RMweb Gold martin_wynne Posted October 24, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 24, 2023 Final RAIB report published today: https://www.gov.uk/government/news/report-122023-collision-between-passenger-trains-at-salisbury-tunnel-junction It seems RAIB can do all that careful investigation work, but not notice a typo in the name of their PDF file! Yet again I can't post this in the original topic because it is locked (sigh). That makes 3 topics now on the same subject. Martin. 1 4 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Bucoops Posted October 24, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 24, 2023 1 hour ago, martin_wynne said: Final RAIB report published today: https://www.gov.uk/government/news/report-122023-collision-between-passenger-trains-at-salisbury-tunnel-junction It seems RAIB can do all that careful investigation work, but not notice a typo in the name of their PDF file! Yet again I can't post this in the original topic because it is locked (sigh). That makes 3 topics now on the same subject. Martin. I believe that if you PM a moderator they can unlock a relevant thread to allow for it to be updated with useful info. I totally get why the threads are locked, with the amount of armchair experts and speculation thrown around :) 2 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold martin_wynne Posted October 24, 2023 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted October 24, 2023 24 minutes ago, Bucoops said: I totally get why the threads are locked, with the amount of armchair experts and speculation thrown around :) No-one is under the slightest obligation to read it. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted October 24, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 24, 2023 2 hours ago, martin_wynne said: Yet again I can't post this in the original topic because it is locked (sigh). That makes 3 topics now on the same subject. You can pm Andy with the relevant info and he will add it to the topic. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Bucoops Posted October 24, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 24, 2023 2 hours ago, martin_wynne said: No-one is under the slightest obligation to read it. No, but it can prevent a defamation case or similar. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted October 24, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 24, 2023 5 minutes ago, Bucoops said: No, but it can prevent a defamation case or similar The report makes interesting reading and recommendations,It does not seek to apportion blame.That…as far as this forum is concerned….is the point of preventing further comment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold martin_wynne Posted October 24, 2023 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted October 24, 2023 3 minutes ago, Bucoops said: No, but it can prevent a defamation case or similar. How does locking it in place prevent that? Unwanted content should be removed, not locked in place. There is no reason why Warners should have any material hosted on their servers which they don't want there. Just delete it. Locking a topic prevents those who have contributed to it from updating or amending it with new or corrected information. The internet is awash with utter rubbish and if you own an internet server it's important to make some effort to prevent Google indexing the rubbish for 100 years. Martin. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeithMacdonald Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 Some of the "probable underlying factors" mentioned in the report were leaf contamination, drizzle and low track adhesion. As it's nearly a whole year since that accident, let's hope we don't get a repeat of that seasonal combination of factors. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted October 24, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 24, 2023 18 minutes ago, KeithMacdonald said: As it's nearly a whole year since that accident, let's hope we don't get a repeat of that seasonal combination of factors. two years . . . 31st October 2021 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Bucoops Posted October 24, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 24, 2023 22 minutes ago, Ian Hargrave said: The report makes interesting reading and recommendations,It does not seek to apportion blame.That…as far as this forum is concerned….is the point of preventing further comment. Agreed - the link to the report is completely appropriate, that's not the issue. 21 minutes ago, martin_wynne said: How does locking it in place prevent that? Unwanted content should be removed, not locked in place. There is no reason why Warners should have any material hosted on their servers which they don't want there. Just delete it. Locking a topic prevents those who have contributed to it from updating or amending it with new or corrected information. The internet is awash with utter rubbish and if you own an internet server it's important to make some effort to prevent Google indexing the rubbish for 100 years. Martin. Because moderators have better things to do than watch problem threads when there is nothing that can be added until something official is available. When something relevant IS available, it's no hardship to send a quick message to a mod and get the appropriate thread unlocked. I don't understand why this approach is a problem? 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted October 24, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 24, 2023 21 minutes ago, martin_wynne said: Unwanted content should be removed, not locked in place. There is no reason why Warners should have any material hosted on their servers which they don't want there. Just delete it. I think more because Andy simply cannot be an editor of every single topic so it saves more inflammatory or legally dubious content being added. He’s there to remove stuff if it challenged in the main as the poster is responsible for the content on an open forum. BRM is responsible for removing it when asked if they haven’t been alerted to it already. 