RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted June 28, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 28, 2015 Risk assessment with ATC and 'authorities' along with that 'briefing'. A.R. Chy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gresley Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 Hi Gilbert, Good news about the new Hornby Pullmans, but why do they have to have white roofs ? All my pics of them during the BR period show black/dirty roofs/dark grey kin kdeeping with other coaching stock. Stuart Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium great northern Posted June 28, 2015 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted June 28, 2015 Hi Gilbert, Good news about the new Hornby Pullmans, but why do they have to have white roofs ? All my pics of them during the BR period show black/dirty roofs/dark grey kin kdeeping with other coaching stock. Stuart Presumably they are shown in ex works condition Stuart. It's what Hornby have always done with pullman cars. Better than the silver roofs they originally did , but the weathering paints will have to be employed before they get on PN. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium great northern Posted June 28, 2015 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted June 28, 2015 Right, last time you will see this image, I promise, but I just wanted to have one more go, using the advice I have been given. No attempt to photoshop properly, just a general impression. Is this what Coachmann and others were talikng about? 14 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigwordsmith Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 Gilbert, I just opened this picture up on my iPhone, and can only see two imperfections, which are the lamps on the front of the 9F. Apart from that, I Would be very hard pressed to tell it from the original. Outstanding! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold colin penfold Posted June 28, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 28, 2015 Today I went to what was part of the LNER at one time. There was a Beast there too, opposite the Loughborough Central signal box by the loco shed bridge and I spent several minutes seconds admiring it. A most enjoyable day out at the GCR (Loughborough) with some of those fine fellows from ANTB; to be recommended, especially the luncheon! Thanks Colin. Best laugh of the day.....someone had chartered a train for their weddiing reception. I was very tempted to stand outside the main coach and shout.......don't do it, but I think they already had (as it was the reception). Slight disappointment of the day......the wedding train had a 9F and we only had an Ivatt 2.6.0. I waved to Gilbert as I sped past on the A46 this morning and this afternoon. I think he was searching for best price Hornby K Pullmans and so he didn't notice.......... Cunning plan of the day......I avoided the A1 diversions and missed the traffic jams in Ollerton by using my duck flight knowledge of the hidden villages just west of the A1 and just north of Newark. Good thing to know about if you happen to use the A1 northbound north of Newark. Quackers. Here it is So far as I can see there are no birds using any of the posts in any of the pics I have in my collection. One blast of the safety valves and all that tooting and chiming of whistles would have also kept them well at bay. Hoorah! Quackers. or perhaps not 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Alister_G Posted June 28, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 28, 2015 Despite what Gilbert said about not adding bird lime, it looks as though he only needs to apply a slight touch of white to the capping piece of the pole though, to be prototypically correct, the arms look relatively unsoiled. Al. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Anotheran Posted June 29, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 29, 2015 Those pics also give a good scale for the birds... a starling about as long as an insulator but thinner, a wood pigeon about two and a half insulators. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gresley Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 Presumably they are shown in ex works condition Stuart. It's what Hornby have always done with pullman cars. Better than the silver roofs they originally did , but the weathering paints will have to be employed before they get on PN. Hi Gilbert, I only have plated side vehicles, and they all have dark grey roofs. As far as I know, the wooden bodied ones all have white roofs, so this is a departure for Hornby. I agree, it means the paint job for the roofs if they are to look realistic, certainly for the ECML formations.. I have one of the old,old,old ones with a silver roof. It is lost somewhere in the "underworld" beneath the layout !!! Stuart Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Popular Post great northern Posted June 29, 2015 Author RMweb Premium Popular Post Share Posted June 29, 2015 More work on the poles today - all have been shortened somewhat, most I think still not enough, but one I fear rather too much. I hope I am not to be confronted by an angry duck. He'll think of a way of lengthening it a bit, won't he?........ Anyway, a few more pics to show the present state of play. I'm sure you've had enough of that 9F, so here is a Northbound train for a change, the 4.15pm KX- Cleethorpes behind the usual Immingham B1. The poles are only temporarily in place by the way, and at least one succeeded in leaning over in the short time between my checking and the taking of the photo. I've come down to nearer rail level for this one, probably a better angle from which to assess the height issue. I admit that I couldn't face photoshopping the poles again, so no sky with this one, but they are nevertheless far less prominent. A nice shot of the south end of the roof, again copyright of and used with kind permission of Andrew C Ingram. The beast rises above the right hand side of the end screen, so I thought an attempt to recreate this shot would give a good idea if I got the height right. And clearly I haven't - too tall still. I didn't bother with the rather stern looking official marching down the platform ramp, no doubt to check Vic Fincham's photographic permit, as it is my train set, and so I don't need one. I do though need more dangly things under the roof, and why have I