844fan Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 Hey all, If you have seen it years ago I posted a thread on Pannier Tank engines of Belgium, I got a lot of help back then and a lot of results on finding pictures and articles on them. But I still wanted to find a Specification drawing of the engines. I am still looking for one primarily but I did find that the Belgian Museum of Railways had a PDF of the Type 51 Belgian tank engine, with a diagram drawing of the engine front side and back. But it isn't that simple is it? It being from Belgium the information is in French, so I wanted to see if anyone could help me translate it. The PDF is attached and it was free from their museum site so I don't think it is against the rules to attach it. If it is I will remove it and link to it directly. While I only really want the Blueprint Diagrams translated I wouldn't say no to help on the full thing. Anyone want to try? Locomotive a vapeur type 51_FR_V1.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted November 23, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 23, 2023 (edited) 17 minutes ago, 844fan said: But it isn't that simple is it? screenshot each page and save to a file on a pc or photos on your phone/tablet, open Google translate, select the camera option and then pictures from your file and select French to English and it does it for you 😉 You can then screenshot the translated image as below and save it. Edited November 23, 2023 by PaulRhB 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted November 23, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 23, 2023 Process on a iPhone, similar on android and pc open google translate from google, select camera, step by step for each can be googled. Select French to English then pics from library Select image to translate Instant translation 😁 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
844fan Posted November 23, 2023 Author Share Posted November 23, 2023 25 minutes ago, PaulRhB said: Process on a iPhone, similar on android and pc open google translate from google, select camera, step by step for each can be googled. Select French to English then pics from library Select image to translate Instant translation 😁 Thank you very much, had no idea this was a thing. Does it work on Japanese too? That is for other projects but it never hurts to ask. Thank you very much I will do that tomorrow on my PC. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted November 23, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 23, 2023 Just now, 844fan said: Thank you very much, had no idea this was a thing. Does it work on Japanese too? That is for other projects but it never hurts to ask. Thank you very much I will do that tomorrow on my PC. Works on many languages, there’s a drop-down list, although the translation can vary a bit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
844fan Posted November 23, 2023 Author Share Posted November 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, PaulRhB said: Works on many languages, there’s a drop-down list, although the translation can vary a bit. Indeed, anything translated by a Google translate is a convenience not a interpreter. 😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted November 23, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 23, 2023 1 hour ago, 844fan said: Indeed, anything translated by a Google translate is a convenience not a interpreter. 😉 Indeed, Google translate adds another, hitherto undiscovered, language, that of Googlish! Mike. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul H Vigor Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 The loco that popped up when I clicked on the link had a square chimney! That's got to be a unique feature!? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Jeremy Cumberland Posted November 23, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 23, 2023 (edited) Google Translate will do pdfs for you without anything fancy. Go to https://translate.google.co.uk/, click on documents and drag your downloaded file into the box. Then download the translation. It is only really the drawings that aren't translated, and these are easy enough to work out (although reading the numbers is a little tricky in some cases). The drawing on page 4 has cylinder diameter, piston travel, boiler diameter, number of tubes, tube length, tube external diameter, heating surface (firebox, tubes and total), grate area, grate length, boiler capacity, tank capacity (litres), coal capacity (kg), axle weights (front, middle, rear) total weight, grate width, maximum boiler pressure in atmospheres, valve gear, tractive effort. Edited November 23, 2023 by Jeremy Cumberland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted November 23, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 23, 2023 30 minutes ago, Jeremy Cumberland said: Google Translate will do pdfs for you without anything fancy. Go to https://translate.google.co.uk/, click on documents and drag your downloaded file into the box. Then download the translation. Yep for pure text it’s faster but the photo translate converts the captions in situ so easier to read if a little slower to translate 😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete_mcfarlane Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Paul H Vigor said: The loco that popped up when I clicked on the link had a square chimney! That's got to be a unique feature!? Not for Belgium. A lot of Belpaire's locos (and railmotors) had square chimneys. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belgian_State_Railways_Type_25 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul H Vigor Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 57 minutes ago, pete_mcfarlane said: Not for Belgium. A lot of Belpaire's locos (and railmotors) had square chimneys. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belgian_State_Railways_Type_25 They look so odd! Or am I being chimney-ist?? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium New Haven Neil Posted November 23, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 23, 2023 9 hours ago, Paul H Vigor said: They look so odd! Or am I being chimney-ist?? You want odd? But the chimney isn't square, sorry! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
844fan Posted November 24, 2023 Author Share Posted November 24, 2023 7 hours ago, New Haven Neil said: You want odd? But the chimney isn't square, sorry! Oh ho ho no no, they do my friend. Have a look. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Ian Morgan Posted November 24, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 24, 2023 How do they classify that wheel configuration? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Jeremy Cumberland Posted November 24, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 24, 2023 10 hours ago, Ian Morgan said: How do they classify that wheel configuration? I don't know how "they" classify it, but to Mr Bulleid, it's a 1C. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium New Haven Neil Posted November 24, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 24, 2023 15 hours ago, 844fan said: Oh ho ho no no, they do my friend. Have a look. I have that magazine, the incomparable Dennis Allenden. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium New Haven Neil Posted November 24, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 24, 2023 10 hours ago, Ian Morgan said: How do they classify that wheel configuration? Mr Whyte's system falls flat in this case! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted November 24, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 24, 2023 It's a 3/4 in Switzerland 🙂 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trainman0 Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 (edited) I found this image of one. No. 815. Got destroyed in WW1 Edited March 22 by trainman0 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trainman0 Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 (edited) In this image you can see that the end of the boiler is slanted, however Dennis Alenden's is still accurate because they got new boilers in the 1890's Edited March 22 by trainman0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trainman0 Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 (edited) 10 where built in 1874 for the Luxembourg line numbered 808-818. The 812 was transformed in 1897 into a prototype of the type 12 and 811 was transformed to a type 4. Two where taken by force in WW1 No. 815 and 817. 815 got destroyed in conflict but 817 survived and got scrapped in 1926. The rest where withdrawn from service between 1923-1926 Edited March 23 by trainman0 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted March 22 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 22 On 24/11/2023 at 20:50, New Haven Neil said: Mr Whyte's system falls flat in this case! 0-6(2)-0 ? 😗 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike morley Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 (edited) 0-4(2)2-0PT? Edited March 22 by mike morley 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hodgson Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 On 23/11/2023 at 21:46, New Haven Neil said: You want odd? But the chimney isn't square, sorry! If they needed to put an extra pair of carrying wheels on an 0-6-0PT to get an acceptable axle loading, they must have been expecting it to have to run on some pretty ropey trackwork. Which they probably had a lot of during WW1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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