1 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talltim Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 9 minutes ago, PaulRhB said: two years . . . 31st October 2021 If it was locked you wouldn't have been able to correct that... 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talltim Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 I wonder how Stagecoach feel about a train obviously in their colours being involved in an incident that is nothing to do with them? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted October 24, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 24, 2023 There is a comprehensive overview on BBC iPlayer now. A look at that should suffice 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted October 24, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 24, 2023 23 minutes ago, Talltim said: If it was locked you wouldn't have been able to correct that... Well actually I can as I’d just ping the correct info to Andy and if it’s important he makes the decision if it is relevant to 😉 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold martin_wynne Posted October 24, 2023 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted October 24, 2023 6 minutes ago, PaulRhB said: Well actually I can as I’d just ping the correct info to Andy and if it’s important he makes the decision if it is relevant to 😉 That's making more work for the moderators than if you were left free to correct it yourself. I've been running a web forum for over 20 years and I have never locked anything yet. Very occasionally remove or edit stuff. Martin. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jjb1970 Posted October 24, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 24, 2023 Am I the only one who finds something amusing in the way this is heading to be locked again?🤪🤣 4 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted October 24, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 24, 2023 6 minutes ago, jjb1970 said: Am I the only one who finds something amusing in the way this is heading to be locked again?🤪🤣 Well if it keeps speculation off the facts presented at bay then that’s fine 😉 the report should answer any questions as it has been subject to thorough review within the industry before being published. At least one member here was part of the rescue staff who went into the tunnel on the night so there are a few of us on here who knew a lot of the facts but left it to the report to give the full picture. 5 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted October 24, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 24, 2023 1 hour ago, Ian Hargrave said: There is a comprehensive overview on BBC iPlayer now. A look at that should suffice 9 And further still,the RAIB have just released their own video on YouTube 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted October 24, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 24, 2023 1 minute ago, Ian Hargrave said: And further still,the RAIB have just released their own video on YouTube 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 An interesting channel name with the numbers at the end, however, it is the RAIB's channel as it is referenced within their social media page on gov.uk. I was about to post the clip myself but wanted to be sure it's source was the RAIB and not someone's personal page. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted October 24, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 24, 2023 Survivability of the drivers space was questioned in the report. multiple unit cabs, especially 153 converted ends can be small, especially where theres a gangway. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John M Upton Posted October 25, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 25, 2023 22 hours ago, adb968008 said: Survivability of the drivers space was questioned in the report. multiple unit cabs, especially 153 converted ends can be small, especially where theres a gangway. Unfortunately, most multiple units, especially in recent times have crumple zones in each end of each car, in the event of a heavy collision involving an Electrostar for example, the driver is squished and so is anyone unlucky to be sitting on the bog in the small toilet at the time... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AY Mod Posted October 25, 2023 Moderators Share Posted October 25, 2023 On 24/10/2023 at 14:37, PaulRhB said: I think more because Andy simply cannot be an editor of every single topic so it saves more inflammatory or legally dubious content being added. He’s there to remove stuff if it challenged in the main as the poster is responsible for the content on an open forum. BRM is responsible for removing it when asked if they haven’t been alerted to it already. As you know I'm happy to listen to information off-forum to enable the appropriate decisions to be made. Before anyone gets awkward about any reasons why this particular topic was locked it went beyond preventing the usual speculation/opinion/blame apportionment as there were specific personal issues involved. What was there was relevant and there were good reasons for preventing further uninformed comment so anyone who thinks it wasn't policed correctly can (your choice of wording) off. 3 2 1 4 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted October 25, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 25, 2023 2 hours ago, AY Mod said: it went beyond preventing the usual speculation/opinion/blame apportionment as there were specific personal issues involved. Very much appreciated by those of us who worked with those involved. thank you. 1 1 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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