Peterborough North

[FoxUnpopuli]

In absence of these:

 

 

Perhaps something like this?

 

https://www.amazon.co.uk/32-Inch-Portable-Translucent-Collapsible-Reflector/dp/B002ZIVKAE?ref_=s9_apbd_otopr_hd_bw_bMTrcd&pf_rd_r=K26ZNR3G0XAYKMBKMSN9&pf_rd_p=25ff2c88-9223-5434-8c53-2d11a0b861e8&pf_rd_s=merchandised-search-10&pf_rd_t=BROWSE&pf_rd_i=332197031

 

[FarrMan]

Gilbert

 

perhaps you should give these folk a ring - well recommended

 

https://www.mammoet.com/civil-construction/#special-transport-and-relocation

 

Lloyd

[great northern]

Slight problem folks. Mine is one of a block of five town houses.

[Clive Mortimore]

34 minutes ago, great northern said:

Slight problem folks. Mine is one of a block of five town houses.

Hi Glibert

 

Just tell your neighbours they will get more sunlight in their living rooms each day. I am sure they wouldn't mind.

[great northern]

1 hour ago, Clive Mortimore said:

Hi Glibert

 

Just tell your neighbours they will get more sunlight in their living rooms each day. I am sure they wouldn't mind.

I'd need to turn into a politician first, because I'd be economical with the truth if I told them that.

[great northern]

What's the point of having a lovely green engine if it is shown in black and white? That can be remedied quite swiftly.

 

 

 

Then to something very strange. I've said many times that I must resist the temptation to zoom, as the results always seem to be poor. So, if I put the camera several inches outside the overall roof at the North end, and shoot through the gloom to the A3, in bright light at the South end, and from that range just a dot on the horizon, I'm surely asking for trouble? That must mean that if I then give it full zoom, the result will be awful. However......

 

 

But we still get something growing out of the chimney.

[jwealleans]

That's some of the worst photoshopped smoke I've ever seen.

[great northern]

One last look at Prince of Wales.

 

 

 

After which the sun went in, and made my attempt to capture the 5.55 from Kings Lynn much more difficult.

 

 

This is pretty poor, but I spent a long time getting it to this state, so I wasn't going to bin it.

[westerner]

I think your being over critical again Gilbert.

[great northern]

1 hour ago, westerner said:

I think your being over critical again Gilbert.

Noted Alan. It is hard to break the habits of a lifetime though.

[great northern]

Stopping train time. 60109 has arrived with the 5.00pm ex KX. The HMRS journal survey shows  A3 haulage on two days, this A3 as it happens, plus one V2, one A2/2 and one A4. This was a train that split into Peterborough and Cambridge portions at Hitchin, and was double headed that far. I've seen photos of B1/B17 or two B1s, but I've only seen one image of a B1 double heading with an A4, so perhaps the HMRS picked an atypical week.

 

 

L1 67776 has had a much shorter trip, just the 29 miles from Grantham.

 

 

[thegreenhowards]

11 hours ago, great northern said:

Stopping train time. 60109 has arrived with the 5.00pm ex KX. The HMRS journal survey shows  A3 haulage on two days, this A3 as it happens, plus one V2, one A2/2 and one A4. This was a train that split into Peterborough and Cambridge portions at Hitchin, and was double headed that far. I've seen photos of B1/B17 or two B1s, but I've only seen one image of a B1 double heading with an A4, so perhaps the HMRS picked an atypical week.

 

 

 

 

Gilbert,

 

I’ve heard of the later splitting train (1752 from King’s Cross) being double headed, but I never realised this one was. Are your pictures definitely of the earlier train? If so, could you point me in the right direction?

 

Andy

[great northern]

1 hour ago, thegreenhowards said:

 

Gilbert,

 

I’ve heard of the later splitting train (1752 from King’s Cross) being double headed, but I never realised this one was. Are your pictures definitely of the earlier train? If so, could you point me in the right direction?

 

Andy

I wasn't altogether happy myself Andy, so I'll look into it again shortly. This could be either something misleading in the survey or a complete c*ck up by me. The odds may favour the latter, but we shall see.

[great northern]

Mundane occurrences this morning. The L1 has finished its journey, and is waiting the signal to remove the empty stock. The N5 is heading for the stock of Hermit's train, which it will also remove to the carriage sidings.

 

 

 

Soon afterwards, the N5 is already on its way, while a J6 rolls along the Down slow with the Holme pick up, which is very lightly loaded today.

 

 

[great northern]

The odds were correctly calculated. I looked at the HMRS survey to find which locos worked the 5.00pm, saw that it split at Hitchin, put two and two together, and made five. I just confused it with the 5.52...... I think.  It does seem clear that both trains had portions for Cambridge and Peterborough, according to both HMRS and the carriage workings book, but presumably the 5.00pm left the Cambridge portion at Hitchin, where another loco backed on to that portion, and took in onward.

 

There is just one more interesting thing though. In Peter Coster's Book of the Great Nothern part 1, at page 109, there is a photo of a train at Harringay, double headed by B1 61093, a Hitchin engine, and A4 60025, which is the train engine. Coster's caption says that the photo "has him beaten", as the only regular double heading on the southern area was on the 5.52pm, which he says "would normally involve neither loco." Pacifics, he says "were only double headed in emergency, usually with much smaller locos, and certainly not away from the main depot".

 

All of which really just draws attention away from another Gilbert senior moment. Sorry for the confusion Andy.

[great northern]

The Holme pick up  slows to the almost inevitable stop at the end of the Down slow.

