Michael Delamar Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 have been told ive often got my head in the clouds 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Popular Post great northern Posted October 21, 2012 Author RMweb Premium Popular Post Share Posted October 21, 2012 A visit to Peterborough show yesterday resulted in the handing over of another eagerly awaited addition to the loco roster. Thanks to Tim for burning the midnight oil to get it ready in time. Apologies to him also for the images below, where my attempts at photoshopping sometimes haven't done full credit to his work. So, here we have the last of New England's three A2/2's, joining Mons Meg and Wolf of Badenoch. Fortunately we found a very good photo of 60505, reliably dated to July 1958, as it was a very individual engine indeed, having a number of unique detail differences from the rest of the class. What's more at a subsequent overhaul it's appearance changed yet again, so this is very much a targetted portrayal of a particular loco at a particular time. The engine is cleaner than most 34E residents, as it was on short term loan to Grantham in the summer of'58, and that shed kept locos clean at that time. Tim's thread in kitbuilding and scratchbuilding describes the origins of the loco and the work done to change a Bachmann A2 into this, so I'll leave that side of things to him. I'm delighted with it, as he has managed to identify and incorporate all of the features of 505 at this time, quite a lot of them requiring scratchbuilding, so I have not just a model of an A2/2 but a model of a particular loco at a specified time. Each loco he does for me is an improvement on the previous ones, and this is no exception. That is saying a lot, as the earlier ones were very good indeed. It is a pity that I really don't need many more engines..... Anyway, here is the loco, posed both on Down and Up trains so you can see all of the detail. 27 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tom F Posted October 21, 2012 Share Posted October 21, 2012 Finest 4mm A2/2 in my opinion. I get the feeling that after seeing this loco in the flesh, that this may be my wallets downfall! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidw Posted October 21, 2012 Share Posted October 21, 2012 (edited) Thanks for posting Gilbert Edited October 21, 2012 by davidw Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted October 21, 2012 Share Posted October 21, 2012 Dammit, that's beautiful. Tim has made a fantastic job of the A2/2. Also woke me up out of my deep sleep as I really should be repainting all the chalky green Hornby locos so that they have this classic oily look. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
micklner Posted October 21, 2012 Share Posted October 21, 2012 Nicely built. The cruel ultra close ups show a lot of debris in the finish particularly on the tender close up which is a shame . I have no doubt ok on normal viewing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium great northern Posted October 21, 2012 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted October 21, 2012 Finest 4mm A2/2 in my opinion. I get the feeling that after seeing this loco in the flesh, that this may be my wallets downfall! Oh really Tom, can't you show some will power, like I don't. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timara Posted October 21, 2012 Share Posted October 21, 2012 To add to what Gilbert has said in his post above, for those that haven't seen the build progress on this one, the link to the finished item is here, which includes it posing on Haymarket Cross where it was given a run for a couple of hours. On a personal note, I must say that I am rather relieved how 60505 has come out as it's not been an entirely easy build in comparison to the pair of A2/3s. A lot more planning had to be given over to getting things right on it, which extended to the running-plate steps and a few other interesting areas. If there are two items that I'm happy with then it's those and the sandbox filler pipes. The latter were turned in a minidrill from 2.5mm plastic rod to give the right style of cap and pipe. The steps took around an hour to make..... As an aside, the main front footsteps are from the Brassmasters detail pack for the Hornby A3. They are also the same pattern as those fitted to V2s, so there's another little thing to add to the Bachmann V2 in terms of bringing it up to par. There will be one of those on the way very soon, so watch this space..... Cheers! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted October 22, 2012 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 22, 2012 That is one beast; the original 'stealth loco'? I think the pic of the front third of 05 is amazing and has really inspired me to redo the smoke wings on my Woolwinder which look rubbish compared to the seating with these. OK so my 55 hasn't even got a layout to run on but I like looking at it. P @ 36E Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium great northern Posted October 22, 2012 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted October 22, 2012 That is one beast; the original 'stealth loco'? I think the pic of the front third of 05 is amazing and has really inspired me to redo the smoke wings on my Woolwinder which look rubbish compared to the seating with these. OK so my 55 hasn't even got a layout to run on but I like looking at it. P @ 36E That is one of the reasons I did that close up Phil - to show that extra pipe work, the sandboxes and their backing plates, and the useless, in practical terms, wing deflectors. The deflectors look right because Tim scratch built them. He was not satisfied that any proprietory offerings looked quite right, and I agree with him. One of the really good spin offs from all of this is that Tim is now able to absorb the accumulated knowledge and wisdom of TW. Tony remarked on the absence of some pipe work on the A2/3's, so Tim took that on board when making 505. OK, it took him a considerable time to do what is essentially a small detail, but he agrees it was worthwhile now that we can see the finished job. To me at least it is great to see a talented young man prepared to put a lot of time into recreating something that he never saw, and doing it to such a high standard, and that those of us who were fortunate enough to experience the real thing are able to pass on our knowledge so that the wonderful world of the steam railway may continue to be replicated after our generation has gone. 