of advance tickets being available. I have used this facility and would use it without the discount as it saves time in gaining entry. Concessions for families I think are a good way of encouraging non modelling relatives to attend. For the elderly I think that at present they don't help to encourage people to attend and with an ageing population of enthusiasts, I hope that statement is statistically correct, I think they have become counter productive for the promoting club.

In a totally different context an event I have been involved with offered concessionary rates for carers. A couple of years ago there was only one person who did not contribute to the raffle. A bit of digging, just out of idle curiosity, found out that it was the carer of the one disabled guest. Make of that what you will.

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Oh come on !

 

What are the chances that the carer is a model railway enthusiast just bumming their way in for nowt ? !!

 

About 1% or less ?

 

Need to expand again to the question of expenses paid; now that is a real can of worms. Specialist societies and groups offer fuel costs only. Very fair, I have to cover the van hire cost, but that's all right - after all I chose the size of the layout..

 

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Need to expand again to the question of expenses paid; now that is a real can of worms. Specialist societies and groups offer fuel costs only. Very fair, I have to cover the van hire cost, but that's all right - after all I chose the size of the layout..

 

Bob

 

I would expect all shows to cover expences van hire, fuel and provide accomodation and breakfasts if you are staying over, although there is a difference between expences and apperance money which I have heard some layouts charge, or having extra operators than needed so they can have a weekend jolly!

 

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Oh come on !

 

What are the chances that the carer is a model railway enthusiast just bumming their way in for nowt ? !!

 

About 1% or less ?

 

Need to expand again to the question of expenses paid; now that is a real can of worms. Specialist societies and groups offer fuel costs only. Very fair, I have to cover the van hire cost, but that's all right - after all I chose the size of the layout..

 

Bob

 

Blimey, we're already on the second can of worms....

 

Even including the cost of hiring a van, a large layout can work out less than several smaller ones. The whole expenses malarky relies on the exhibitors being fair, as i'm sure 99% of us are. It's the 1% who are MP's or charge an apearance fee who ruin it.

 

As i've said before, is there an upper limit for how much a show could reasonably charge...? Think what Warley would be like if the entrance fee was £15, and the extra money was used to pay for better layouts from wider afield or make better use of the space within the hall for large seating areas, etc. On the other hand, I know of some who think the current entrance fee is too high, and would rather go to several village hall shows instead.

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There are those who make journeys of over a hundred miles each way to visit shows, have to get up at a gawd-awful hour to do so, and get home late - they need somewhere to put sandwiches, drinks, books to read on the train. etc and a rucksack is the most logical and easily carried method of doing so, and taking home purchases - lets admit that what suits one doesn't suit all, and stop whinging about those who consider them a necessity. Lights blue touchpaper and retires!biggrin.gif

Jack, a defiant user of rucksack, though I do carry it round the exhibition by its handle.

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Jack, a defiant user of rucksack, though I do carry it round the exhibition by its handle.

 

Yup, me too. Seems a bit odd for some to want you to spend money with traders and then deny you a safe and secure means of carrying off the booty. Carrier bags are not clever on the push-bike from the station.

 

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I don't own a rucksack (never have) but have travelled well over 100 miles to shows on public transport and have sometimes spent what I regard as quite hefty sums of money at said shows and have then transported home my 'shopping' - still without a rucksack, and without any problems even when the journey has included negotiating the Circle Line or travelling on a 'bus.

 

But I must admit I have sometimes arrived home with aching wrists and arms.

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There are those who make journeys of over a hundred miles each way to visit shows, have to get up at a gawd-awful hour to do so, and get home late - they need somewhere to put sandwiches, drinks, books to read on the train. etc and a rucksack is the most logical and easily carried method of doing so, and taking home purchases - lets admit that what suits one doesn't suit all, and stop whinging about those who consider them a necessity.

 

Thanks Jack, I think your balanced post negates the need for any more discussion of rucksacks, something which will lead us nowhere useful. We all know that there are some users who don't use them responsibly, but carping about it in this topic won't change that.

 

Cheers.

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There are those who make journeys of over a hundred miles each way to visit shows, have to get up at a gawd-awful hour to do so, and get home late - they need somewhere to put sandwiches, drinks, books to read on the train. etc and a rucksack is the most logical and easily carried method of doing so, and taking home purchases - lets admit that what suits one doesn't suit all, and stop whinging about those who consider them a necessity. Lights blue touchpaper and retires!biggrin.gif

 

Not wanting to turn the thread into a rucksack loathing one but, it's not the rucksacks that are the problem.

 

Go to one of the big outdoors shows at the NEC and you'll not get hit by a rucksack despite there being many more. The problem is folk forget that they're wearing one and turn round without thinking that their backs now stick out an extra few inches.

 

There's a nice sign at the National Tramway museum that sums it up nicely:

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At exhibitions grown men become boys again and stop looking where they're going, stopping to chat in the middle of an isle oblivious to the chaos they're causing, not look where their walking stick is going as they pick up their latest purchasers or clip peoples ankles with their wheel or push chair. All it takes is to spend a little more time looking where you're going and then everyone's happy.

 

Happy modelling.

 

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As the poster who started this I apologise wholeheartedly (I don't really as my tongue was firmly in my cheek) for using the R word.

 

 

 

Ah well, I suppose attempts at humour are best left in other places.

 

 

 

I must take it seriously.

I must take it seriously.

I must take it seriously.

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As the poster who started this I apologise wholeheartedly (I don't really as my tongue was firmly in my cheek) for using the R word.

 

 

 

Ah well, I suppose attempts at humour are best left in other places.

 

 

 

I must take it seriously.

I must take it seriously.

I must take it seriously.

........x100

 

ditto

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The entry price must not be concidered too high by the punters if the number stays the same, or go up each year, and the gate money and the rent for the trade stands covers all the costs involved. If the numbers of punters going through the gates start going down, this means the price is concidered too high by the punters becourse there is not enough there or the layouts and or trade stands are not worth the cost to go in.

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As the poster who started this I apologise wholeheartedly (I don't really as my tongue was firmly in my cheek) for using the R word.

 

 

Not a problem as such Phil. We know your humour and we'd prefer that a little levity could just stay at that, but unfortunately experience shows that it's guaranteed to set off those who aren't so chilled about it. We don't like it much either, but it's how it is.

 

Cheers.

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Taking the other extreme, I was offered free tickets to an exhibition but that wasn't enough to persuade me to go - it was the roughly 400 mile round trip and seven hours of travelling time that put me off.

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