Accentuate the negative - who's trying to kill the hobby?

[wombatofludham]

36 minutes ago, PMP said:

The problem with ‘extrapolating’ observations as you have made is that the videos you’ve watched, only include elements that the videographer wants to film. There are plenty of examples of realistic modelling at exhibitions, and channels that cover them.

Nobody is extrapolating anything and I've seen some very nice layouts with decent weathering live and on video.  All the videos I've watched show whole layouts and all the exhibits at the show, not just "edited highlights".  But many, many more seem to have little weathering beyond the rolling stock.  Perhaps that is how the layout builder wanted things, and if you read the rest of the post instead of jumping to conclusions and using your conclusions to put up a patronising response, you would see that notwithstanding my finding it odd quite a few exhibitors seemingly prefer not to weather buildings, track or in some cases stock. I still value the skill, modelling and the fact they have shared their modelling and time to show the layout off.  Having done exhibitions myself as an exhibitor it's no easy task and my observations were by way of a casual observation of a wide range of layouts, both in person and on well produced and comprehensive videos, all shot with the consent of the exhibitor.

[Ian Fisher]

5 minutes ago, MattR said:

 

It's a handy and shortened way to refer to people born in a specific time frame, rather than having to say "people between the ages of 27 and 12" and next year "people between the ages of 28 and 13" and after that "people between the ages of 29 and 14".

 

Guess we should stop "labeling" people as Victorians or Edwardians.

 

 

You just added in more ....its boring and pointless

[jjb1970]

The problem with labelling by age and generation is it generally leads to judging people according to which group they sit in. I get the logic in defining generations for statistical analysis and other things, and get defining historic eras but it falls down when people in older age groups are out of touch technophobic bigots who hate outsiders, young people are feckless layabouts who sit around playing games and expect everything on a plate blah blah blah. If such generalizations were applied to gender, race, nationality or other traits they'd rightly be dismissed as prejudiced and hateful but for some reason it seems OK to make sweeping and objectionable generalizations based on age.

[MattR]

I think those generalizations would exist even if generational theory wasn't a thing. We're humans. We love to judge.

[jjb1970]

2 minutes ago, MattR said:

I think those generalizations would exist even if generational theory wasn't a thing. We're humans. We love to judge.

 

I tend to agree, however I think we'd just dream up alternative labels to pigeonhole people.

[Long Line]

2 hours ago, MattR said:

At least here in the U.S.:

 

Silent Generation: born 1928-1945 (ages 96-79)

Baby Boomers: born 1946-1964 (ages 78-60)

Gen(eration) X: born 1965-1980 (ages 59-43)

Millennials: born 1981-1996 (ages 42-28)

Gen(eration) Z: born 1997-2012 (ages 27-12)

Gen(eration) Alpha: born 2013-present (age 11 and under)

 

 

Really?

Is this straight up?

Born in 67 I've always been told i was a baby boomer?

But what do i know: I've mostly dabbled in GWR,  but as i now include surface rail on my Paddington project i guess I'm LPTB too 😆

Edited February 23 by Long Line

[Steamport Southport]

People do realise these terms have existed since the 1970s and possibly 1960s?

 

Don't forget the band Generation X has been going since 1976!

 

 

 

Jason

[rob D2]

2 hours ago, Ian Fisher said:

Means B*gger all 

 

I dont get why people are so keen on labelling others 

 

As someone else pointed out , it’s an easy reference to when people were born.

 

It’s not some “judgement “ on the relative merits of each group, so you can park your outrage .

Edited February 23 by rob D2

[Not Jeremy]

I know what Tim (CK) means, but following on fromMatt's comment I think I'm happy to be labelled an Elizabethan, maybe...

 

Generally not fond of labelling, even less judgments, and as for rules, grrrr

 

I'm off to the show at Compton Dundon tomorrow to remember the wonderful Howard Martin, with friends. My display is quite hard to label - neither layout nor train set.....

 

I have set my alarm

 

Simon

[Steamport Southport]

If you are going by current era aren't we now Caroleans?

 

 

https://www.royalmint.com/shop/monarch/charles-iii/coronation/the-carolean-age/

 

 

 

[petethemole]

The original "Generation X" were actually Baby Boomers.  This book came out in January 1964 and I bought a copy.  I turned 16 that year.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-26339959

[2ManySpams]

15 hours ago, wombatofludham said:

I must admit to having been watching a number of videos recently on the Choob of shows I can't really get to, living virtually on the beach (well, a few yards inland of it) in Wales with several hours of mountains to traverse to get to any exhibitions, even those in the part of Wales where they don't really speak proper Cymraeg y Gogs.  There's a surprising number of them which must be a sign of the hobby actually being in a good place, and they have made me determined to get over to the Midlands to visit a few more shows this year, so long as Welshpool isn't under water.  There were a few things that stood out though which I haven't noticed before;

Why don't exhibitors weather buildings?  The stock is often treated but the surrounding buildings look almost like new builds.