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timara Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 The deflectors look right because Tim scratch built them. He was not satisfied that any proprietory offerings looked quite right, and I agree with him. I ought to add that those items aren't made from scratch, but are in fact the excellent offerings from Morgan Gilbert and Graeme King. Those produced by DJH are a little squat for my liking and had too much of a rounded-off front edge too. One of the really good spin offs from all of this is that Tim is now able to absorb the accumulated knowledge and wisdom of TW. Tony remarked on the absence of some pipe work on the A2/3's, so Tim took that on board when making 505. OK, it took him a considerable time to do what is essentially a small detail, but he agrees it was worthwhile now that we can see the finished job. To me at least it is great to see a talented young man prepared to put a lot of time into recreating something that he never saw, and doing it to such a high standard, and that those of us who were fortunate enough to experience the real thing are able to pass on our knowledge so that the wonderful world of the steam railway may continue to be replicated after our generation has gone. I have to say that having Tony's breadth of knowledge on this small sub-class was absolutely invaluable and a wonderful help. There was one area that was a bit of a mystery to me at the time and that centred around the colour of the backing plate to the sandbox fillers. Tony didn't have a definite answer but we both agreed it would more than likely have been green, so green it went. The pipework was fun to do too and a couple of lightbulb moments happened whilst making both sets. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Popular Post great northern Posted October 22, 2012 Author RMweb Premium Popular Post Share Posted October 22, 2012 Nicely built. The cruel ultra close ups show a lot of debris in the finish particularly on the tender close up which is a shame . I have no doubt ok on normal viewing. Mainly my fault, Mick, as I did not think to dust over the loco before pointing the camera at it. Here is another image I have taken this morning. Even in, as you fairly say, "cruel" close up there are very few blemishes indeed, and from normal viewing distance there are none at all. Some spots are in fact weathering, and I have to say that on occasions Irfanview does some funny things when resizing- as it has done with the nameplate on this shot. And the tender lining now I look at it again. There is no distortion on the real thing, or even on the original image. 25 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Popular Post great northern Posted October 22, 2012 Author RMweb Premium Popular Post Share Posted October 22, 2012 I am introducing a feature called "shot of the day". I won't promise that it will be every day, as I do sometimes pursue other interests, and not all of those are golf balls. The idea though is that I shall concentrate on one image, or theme, and try to spend a bit of time on getting a fair quality result, rather than going for quantity. Today's offering is rather gentle- just an elderly 3F pottering along the Up main with a brake van. It will be taking the line down to East station when it gets past Crescent Bridge. For those interested in the technical side of things, I managed to shoot these with natural light,despite the gloom outside. They needed 5 seconds at f8 though. This was a real challenge, shot contre jour, and a dirty black subject. I just wanted to see what could be achieved knowing that I could burn out the background completely and photoshop a sky in. Not a lot, I think is the answer, oh,and apologies to Gravy Train for taking a couple of bites out of the Arcade wall while wielding the eraser too heavily. 24 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tom F Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 (edited) I really like those Gilbert! There really is something about the humble 0-6-0s pottering about doing their duties! Edited October 22, 2012 by Tom F 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
