xm607 Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 Just a thought, is anyone going to look at making a S &D 1825 ish layout or diorama for the forthcoming Hornby Locomotion? 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Fair Oak Junction Posted January 30 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 30 Yep, I am. Still not decided what part of the S&DR to model. Skerne Bridge appears in many of the illustrations of the railway, but that feels a bit too obvious. Maybe something generic just to give the feel of the line, I don't know yet. As long as the overall feel is right then I'll be happy. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xm607 Posted January 31 Author Share Posted January 31 I am getting the same thoughts, something generic, as the Hornby model will be as it is now, it would have to be altered a bit, no bell and generic crew for instance, and then there’s the wagons, the later versions have been produced but not the early 1925 ones. The only hints to a layout is the one built in the early 1970’s and described in the September 75 Railway Modeller and in some books, so a bit of further research me thinks, and that would be for a small pastiche one, I can’t find a model of a horse drawn Mail stage coach ether, I sure that there was one! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Fair Oak Junction Posted January 31 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 31 1 hour ago, xm607 said: I can’t find a model of a horse drawn Mail stage coach ether, I sure that there was one! Transport Replicas by Varney, they used to whitemetal kits including a Royal Mail Stagecoach. Not easy to come by these days but I managed to nab one on eBay the other year. Keep an eye out, set a saved search, and hope one pops up 😉 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 Have a look at military model kits. You could probably use a Wild West Stagecoach and change the figures as a stop gap until you get a proper one. As an example. http://plasticsoldierreview.com/review.aspx?id=686 Jason 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dana Ashdown Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 (edited) For wagons, Locomotion Models (https://locomotionmodels.com/exclusives/rolling-stock) offer Accurascale's Stockton & Darlington Chaldron wagons. Smallbrook Studio also does resin kits for similar wagons (https://www.smallbrookstudio.co.uk/store/4mm-00-Gauge-c59600964). Edited February 7 by Dana Ashdown Adding link for Smallbrook Studio. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Fair Oak Junction Posted January 31 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 31 As discussed in the chaldron thread, those aren't technically correct for early S&DR waggons. But they are close enough for me (although I'm using the black ones). 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les1952 Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 Just need nameplates for HOPE, BLACK DIAMOND and DILIGENCE.... Les 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Fair Oak Junction Posted February 1 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 1 I would love nothing more than to backdate Locomotion into it's condition in 1825 (named "Active" but unlikely to have had nameplates) but it would require way too much work, would need replacement wheels that would most likely need to be custom made, and would need someone with greater skill than me. Removing the bell and nameplates will suffice for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grow45 Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 I recall an article in Railway Modeller from the 1970's that featured a layout based on the first days of the S& D with scratchbuilt rolling stock. What stuck in my mind was the builders comment that he had not weathered anything because of course it was all brand new which seems a great excuse if you don't want to weather your Hornby Locomotion and stock. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Fair Oak Junction Posted February 2 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 2 I would imagine things would only stay clean for literally the first two or three days. Once the opening was over and the crowds are gone, the waggons are back to coal use 😉 I'll definitely be weathering it all. I want it to looked worked 👌 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les1952 Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 6 hours ago, Fair Oak Junction said: I would imagine things would only stay clean for literally the first two or three days. Once the opening was over and the crowds are gone, the waggons are back to coal use 😉 I'll definitely be weathering it all. I want it to looked worked 👌 Locomotives were generally cleaned thoroughly in early days- there are some contemporary references to this I can't put my hand on immediately, but wagons would get dirty quickly- which might be a reason for chauldron wagons being black.... Les 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium RichardT Posted February 2 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 2 The Stockton and Darlington layout referred to above was in the September 1975 RM (for obvious reasons). It was built to P4 standards, and still exists as a static exhibit at Darlington Railway Museum (due to reopen after refurbishment later this year). So if anyone fancies reviving that layout and converting the Hornby model to P4… Richard 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Fair Oak Junction Posted February 2 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 2 (edited) 1 hour ago, Les1952 said: Locomotives were generally cleaned thoroughly in early days- there are some contemporary references to this I can't put my hand on immediately, but wagons would get dirty quickly- which might be a reason for chauldron wagons being black.... I do agree about the fastidious cleaning habits of the railways back in the day, but on a predominantly colliery line I doubt it would take long into the working day for the loco to get dirty. Plus I'm just not a fan of pristine models in general. As for the waggons being black I think that was also due to weatherproofing. I think pitch was used? Edited February 2 by Fair Oak Junction Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hroth Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 A layout based on some riverside coal drops might be do-able with a minimum of a single loco and some wagons. A 4x2 diorama should suffice! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Fair Oak Junction Posted February 2 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 2 Oh yes, definitely a subject easily adapted into a small or even micro layout/diorama 👍 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Fair Oak Junction Posted February 2 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 2 (edited) The part of the S&DR that interests me the most is the Gaunless Bridge, but as far as I can tell it only carried horse drawn traffic. Shame really, it would make an interesting centrepiece. The original bridge has recently been restored and moved to Shildon as part of the redevelopment. Edited February 2 by Fair Oak Junction 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xm607 Posted February 4 Author Share Posted February 4 The Gaunless iron bridge is an interesting and unique piece, I think that rule 1 would allow steam hauled trains over it whatever! It’s just one of a few set pieces that could be used. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Fair Oak Junction Posted February 5 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 5 19 hours ago, xm607 said: The Gaunless iron bridge is an interesting and unique piece, I think that rule 1 would allow steam hauled trains over it whatever! It’s just one of a few set pieces that could be used. Well....I am a firm believer in the use of Rule 1. Maybe I will consider modelling the bridge for the diorama layout. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xm607 Posted February 6 Author Share Posted February 6 The Locomotion model is shown to be run on second radius curves as a minimum, but I am sure that it will work on first radius, I wonder if Hornby are just giving this as a default minimum curve. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seaniom Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 New image over on Hornby https://uk.Hornby.com/products/s-and-dr-0-4-0-locomotion-no-1-era-11-r30346 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 Anyone know where you can get loads of blokes in Georgian costumes waving their top hats about? We've got the suitable crew for the 1925 Cavalcade.... https://picturestocktonarchive.com/2006/05/27/locomotion-no-1/ https://www.railwaywondersoftheworld.com/railway_centenary.html Jason Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Fair Oak Junction Posted February 7 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 7 (edited) 8 hours ago, Seaniom said: New image over on Hornby https://uk.Hornby.com/products/s-and-dr-0-4-0-locomotion-no-1-era-11-r30346 Ooooh, very nice! I'm trying to not get too excited for this, but that plan isn't working very well 😄 If they can achieve a wood effect like that on the finished one I'll be happy. Edited February 7 by Fair Oak Junction 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Fair Oak Junction Posted February 7 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 7 (edited) I've emailed the NRM archive team about drawings of the Gaunless Bridge that are supposedly in their collection. They were done by the NER in 1901 when the bridge was dismantled and moved. Fingers crossed I can get hold of copies 🤞 Edited February 7 by Fair Oak Junction 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xm607 Posted February 8 Author Share Posted February 8 My rough attempt at drawing the Gaunless bridge, from photos with some dimensions, and some wagons not covered by RTR. 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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