Similarly, when was the last time you saw pristine ballast unless after relaying?  Today, ballast looks a lot cleaner I grant you, since we stopped dumping (literally) aerosol brown liquid out of coach lavatories, no longer have widespread cast iron brake shoes scrubbing off iron oxide and replaced 1950s incontinent diesels dribbling oil everywhere, but up until the 1990s most ballast was a murky shade of brown or even black, so much so any new ballasting stood out like the proverbial baboon's bottom.  Yet a lot of the layouts I've seen film of have nice, clean ballast.

Arriving at a terminus at a scale 50 mph to stop with such a force you'd catapult the passengers through the building and into the next county.  Now I will put my hands up and admit to having a few buffer stop interfaces when operating "King's Oak" mainly due to one unit having some sort of inertia simulating DCC chip installed which I could never master, but when running "Dolgellau" I liked to run trains at scale speed, with gentle stops that wouldn't lead to HMRI popping round for a chat or having to get the whole Meirionydd ambulance fleet out.

Of course none of these observations in any way negates my respect and admiration for the modelling, and the exhibitors who have given up their time and incurred considerable expense and inconvenience to show off their modelling, which is often in all other aspects fantastic and deserving of praise.  Nor would I consider these things "deal breakers", I'm not that anally retentive, but it does seem a bit odd.  Of course, I suppose the correct attitude to take, which is what I do when at an exhibition in person, is to view the layout as a work of art, and as such, is allowed artistic interpretation and as such should be enjoyed in the round.  So what if the pigs are the wrong kind of pigs, the buildings look like they have just been erected and not a trackside fertilised tomato plant is to be seen, at least someone has produced a working artwork, sometimes of subjects which are unfamiliar or challenging.

 

Exhibitors don't weather buildings? I beg to differ...

 

 

 

 

 

 

And another currently being finished...

 

 

There are a significant number of layouts out there where everything is modelled and weathered to an overall convincing scene. Just a few examples from layouts I've been involved in:

 

 

 

(Above 3 photos taken by Jamie of this parish)

 

 

(Above 2 photos by Andy York)

 

 

[Colin_McLeod]

12 hours ago, rob D2 said:

As someone else pointed out , it’s an easy reference to when people were born.

 

Or we could just use the Bachmann era system 😁

[Steamport Southport]

2 hours ago, Colin_McLeod said:

 

Or we could just use the Bachmann era system 😁

 

No thanks!

 

As a proud Red I refuse to identify as anything "Blue"!  🤢

 

 

But you would also get two factions. Hornby or Bachmann, as they are both different....

 

https://www.kernowmodelrailcentre.com/pg/192/KRMC-Skrifa---The-Epoch-or-Era-System

 

Splitters!

[rob D2]

Is their not like an NMRA standard set of eras ?

[Oldddudders]

4 minutes ago, rob D2 said:

Is their not like an NMRA standard set of eras ?

I'm not sure - but NMRA eras include, I think Transition, being from steam to diesel. That occurred in the early '50s in the `US, a full decade later in the UK. 

[34theletterbetweenB&D]

17 hours ago, Long Line said:

Born in 67 I've always been told i was a baby boomer?

Read P.J. O'Rourke's 'The Baby Boom' and once you have recovered from persistent laughter syndrome you can make your own decision.

 

Or we can all accept that people are just people and incapable of being described by timetable. I have just finished David Mitchell's 'Unruly' (more persistent laughter syndrome) and so much of his diatribe about the development of the UK's royalty from dark ages to late medieval, precisely echoes what Samuel wrote in the late Bronze age: which I would summarise as 'And you'll be sorry': 1 Samuel, c8 vv 11-18.

[Andy Hayter]

4 hours ago, rob D2 said:

Is their not like an NMRA standard set of eras ?

 

Yes full set of standards issued under the NEM norms.  The problem is they are centred on German railway history and sometimes they coincide with other country's development and often they don't get to a close match.   

Edited February 24 by Andy Hayter

[Ian Fisher]

20 hours ago, rob D2 said:

 

As someone else pointed out , it’s an easy reference to when people were born.

 

It’s not some “judgement “ on the relative merits of each group, so you can park your outrage .

 See more slack English.......never mentioned "judgement" clearly subconsciously you feel it relevant.

 

 

[Ian Fisher]

20 hours ago, rob D2 said:

 

As someone else pointed out , it’s an easy reference to when people were born.

 

It’s not some “judgement “ on the relative merits of each group, so you can park your outrage .

Park my outrage jesus wept lad...... enough

[AY Mod]

9 hours ago, 2ManySpams said:

 

 

 

The 'active' rust on that still makes me twitch. 😁

[2ManySpams]

Is this the right thread for an argument? Just asking for a friend...

[Ian Fisher]

Just now, rob D2 said:

Some punctuation maybe ?

You said you weren’t keen on “ labelling “ so I assumed you were an offended cupcake ..

 

I’m not a lad , boomer .

How sad.....

[Ian Fisher]

Just now, 2ManySpams said:

Is this the right thread for an argument? Just asking for a friend...

 

Just now, 2ManySpams said:

Is this the right thread for an argument? Just asking for a friend...

I see this as an attack ! someone is clearly happy to use emotive stupid phrases that somone showing themselves up as a bit weak......

[AY Mod]

3 minutes ago, Ian Fisher said:

How sad.....

 

Don't go reporting the posts of people you're arguing with and then quote them. It creates more work and you're being just as much of a PITA. Enough.