only now noticed that large post with the nice swan neck lamp on the left hand side? And why did I forget to crop it? I also had one more go at that forecourt shot. This confirms that the Beast is still a fair bit too tall,and needs more surgery, but to my eye at least the rest now look a lot better. What do you guys think? All opinions gratefully received. These glaring white skies don't do the posts any favours, particularly when I get bored with shopping them, but they do at least make them easy to see. The poles have by the way had a coat of paint, but no weathering yet, and are guano free. 21 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium New Haven Neil Posted June 29, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 29, 2015 (edited) I think you're just about there, Gilbert. A metric smidge lower maybe, not too much though! The pole with the swan neck lamp is a must...very characterful, and yes, a few more non-specific dangly things under the roof would be nice for the low shots. edit - oh, the pole has a spare screw coupling on it too! Edited June 29, 2015 by New Haven Neil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 Just that they were to high and overpowering, but I knew you would sus it out in the end. You said you couldn't be bothered Photoshopping around the poles, so I wondered what you thought of this..... 12 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Alister_G Posted June 29, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 29, 2015 Isn't it amazing the difference they make though? That last forecourt shot looks brilliant, the poles give it so much more... um... veracity? authenticity? even though they don't jump out at you anymore, they just make it look right. I agree the Beast is still a smidge high, but it's so close, it really is. Al. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigwordsmith Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 I think the poles make it look less of a model because most models stop about six inches above the ground - the Beast, Son of Beast , Grandson of Beast, Great Nephew-three-times-removed-by-marriage-of-Beast and so on, all blow that one of to the water which is why they really do make the scene come to life Great work Phil and Gilbert! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Blue Streak Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Looks pretty darn good from where I'm sitting. In that last series of pictures with the B1 in them, the whole scene has really "jumped" into life. It's just amazing the extra impact they have on it. They were possibly a bit high before, but they look spot on now. Any lower and I think they'd crowd the scene and get lost a bit. But what's important is how they look from an everyday operating viewpoint, if they look right - then they are right !!! I'm not sure if that last bit makes sense or not. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaz Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Excellent stuff - the low level shots really convincing (although you might want to do something about that gap under the end of the platform ramp). Chaz Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium great northern Posted June 30, 2015 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted June 30, 2015 Excellent stuff - the low level shots really convincing (although you might want to do something about that gap under the end of the platform ramp). Chaz There is a lot of work still to be done so far as getting things properly bedded in is concerned. Peter Leyland and I discuss it every time he visits, but I always find something else that needs to be done first. I agree entirely though with your comment - that gap does destroy any pretence of realism, and it must be dealt with...... soon I hope. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted June 30, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 30, 2015 I think some loose N gauge ballast would do the trick. Quackers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Richard E Posted June 30, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 30, 2015 (edited) It's obvious why the platform end is as it is, it is to allow that pole to be installed and then the fillet run in just like on the prototype (there is a band of lighter coloured cement or concrete across the bottom of the ramp in the picture). (edit, or even chippings as the Duck says - quack). Edited June 30, 2015 by Richard E Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNERGE Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Here it is beast 2.jpg or perhaps not beast 2 detail.jpg There were some interesting circuits up that pole too. I can't find documents immediately but for sure there was an LV - JO up there, several phantoms on the trunks and i'm almost certain an LV - to Manchester something or another. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted July 1, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 1, 2015 I had phantoms on my trunks once but I was arrested shortly afterwards. Q 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium great northern Posted July 1, 2015 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted July 1, 2015 I had phantoms on my trunks once but I was arrested shortly afterwards. Q I think you may be even more confused than usual. Ducks do not have trunks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigwordsmith Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 "LV to manchester..." - What's an insurance company doing on a telegraph pole? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNERGE Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 "LV to manchester..." - What's an insurance company doing on a telegraph pole?# LV = Liverpool St, London. (LNER Headquackers) That duck's started me off now. <G> 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigwordsmith Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 (edited) I always thought LNER HQ was at York and Liverpool St. was the old GER HQ - I suppose it made sense to move the executive down to London thereby being close to the levers of power at Westminster as well as the other big four companies. One of the things I love about this forum - you learn something new every day Edited July 1, 2015 by bigwordsmith Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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