 

 

 

and the 6.10 Leeds appears, Kittiwake ready for the stop here.

 

 

Not the usual West Riding type of formation, as we shall see.

 

 

 

 

End door SKs instead of the usual all door variety. Three brakes, all different types, and a couple of Thompson CKs. But no catering, as this is a Fridays only relief.

[robmcg]

Superb lighting in that J6 photo !  Must be summer....  (1st day of Autumn here in NZ)   Cheers.

[davidw]

1 hour ago, great northern said:

The Holme pick up  slows to the almost inevitable stop at the end of the Down slow.

 

 

 

and the 6.10 Leeds appears, Kittiwake ready for the stop here.

 

 

Not the usual West Riding type of formation, as we shall see.

 

 

 

 

End door SKs instead of the usual all door variety. Three brakes, all different types, and a couple of Thompson CKs. But no catering, as this is a Fridays only relief.

Would it be fair to say most reliefs would be made up of pre-mk1 stock (bar catering)?

[great northern]

11 minutes ago, davidw said:

Would it be fair to say most reliefs would be made up of pre-mk1 stock (bar catering)?

Most of the Newcastle/ Scottish reliefs seem to have been made up of end door stock, and it isn't shown as being MK1 in the official book. Conversely, most of the West Riding trains are shown as all door stock, again not MK1. BSK(4) on the East Coast trains, but BSK(3) on the  West Riding ones.  The trouble is of course that there are a number of exceptions to both of those basic principles, and it sems to have been fairly rare for the actual formations to match up to what the book says, except for the prestige seat reservation trains.

[great northern]

Today we have some sunshine, and it is forecast to last all day. We shall see. In fact as I type, the sun has gone in. No, its out again.

 

Our featured train is the Heart of Midlothian, with 60111 Enterprise. I think our man has found a safe place to stand about halfway up Spital Bridge coaling stage to take the first one.

 

 

Not sure where we got to to take the next one though. It isn't from ground level.

 

 

[thegreenhowards]

10 hours ago, great northern said:

Most of the Newcastle/ Scottish reliefs seem to have been made up of end door stock, and it isn't shown as being MK1 in the official book. Conversely, most of the West Riding trains are shown as all door stock, again not MK1. BSK(4) on the East Coast trains, but BSK(3) on the  West Riding ones.  The trouble is of course that there are a number of exceptions to both of those basic principles, and it sems to have been fairly rare for the actual formations to match up to what the book says, except for the prestige seat reservation trains.

Gilbert,

 

I love your Gresley and Thompson stock - it looks very elegant.

 

‘Q’ and, to a lessor extent, FO trains were there to serve the demand on the day. And in this era the railway still had lots of spare stock to make up trains as required. So, from looking at photos and educated guesswork, I suspect that such trains rarely followed the carriage workings, but were made up from what was available to serve the need (and any return working). For modelling, the best bet is probably to copy photographs, but I can rarely work out what is beyond the first 2 or 3 carriages. I suspect that your end door Newcastle/ side door Leeds rule is more of a bias than a 100% rule and that trains would have a mix of all types of stock with a bias towards LNER designs.

 

Andy

[great northern]

17 minutes ago, thegreenhowards said:

Gilbert,

 

I love your Gresley and Thompson stock - it looks very elegant.

 

‘Q’ and, to a lessor extent, FO trains were there to serve the demand on the day. And in this era the railway still had lots of spare stock to make up trains as required. So, from looking at photos and educated guesswork, I suspect that such trains rarely followed the carriage workings, but were made up from what was available to serve the need (and any return working). For modelling, the best bet is probably to copy photographs, but I can rarely work out what is beyond the first 2 or 3 carriages. I suspect that your end door Newcastle/ side door Leeds rule is more of a bias than a 100% rule and that trains would have a mix of all types of stock with a bias towards LNER designs.

 

Andy

I am rapidly reaching the same conclusion Andy. I find increasingly that if I do something "right", according to the books, it is likely in practice to be wrong! That is actually turning out to be quite helpful when I find, for example, a coupling glitch.

 

There does seem possibly to be a bit of logic in the allocation of all door and end door stock though. The West Riding trains tended to have more stops, for which all door cars were preferred. I suppose three compartment brakes instead of four might also have been just to provide more seating on those stopping services.

[thegreenhowards]

5 minutes ago, great northern said:

I am rapidly reaching the same conclusion Andy. I find increasingly that if I do something "right", according to the books, it is likely in practice to be wrong! That is actually turning out to be quite helpful when I find, for example, a coupling glitch.

 

There does seem possibly to be a bit of logic in the allocation of all door and end door stock though. The West Riding trains tended to have more stops, for which all door cars were preferred. I suppose three compartment brakes instead of four might also have been just to provide more seating on those stopping services.

I agree except that I’m not sure how three compartments have more seats than four! I suspect that 3 compartment brakes were on their way out and cascaded to less important services. They featured on Cambridge King’s Cross outer suburban trains in the late ‘50s.

[great northern]

1 hour ago, thegreenhowards said:

I agree except that I’m not sure how three compartments have more seats than four! I suspect that 3 compartment brakes were on their way out and cascaded to less important services. They featured on Cambridge King’s Cross outer suburban trains in the late ‘50s.

Ah! I'm glad you spotted that, Pike.

[great northern]

We haven't seen a Claud for a while, so to see this one posed at Platform 6 is a treat. It has only come up from East, and will no doubt be bound for Spital shed.

 

 

There's another A3 coimng into view under Crescent Bridge as well.

 

 

One of the rare offerings with no photoshopping whatsoever.