micklner Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 Mainly my fault, Mick, as I did not think to dust over the loco before pointing the camera at it. Here is another image I have taken this morning. Even in, as you fairly say, "cruel" close up there are very few blemishes indeed, and from normal viewing distance there are none at all. Some spots are in fact weathering, and I have to say that on occasions Irfanview does some funny things when resizing- as it has done with the nameplate on this shot. And the tender lining now I look at it again. There is no distortion on the real thing, or even on the original image. Thanks for taking the time with the addtional picture. Very glad to see most of it was loose "crud". Hopefully Bachmann are looking at this for next years offering of a A2/3 !!. I cant see a A2/2 ever appearing as they are so many differences between each Loco. Hornby have the Tender already so who knows !! cheers 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Richard E Posted October 23, 2012 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 23, 2012 Oh how nice following this thread continues to be. I am now kicking myself for going to the Showground on Sunday and not Saturday as I might just have bumped into Gilbert (not literally I might add quickly). I find it fascinating to see how this is all progressing and also how much does slot into place with what little is left of the original at the southern end of my daily commute. At heart, due to my childhood haunts, I am a G*R fan (there, I've sworn now) but I am being won round by the fantastic work going on here. As with all hobbies if we stopped to consider the cost we would never get involved but we all have to say a very big thank you to all involved with producing this real gem - such a shame that so few will get to see it in real life ... 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Y Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 Gilbert; I'm suitably impressed with your latest efforts. Absolutely great and well done. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.A.C Martin Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 Looks like they were taken in the 1950s. 'Nuff said, your photoshopping has come on in leaps and bounds. The modelling of Peterborough combined with the sky background becomes the real thing. It's that convincing. B&W it and you'd never know. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium great northern Posted October 23, 2012 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted October 23, 2012 Looks like they were taken in the 1950s. 'Nuff said, your photoshopping has come on in leaps and bounds. The modelling of Peterborough combined with the sky background becomes the real thing. It's that convincing. B&W it and you'd never know. Your wish is my command! 14 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium great northern Posted October 23, 2012 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted October 23, 2012 (edited) Back to earth with a bump There am I basking in the praise bestowed upon me by Andy Y and Simon, only to find that today's efforts have almost all been an unmitigated disaster. Still, it does me no harm to be brought back down to earth with a bump. Here are the only two shots today that managed to get through the photoshop. The 4.45pm arrival from Harwich at Platform 6 behind Cambridge B2 Framlingham. And a view from Crescent Bridge. The mice have been at some of the chimney stacks again. I've only just worked out that when I'm deleting bits on close ups of a small part of a photo, bits of very similar colour may be getting deleted elsewhere too. And I really must give Johny no mates someone to talk to...... Edited October 23, 2012 by great northern 15 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 (edited) I agree you have come on really well with skies. In fact I'll bet you are looking forward to lesson 2.... Shadows and creating mountains.... Edited October 23, 2012 by coachmann 14 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gerbil-Fritters Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 (edited) could you all please get on with some modelling please... recently this thread has become too much like my day job Edited October 23, 2012 by Dr Gerbil-Fritters 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted October 24, 2012 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 24, 2012 I am not going to look at this site for at least 12 hours. I must get on with my layout development. I am not going to look at this site for at least 12 hours. I must get on with my layout development. I am not going to look at this site for at least 12 hours. I must get on with my layout development. I am not going to look at this site for at least 12 hours. I must get on with my layout development. Just before I go, neat sky and very clever distant stuff Coach. Great pics Gilbert and Mr Nomates is quite happy there as I spoke with him yesterday P @ 36E Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Y Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 And I really must give Johny no mates someone to talk to...... Yup. I liked the shot we used in MI - http://www.rail-online.co.uk/GetImage.aspx?id=96d3947d-2c2f-400a-8ca3-2ccd823f650f&type=800 - but you'll have to round up some spotty spotters to stand at the platform end. The telegraph poles also look a bit 'busy'. That platform will need a bit of paint first though but it will make a cracking angle for various worthy locos. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium great northern Posted October 24, 2012 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted October 24, 2012 I agree you have come on really well with skies. In fact I'll bet you are looking forward to lesson 2.... Shadows and creating mountains.... Not ready to move on yet Larry, as yesterday taught me that I still have much to work out as regards the little I do know. For example, with a sky that is almost the same grey as the station roof, how do you manage to keep definition between the two? As to mountains, despite diligent research I can find no evidence of any around Peterborough. Not in the last few million years anyway. Shadows are another problem. The light coming into my room will always be strong, often very much so, which means it is always afternoon at my Peterborough, unless I go the artificial light route which I don't much like. Right, today is pencilled in for modelling, so it is time I got on with it. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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