Peterborough North

[mario de prisco]

Some of you may recall that a while back Gilbert had a couple of visitors from the West Riding, a photo of one appearing on this thread. Well I have finally got around to putting together some video footage shot on that occasion. Unfortunately, by the time the camera came out the light was failing and the beautiful red sunset did little to enhance things. However, Gilbert has decided to publish and be d****d, so here it is.

 

http://youtu.be/HySHbTc33Pw

 

 

Enchanting the transit of neat English train that you can see in this video.

 

Final sound goods with a long series of short floats that remind me so much of the parades of almost 50 wagons type "F" for towing a FS E.626 on Calabria's Tyrrhenian in the late 60's.

 

Really the goods made ​​them pass under the shed?

 

I link this video for italians in this forum. Thanks

 

Ciao a tutti

Mario

Edited November 1, 2012 by mario de prisco

[great northern]

The other day a teenage member of my golf club mentioned that he had heard that I had a train set . I couldn't get over to him what it actually is, so this morning I took a few hasty snaps and put them on photo quality paper to show him. He still didn't really seem to be able to fathom it, but at least he knows Thomas doesn't feature. Anyway, I was quite pleased with one effort, so it has been nominated as shot of the day.

 

 

All is not as it seems. The A4 has not been reduced to hauling a short train of non corridor stock, though on occasions they did. It is waiting to take over an Up train which is due shortly. There is in reality no kink in the platform, it is yet another glitch resulting from use of zoom.

 

The other day a teenage member of my golf club mentioned that he had heard that I had a train set . I couldn't get over to him what it actually is, so this morning I took a few hasty snaps and put them on photo quality paper to show him. He still didn't really seem to be able to fathom it, but at least he knows Thomas doesn't feature. Anyway, I was quite pleased with one effort, so it has been nominated as shot of the day.

 

 

All is not as it seems. The A4 has not been reduced to hauling a short train of non corridor stock, though on occasions they did. It is waiting to take over an Up train which is due shortly. There is in reality no kink in the platform, it is yet another glitch resulting from use of zoom.

[great northern]

Sorry for the dupilcation. First effort resulted in a dreaded SQL error message, but apparently it loaded anyway.

Edited November 1, 2012 by great northern

[richzr7]

_{Great Northern,}

 

_{This is a really great shot, one of the best to date. Really enjoying the "shot of the day" keep them coming.}

_{Inspirational project}

 

_Rich

[Michael Delamar]

Gilbert, some prototype shots, not sure if you've seen them before?

 

http://www.flickr.com/photos/64518788@N05/8124224777/

 

http://www.flickr.com/photos/64518788@N05/8115378954/

 

http://www.flickr.com/photos/64518788@N05/8073274261/

 

http://www.flickr.com/photos/64518788@N05/7764056570/

[andyrush]

In addition to the Peterborough shots noted by Michael, Ken Fairey took a number of pictures around St Neots, both at the station and at Rowley's Lane bridge (133) to the north. Some of these can be seen in the same Flickr collection, and give useful information on trains (as opposed to the chuffing things on the front!)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/64518788@N05/7845416924/in/photostream/ shows one of the wonderfully mixed parcels trains that used to entertain us (including a couple of cattle wagons, presumably empty after vegetable traffic use). Using 'Ken Fairey St Neots' in Google Images will find some more pictures.

 

Andy

[great northern]

Gilbert, some prototype shots, not sure if you've seen them before?

 

http://www.flickr.co...N05/8124224777/

 

http://www.flickr.co...N05/8115378954/

 

http://www.flickr.co...N05/8073274261/

 

http://www.flickr.co...N05/7764056570/

 

Many thanks Michael. I had seen a couple, but the one of the two Tyneside A3's passing each other was new to me. Those were both very rare engines, so any spotter who was there would have been very pleased. I don't know how you keep finding all these lovely and very helpful images? Whatever search words I put in Google I don't seem to be able to get anything like this.

[Gravy Train]

Good morning Gilbert,

that is a fantastic photograph, i wish I could take photos that good :-)

cheers

Peter

[great northern]

In addition to the Peterborough shots noted by Michael, Ken Fairey took a number of pictures around St Neots, both at the station and at Rowley's Lane bridge (133) to the north. Some of these can be seen in the same Flickr collection, and give useful information on trains (as opposed to the chuffing things on the front!)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/64518788@N05/7845416924/in/photostream/ shows one of the wonderfully mixed parcels trains that used to entertain us (including a couple of cattle wagons, presumably empty after vegetable traffic use). Using 'Ken Fairey St Neots' in Google Images will find some more pictures.

 

Andy

 

Thanks Andy, another box of delights to open! A 9F on empties with two brake vans directly behind the engine was a good start. Presumably a call from New England yard to Ferme Park may have been responsible - " We can't send you any more coal until you let us have some of our ******** brake vans back".

[jwealleans]

Have you had a good look at that second BV, Gilbert? Looks to me like a Southern one of a type Bachmann may have recently done.

[andyrush]

Gilbert

 

Brake van payment orders were made (on the Eastern Region at least) by the Regional Control Office at Liverpool Street (York after 1969) and were based on 'declared surpluses and shortages' that were phoned over to Control Offices as part of the morning wagon reports. Sometimes Whitemoor had enough brake vans on hand to be able to supply the 20 ordered to Mansfield Con on one train! A watch on brake vans being moved around as 'payments' would give you a clue as to the relative popularity of types of van with the guards at any particular place!

 

Andy

[Guest jonte]

The other day a teenage member of my golf club mentioned that he had heard that I had a train set ..................

 

Dear Gilbert,

 

I sincerely hope and trust that this impudent youth had followed protocol by submitting a written request before approaching a senior. Duly, he should have been immediately directed to the local municipal pitch and putt course in penitence for his sins.

 

Keep 'em coming.

 

Bestest,

 

Jonte.

Edited November 2, 2012 by jonte

[great northern]

Have you had a good look at that second BV, Gilbert? Looks to me like a Southern one of a type Bachmann may have recently done.

 

Thanks Jonathan, I must spend more time and look at things more closely. I must admit that I was more struck by photographs of a J6 and a B17 on Wellingborough shed!

[great northern]

Dear Gilbert,

 

I sincerely hope and trust that this impudent youth had followed protocol by submitting a written request before approaching a senior. Duly, he should have been immediately directed to the local municipal pitch and putt course in penitence for his sins.

 

Keep 'em coming.

 

Bestest,

 

Jonte.

 

Actually he's a nice lad, and pretty human for a teenager. He's 15, very small for his age, not much over 5ft, but still hits the ball a mile. And he plays off a handicap of 1. I think he will be quite good when he grows and bulks out a bit.

[great northern]

Gilbert

 

Brake van payment orders were made (on the Eastern Region at least) by the Regional Control Office at Liverpool Street (York after 1969) and were based on 'declared surpluses and shortages' that were phoned over to Control Offices as part of the morning wagon reports. Sometimes Whitemoor had enough brake vans on hand to be able to supply the 20 ordered to Mansfield Con on one train! A watch on brake vans being moved around as 'payments' would give you a clue as to the relative popularity of types of van with the guards at any particular place!

 

Andy

 

I had the good sense to keep a couple of 2004 Steam World copies that contained articles by Stanley Hall, New England yard master in 1959. Full of very useful information, and I was surprised to hear that trains were sometimes cancelled because of a lack of brake vans! Also surprising was the fact that so many cripple wagons spent their time being shuffled around the system becuase no one wanted the responsibility for doing something about it.

[BrushVeteran]

I had the good sense to keep a couple of 2004 Steam World copies that contained articles by Stanley Hall, New England yard master in 1959. Full of very useful information, and I was surprised to hear that trains were sometimes cancelled because of a lack of brake vans! Also surprising was the fact that so many cripple wagons spent their time being shuffled around the system becuase no one wanted the responsibility for doing something about it.

 

The brake vans were probably all hiding behind the ironstone tipplers up at High Dyke! From what I have researched I gather they had rather more at that location than they actually ever needed.

[great northern]

I made a resolution to get shot of the day done earlier so that I can get on with some modelling, and even perhaps some uninterrupted running of trains. This first one was no problem.

 

 

We focus on that Boston K2 waiting to amble up the E.Lincs line with the 5.03pm to Grimsby. The next one was no problem either.

 

 

A local 9F creeping along the Down slow with yet more coal empties. Then I decided to do a rear three quarter shot of the K2, as it looks very nice from that angle.

 

 

Whereas the other two took about 5 minutes each to edit, I gave up on this after nearly an hour, so apologies for the many obvious defects. I do hate it when I suddenly find that a chunk of something that should not have been removed, has been. I shall now have a late lunch, then go and play with my trains.

[Dr Gerbil-Fritters]

ctrl Z is your friend

[Mallard60022]

I hope I will be good "when I grows up and bulks out a bit", but until then I shall have to continue being as daft as a brush as my Granny used to say.

That K2 looks great from that angle. The Ks all seemed to be 'stocky' loco's; a sort of bull terrier of the loco world.

Oh and what gems about BVs and crippled wagons; I do love these little gems of information from so long ago. Thanks chaps.

P @ 36E

[andyrush]

I had the good sense to keep a couple of 2004 Steam World copies that contained articles by Stanley Hall, New England yard master in 1959. Full of very useful information, and I was surprised to hear that trains were sometimes cancelled because of a lack of brake vans! Also surprising was the fact that so many cripple wagons spent their time being shuffled around the system becuase no one wanted the responsibility for doing something about it.

By the mid 60's the 'grading' system for deciding whether/where wagons would be/should be repaired appeared to have fallen into disuse. Whitemoor used to get wagons labelled for repair at Tuxford, for example, only to find when they were offered on a train to Lincoln they would be declined as Tuxford were no longer dealing with that grade of cripple. They would then clutter up several roads in the down yard until the C&W people 'regraded' them which inevitably meant they needed shunting out for several different destinations. Made the shunting figures look good though.... . Then there were all the various types of surplus mineral wagons, which were a story unto themselves!

 

Andy

 

PS Have you got enough different types of parcels van to replicate the Ken Fairey shot? If so, can we have a suitable 'Picture of the Day?

[great northern]

ctrl Z is your friend

 

But doesn't that only allow me to undo what i have just done? I'm talking about things that I don't see until long after they have happened. I can go back through the whole history I think to get at it, but that takes forever, and I really don't have the patience. Or am I once again completely getting the wrong end of the stick? I do hope so.

[great northern]

By the mid 60's the 'grading' system for deciding whether/where wagons would be/should be repaired appeared to have fallen into disuse. Whitemoor used to get wagons labelled for repair at Tuxford, for example, only to find when they were offered on a train to Lincoln they would be declined as Tuxford were no longer dealing with that grade of cripple. They would then clutter up several roads in the down yard until the C&W people 'regraded' them which inevitably meant they needed shunting out for several different destinations. Made the shunting figures look good though.... . Then there were all the various types of surplus mineral wagons, which were a story unto themselves!

 

Andy

 

PS Have you got enough different types of parcels van to replicate the Ken Fairey shot? If so, can we have a suitable 'Picture of the Day?

 

I will see what can be done Andy. Probably Sunday though.

[great northern]

Here's the best I can come up with in trying to reproduce that A3 with the lovely eclectic parcels train. I don't have an A3 with German deflectors, nor (yet) does Pretty Polly appear on my layout, but at least it is a Grantham loco as Polly was, and I think the first four vehicles are correct. The main difficulty I had was finding somewhere to place the train so as to show as much of it as possible, there being few bits of straight track to choose from. It dosen't help that the straight bit is under the overall roof.

 

Here are three views, two in black and white as the original was, but one in colour for those who prefer things that way.

 

 

 

[jwealleans]

[anorak] I think you'll find the leading vehicle is a Southern Van C or variant, Gilbert. They seem to have got all over the system very quickly after 1948. Hornby is your friend. The vehicle behind the cattle vans is most likely Gresley but I have a small voice saying 'North Eastern' to me. BR CCT after that? Then a bogie Southern Van B? Then another Gresley but we're getting to the limit of what my screen will manage after that.[/anorak]

[great northern]

TW has risen to the challenge set by that parcels train. Here is his version running on Liitle Bytham, though it is now heading South.